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Postby Death Metal » Tue Nov 19, 2013 11:33 am

Distruzio wrote:If the head of State is elected, then it's a democracy. Period.


Except when it comes to countries like the UK where the official head of state has no real power and the actual head of government is elected, you mean.
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Postby Distruzio » Tue Nov 19, 2013 11:38 am

Death Metal wrote:
Distruzio wrote:If the head of State is elected, then it's a democracy. Period.


Except when it comes to countries like the UK where the official head of state has no real power and the actual head of government is elected, you mean.


You didn't contradict me. The UK is included in my statement. The UK is not a democracy.
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Postby Person012345 » Tue Nov 19, 2013 11:44 am

Distruzio wrote:
Person012345 wrote:Authoritarian democracies are democracies although If they have to exercise their authoritarianism too much they're probably not all that democratic. I mean you could have a technically authoritarian democracy I guess. I'd say it depends what kind of constitutional monarchy, not all constitutional monarchies have elections.

However, by your definition, single party states can be democracies.


Indeed. Because they are democracies. They just aren't liberal democracies. I don't play the scotsman tune.

No they aren't democracies because the people have no say in the political process. Which is what democracies are. There's a difference between the "no true scotsman" fallacy and saying that someone who has absolutely no connection to scotland is not a scotsman. If you're going to go that extreme then literally any form of government ever is a democracy so long as someone claims it is.

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Postby Person012345 » Tue Nov 19, 2013 11:45 am

Distruzio wrote:
Death Metal wrote:
Except when it comes to countries like the UK where the official head of state has no real power and the actual head of government is elected, you mean.


You didn't contradict me. The UK is included in my statement. The UK is not a democracy.

Yes, it is. You've made up a stupid definition of democracy that is not applicable in any way and noone else uses. Well done. Did you know that Any country that elects it's head of state is a potato. The United States is a potato but the UK is not.

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Postby Divair » Tue Nov 19, 2013 11:46 am

Distruzio wrote:
Death Metal wrote:
Except when it comes to countries like the UK where the official head of state has no real power and the actual head of government is elected, you mean.


You didn't contradict me. The UK is included in my statement. The UK is not a democracy.

That's an insanely strange definition.

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Postby Death Metal » Tue Nov 19, 2013 11:48 am

Distruzio wrote:
Death Metal wrote:
Except when it comes to countries like the UK where the official head of state has no real power and the actual head of government is elected, you mean.


You didn't contradict me. The UK is included in my statement. The UK is not a democracy.


Even though it's true head of state (IE the Prime Minister) and it's parliament (IE... the Parliament) are elected?
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Postby Distruzio » Tue Nov 19, 2013 11:59 am

Person012345 wrote:
Distruzio wrote:
You didn't contradict me. The UK is included in my statement. The UK is not a democracy.

Yes, it is. You've made up a stupid definition of democracy that is not applicable in any way and noone else uses. Well done. Did you know that Any country that elects it's head of state is a potato. The United States is a potato but the UK is not.



One does not follow the other.

A definition you dont like isnt stupid. Its unliked.
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Postby Distruzio » Tue Nov 19, 2013 12:00 pm

Death Metal wrote:
Distruzio wrote:
You didn't contradict me. The UK is included in my statement. The UK is not a democracy.


Even though it's true head of state (IE the Prime Minister) and it's parliament (IE... the Parliament) are elected?



The Prime Minister is not the head of State.
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Postby Death Metal » Tue Nov 19, 2013 12:01 pm

Distruzio wrote:
Death Metal wrote:
Even though it's true head of state (IE the Prime Minister) and it's parliament (IE... the Parliament) are elected?



The Prime Minister is not the head of State.


Not officially, but in practice? Yes.

Hell, officially, there is no Prime Minister.
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Postby Distruzio » Tue Nov 19, 2013 12:01 pm

Divair wrote:
Distruzio wrote:
You didn't contradict me. The UK is included in my statement. The UK is not a democracy.

That's an insanely strange definition.


Doesnt make it untrue. No matter how loudly the fanatical democratists rant.
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Postby Duvniask » Tue Nov 19, 2013 12:03 pm

Distruzio wrote:
Person012345 wrote:Yes, it is. You've made up a stupid definition of democracy that is not applicable in any way and noone else uses. Well done. Did you know that Any country that elects it's head of state is a potato. The United States is a potato but the UK is not.



One does not follow the other.

A definition you dont like isnt stupid. Its unliked.

Actually yes, it kinda is. You're not to decide what others find "stupid".
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Postby Distruzio » Tue Nov 19, 2013 12:07 pm

Duvniask wrote:
Distruzio wrote:

One does not follow the other.

A definition you dont like isnt stupid. Its unliked.

Actually yes, it kinda is. You're not to decide what others find "stupid".



The irony is thick.
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Postby The Holy NeoSpanish Empire » Tue Nov 19, 2013 12:07 pm

Distruzio wrote:
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democracies find difficult to control public order ( especially in crisis time)


How would you measure this "public order"?


laws musnt be soft , criminal must have the right pusnishment , something that advices the other to not to do it , laws must be strong , we dont have to let every party that enters the goverment changing it , it must be a firm thing , and enforced . resumed, democracies must enforce security if they want to continue existing

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Postby Duvniask » Tue Nov 19, 2013 12:09 pm

Distruzio wrote:
Duvniask wrote:Actually yes, it kinda is. You're not to decide what others find "stupid".



The irony is thick.

With what?

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Postby Distruzio » Tue Nov 19, 2013 12:10 pm

Duvniask wrote:
Distruzio wrote:

The irony is thick.

With what?



With youre statement chastizing me for reminding him that stupid isnt what one doesnt like.
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Postby Person012345 » Tue Nov 19, 2013 12:10 pm

Distruzio wrote:
Person012345 wrote:Yes, it is. You've made up a stupid definition of democracy that is not applicable in any way and noone else uses. Well done. Did you know that Any country that elects it's head of state is a potato. The United States is a potato but the UK is not.



One does not follow the other.

A definition you dont like isnt stupid. Its unliked.

Like I said initially - it's a terrible definition. It's terrible because language is used to communicate ideas and your use of it here doesn't communicate anything. You might as well use potato because people will know what you mean just as well. Your definition has no basis in it's usage historically or now and doesn't even make etymological sense. It's a terrible definition.

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Postby Duvniask » Tue Nov 19, 2013 12:15 pm

Distruzio wrote:
Duvniask wrote:With what?



With your statement chastizing me for reminding him that stupid isnt what one doesnt like.

How, because it was pointless? Them not liking it, is precisely because they find it to be stupid, no?
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