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Is the Democrats or Republicans Better for Disabled Folks?

Postby The Apocalyptic Order of Destruction » Thu Oct 31, 2013 1:27 pm

I am wondering which Party has been more instrumental in passing laws and making things easier on Disabled folks. I personally like the Democrats because the Republicans seem more like Ebeenezer Scrooge to me. But I am open minded, and willl look at facts. Which party has an advatageous platform is farf as we are concerned?

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Postby The Serbian Empire » Thu Oct 31, 2013 1:56 pm

I would have to say it's the Democrats, but even they aren't a good party but rather the least of the two menaces for the most part in that event.
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Postby Indira » Thu Oct 31, 2013 2:22 pm

Democrats. They seem to be better in terms of welfare, healthcare and discrimination.

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Postby Saiwania » Thu Oct 31, 2013 2:25 pm

If you want government assistance, then vote Democrat. But if you think you can do just fine on your own and instead want fewer taxes and more money in your wallet, then Republicans are for you.
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Postby Alpacas » Thu Oct 31, 2013 2:29 pm

Saiwania wrote:If you want government assistance, then vote Democrat. But if you think you can do just fine on your own and instead want fewer taxes and more money in your wallet, then Republicans are for you.

Money in your wallet you'll spend to deal with your disability, which would otherwise be covered by government assistance.

Your wallet money will probably be pretty constant if you need consistent assistance and guidance, depending on your disability.
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Postby Ashmoria » Thu Oct 31, 2013 2:30 pm

The Apocalyptic Order of Destruction wrote:I am wondering which Party has been more instrumental in passing laws and making things easier on Disabled folks. I personally like the Democrats because the Republicans seem more like Ebeenezer Scrooge to me. But I am open minded, and willl look at facts. Which party has an advatageous platform is farf as we are concerned?


i am a great believer in "what have they done for me lately" politics. it doesnt matter what a party has done in the past so much as what they are doing now, what they propose doing in the future and how what they are doing now suggests whether or not they are going to be able or willing to do what they propose for the future.

so, democrats
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Postby Byzantium Imperial » Thu Oct 31, 2013 2:32 pm

Democrats=Massive welfare programs and entitlements that cost alot of money in the longrun and are probably unsustainable.

Republicans=minimal and more sustainable welfare programs that have quite a few holes.



Neither party is really good, unless your elderly, in which case the democrats provide the best bet (you dont have to bear the future economic burden)
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Postby Alpacas » Thu Oct 31, 2013 2:37 pm

Byzantium Imperial wrote:Democrats=Massive welfare programs and entitlements that cost alot of money in the longrun and are probably unsustainable.

Republicans=minimal and more sustainable welfare programs that have quite a few holes.



Neither party is really good, unless your elderly, in which case the democrats provide the best bet (you dont have to bear the future economic burden)

Your concept of "massive" is tiny compared to several European countries.

But America does have a love for hyperbole.
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Postby Tsuntion » Thu Oct 31, 2013 2:39 pm

Saiwania wrote:If you want government assistance, then vote Democrat. But if you think you can do just fine on your own and instead want fewer taxes and more money in your wallet, then Republicans are for you.


Money that you can't earn as well because you're disabled...
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Postby Quintium » Thu Oct 31, 2013 2:40 pm

Neither. Republicans and Democrats are two sides of the same coin. But as long as voters keep getting tricked into voting for them, they'll keep getting away with it.
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Postby Jocabia » Thu Oct 31, 2013 2:57 pm

If you're super rich, the Republicans are for you. Otherwise, I'd go with Democrats.

If Republicans had their way, you wouldn't be able to get insurance, businesses would be allowed to discriminate against you, you'd have no social safety net to support you, and if you did, you'd have to jump through massive hoops with great frequency to be eligible for it.

To paraphrase Grover Norquist, who most Republicans sign a pledge for, the government needs to be small enough to drown in a bathtub. In other words, the modern Republican party has no room for the kind of support a disabled person needs to compete on equal grounds with able-bodied people.

It's the party of "I already got mine". If you do, great. If you don't, then I wouldn't recommend supporting them.
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Postby European Socialist Republic » Thu Oct 31, 2013 3:43 pm

Republicans, of course. Disabled people shouldn't be entitled to a living, they should pull themselves up by their own bootstraps! What's that? Your disability prevents you from working? Moocher! You're just being lazy.
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Postby Siaos » Thu Oct 31, 2013 3:45 pm

European Socialist Republic wrote:Republicans, of course. Disabled people shouldn't be entitled to a living, they should pull themselves up by their own bootstraps! What's that? Your disability prevents you from working? Moocher! You're just being lazy.

Please tell me thats not what you believe or you are exageratting.
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Postby Frisivisia » Thu Oct 31, 2013 3:50 pm

Byzantium Imperial wrote:Democrats=Massive welfare programs and entitlements that cost alot of money in the longrun and are probably unsustainable.

Republicans=minimal and more sustainable welfare programs that have quite a few holes.



Neither party is really good, unless your elderly, in which case the democrats provide the best bet (you dont have to bear the future economic burden)

It's not that much, it's completely sustainable, and it's all entirely necessary for the continuation and betterment of society.

You don't understand economics or politics and that's blatantly and painfully obvious from this post. Educate yourself.
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Postby European Socialist Republic » Thu Oct 31, 2013 3:50 pm

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European Socialist Republic wrote:Republicans, of course. Disabled people shouldn't be entitled to a living, they should pull themselves up by their own bootstraps! What's that? Your disability prevents you from working? Moocher! You're just being lazy.

Please tell me thats not what you believe or you are exageratting.

That's what I really believe. You don't? Why must you be a Pinko-fascist-socialist-commie-tree-hugging-hippie-nazi who hates American freedom?!
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Postby Siaos » Thu Oct 31, 2013 3:52 pm

European Socialist Republic wrote:
Siaos wrote:Please tell me thats not what you believe or you are exageratting.

That's what I really believe. You don't? Why must you be a fascist-socialist-commie-hippie-nazi who hates American freedom?!

You forgot to add Pinko and tree-hugging
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Postby European Socialist Republic » Thu Oct 31, 2013 3:55 pm

Siaos wrote:
European Socialist Republic wrote:That's what I really believe. You don't? Why must you be a fascist-socialist-commie-hippie-nazi who hates American freedom?!

You forgot to add Pinko and tree-hugging

There, edited. Better now?
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Postby Siaos » Thu Oct 31, 2013 4:15 pm

European Socialist Republic wrote:
Siaos wrote:You forgot to add Pinko and tree-hugging

There, edited. Better now?

Much better. I am definantly going to try to use that insult in the future.
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Postby European Socialist Republic » Thu Oct 31, 2013 4:22 pm

Siaos wrote:
European Socialist Republic wrote:There, edited. Better now?

Much better. I am definantly going to try to use that insult in the future.

No! You can't "redistribute" my jokes!
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Postby Geilinor » Thu Oct 31, 2013 4:55 pm

I'd say the Democrats because of their views on discrimination, healthcare and social welfare.
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Postby Especially Dirty Hippies » Thu Oct 31, 2013 5:09 pm

In the US, in about two years the trust fund for Social Security Disability will be depleted (although funds could be shifted from Social Security Retirement to cover it for a while, I'm told).

I'm guessing a Democrat-style solution would be to extend the payroll tax on Social Security to the higher income levels (right now, only the first $107,000 or so of income is taxed for social security, income above that is not) and that would probably make the system solvent for the forseeable future, at a cost to people making six figures or more.

A Republican style solution would be to say that people on disability are faking, and make massive cuts, resulting in increases of homeless disabled people, particularly mentally ill, but putting no further cost on people making six figures or more.
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Siaos wrote:Much better. I am definantly going to try to use that insult in the future.

No! You can't "redistribute" my jokes!


Sorry, you seem quite rich in jokes, we're taking 40% of them..

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Postby Olthar » Thu Oct 31, 2013 5:30 pm

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Clearly, the bigger problem here is the ruination of the English language than whatever problems the disabled may or may not have.
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Postby Reynes of Castamere » Thu Oct 31, 2013 5:34 pm

I do not speak English. I speak American. :p

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Postby Union Of Canadorian Socialists Republic » Thu Oct 31, 2013 6:17 pm

The best things for a disabled person are runflat, offroad wheel chair tires! :P

Jokes aside, the best party is the one that the person can most relate to.
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