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Postby New Octopucta » Wed Oct 02, 2013 8:09 pm

Sibator wrote:You'd think after the ZS scandal the mod team would slam down on what Parkus has brought up hard.

It's mystifying how someone could definitely admit to thinking that there's no problem with having sex with kids and dance around whether he personally has sex with kids as a defense of his previous posts on the topic and in a moderation thread and get off with a warning.

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Postby The Waking Dreams Foundation » Wed Oct 02, 2013 8:09 pm

Sibator wrote:You'd think after the ZS scandal the mod team would slam down on what Parkus has brought up hard.

Argh. No. I do not want this to turn into Parkus's thread part 2 and get locked. This thread is actually somewhat constructive. Please do not change that.
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Postby Vitaphone Racing » Wed Oct 02, 2013 8:10 pm

New Octopucta wrote:
Sibator wrote:You'd think after the ZS scandal the mod team would slam down on what Parkus has brought up hard.

It's mystifying how someone could definitely admit to thinking that there's no problem with having sex with kids and dance around whether he personally has sex with kids as a defense of his previous posts on the topic and in a moderation thread and get off with a warning.

The warning was for the first post. AFAIK, they're still discussing it.
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Postby Delmonte » Wed Oct 02, 2013 8:11 pm

As advised by a member of Moderation, I have posted my ideas along with reasons why I believe they ought to be implemented. Please, please, please do not post in the Moderation thread. Think of it as a read only. If you wish to discuss them, please do so here or with me in private.

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Postby Sibator » Wed Oct 02, 2013 8:11 pm

New Octopucta wrote:
Sibator wrote:You'd think after the ZS scandal the mod team would slam down on what Parkus has brought up hard.

It's mystifying how someone could definitely admit to thinking that there's no problem with having sex with kids and dance around whether he personally has sex with kids as a defense of his previous posts on the topic and in a moderation thread and get off with a warning.

Yeah, that is pretty bad.

I mean, he had a defense going for him until he tried to defend himself on the thread, and I honestly can't see how anything weaker than a DEAT is appropriate. NS should not establish this kind of a reputation.
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Postby Blazedtown » Wed Oct 02, 2013 8:11 pm

New Octopucta wrote:
Sibator wrote:You'd think after the ZS scandal the mod team would slam down on what Parkus has brought up hard.

It's mystifying how someone could definitely admit to thinking that there's no problem with having sex with kids and dance around whether he personally has sex with kids as a defense of his previous posts on the topic and in a moderation thread and get off with a warning.


They've always protected pedophiles. I've been here off and on since 2006 and back on the old jolt forum I got banned for calling them monsters. Not one of these one or three day bans you kids deal with. I got 2 weeks for that shit.
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Postby The Waking Dreams Foundation » Wed Oct 02, 2013 8:12 pm

New Octopucta wrote:
Sibator wrote:You'd think after the ZS scandal the mod team would slam down on what Parkus has brought up hard.

It's mystifying how someone could definitely admit to thinking that there's no problem with having sex with kids and dance around whether he personally has sex with kids as a defense of his previous posts on the topic and in a moderation thread and get off with a warning.

They have not yet addressed that post. Now can we stop the threadjacking.

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Postby New Octopucta » Wed Oct 02, 2013 8:12 pm

Vitaphone Racing wrote:The warning was for the first post. AFAIK, they're still discussing it.

The moderation thread has been locked and the case declared closed barring more concrete evidence.

The Waking Dreams Foundation wrote:They have not yet addressed that post. Now can we stop the threadjacking.

Pseudo-edit: Ninjad.

Remove the yet from that sentence and it would be accurate. And I think this is an entirely legitimate criticism. Action here shouldn't require these guys to spam moderation with posts about how much they enjoy committing rape.
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Postby Blasveck » Wed Oct 02, 2013 8:13 pm

Vitaphone Racing wrote:
New Octopucta wrote:It's mystifying how someone could definitely admit to thinking that there's no problem with having sex with kids and dance around whether he personally has sex with kids as a defense of his previous posts on the topic and in a moderation thread and get off with a warning.

The warning was for the first post. AFAIK, they're still discussing it.


Nope.

Go to the thread in Moderation.

There's apparently "no evidence"
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Postby Fartsniffage » Wed Oct 02, 2013 8:15 pm

New Octopucta wrote:
Vitaphone Racing wrote:The warning was for the first post. AFAIK, they're still discussing it.

The moderation thread has been locked and the case declared closed barring more concrete evidence.


More concrete than declaring it in a thread in moderation?

Do they need to see him jacking off to a pic of a naked 13 year old?

Fuck I'm pissed off right now. Not even a direct answer to the question I asked in that thread before it was locked.

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Postby Sibator » Wed Oct 02, 2013 8:18 pm

Blasveck wrote:
Vitaphone Racing wrote:The warning was for the first post. AFAIK, they're still discussing it.


Nope.

Go to the thread in Moderation.

There's apparently "no evidence"

His own defense is evidence enough. He admitted to it on the moderation thread, how much more guilty can he get?
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Postby New Octopucta » Wed Oct 02, 2013 8:19 pm

Sibator wrote:
His own defense is evidence enough. He admitted to it on the moderation thread, how much more guilty can he get?

I think that's what the quotation marks were supposed to indicate.
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Postby Neoconstantius » Wed Oct 02, 2013 8:19 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
New Octopucta wrote:The moderation thread has been locked and the case declared closed barring more concrete evidence.


More concrete than declaring it in a thread in moderation?

Do they need to see him jacking off to a pic of a naked 13 year old?

Fuck I'm pissed off right now. Not even a direct answer to the question I asked in that thread before it was locked.

I agree that Cameroi should certainly receive more than a minor slap on the wrist for the extensive pattern of criminality that's been demonstrated in that thread. But what are you pissed about, the mods? [violet] made the ruling. Can't get much higher than that.
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Postby Vitaphone Racing » Wed Oct 02, 2013 8:19 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
New Octopucta wrote:The moderation thread has been locked and the case declared closed barring more concrete evidence.


More concrete than declaring it in a thread in moderation?

Do they need to see him jacking off to a pic of a naked 13 year old?

Fuck I'm pissed off right now. Not even a direct answer to the question I asked in that thread before it was locked.

I concur. Especially when I thought the discussion of philias involving illegal activity was forbidden after that 1000 Cats incident.
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Postby Sibator » Wed Oct 02, 2013 8:21 pm

New Octopucta wrote:
Sibator wrote:
His own defense is evidence enough. He admitted to it on the moderation thread, how much more guilty can he get?

I think that's what the quotation marks were supposed to indicate.

I know, I was agreeing with his sarcasm.
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Postby New Octopucta » Wed Oct 02, 2013 8:21 pm

Neoconstantius wrote:What are you pissed about, the mods? [violet] made the ruling. Can't get much higher than that.

The issue is that the mods and the person who is basically a step down from Max Barry got together and decided that a warning was sufficient punishment. For some of us, that is a huge fucking issue.

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Postby Sibator » Wed Oct 02, 2013 8:23 pm

New Octopucta wrote:
Neoconstantius wrote:What are you pissed about, the mods? [violet] made the ruling. Can't get much higher than that.

The issue is that the mods and the person who is basically a step down from Max Barry got together and decided that a warning was sufficient punishment. For some of us, that is a huge fucking issue.

Honestly, it would be better for NS to develop a reputation of being harsh on these sorts of things, then to establish a reputation of protecting criminals.
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Postby Dread Lady Nathicana » Wed Oct 02, 2013 8:32 pm

Look, folks. No one is protecting any fething pedophiles here. No one wants to. In fact, it's a goram sore spot with a number of us. You're making a bunch of accusations based on emotional responses rather than outright proof - which is something you all demand in your debates here. Proof. Not suspicion, not an inkling of, proof. And that's how we have to deal with matters on the site as well - which means the next time one of you gets accused of something that isn't correct, we don't come down like a ton of bricks just because someone else interpreted something you said the wrong way.

Cameroi has been told in no uncertain terms what is not acceptable on this site, and why. We have also stated clearly to all of you that if there is ANY further DEFINITIVE proof of illegal activity, we will act on it. At this time, all we have are vague and often confusing statements regarding a support for allowing younger kids the benefit of the doubt concerning their own sexuality. Not an admission of child porn or anything else, however much you may want to see it. Mob action is not now, nor has it ever been, an appropriate avenue for getting real justice. and that is exactly what this is degenerating into.

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