Brown gives out Driver Licences to Illegal Immigrants

[Shofercia]

So they make the line visible.

The line is still invisible they just built shit on it.

If I draw a line, you cannot see it from far away. If I build a wall on said line, you can see the wall. Ditto for fence. Ditto for other, visible, border markings.

[Zepplien]

Illegal immigrants came in illegally and now they want driver licenses? This is a slap in the face to all law abiding citizens and of course the immigrants that worked hard to come in legally. Stop giving illegals more incentives to jump the border.

Why not? They're human beings who need to drive too, such as to the grocery store, to school, or the movies.

Not to mention that it assumes that all legal immigrants work hard to get in, and all illegals are lazy. Most people become illegal immigrants by overstaying their visa. Becoming a US citizen is incredibly difficult for most people, who don't have a recommendation by a US employer, nor any family that are American citizens.

Becoming a legal immigrant is quite easy if you possess a spouse that's an American citizen, but much more difficult if you're self-employed. For example, my uncle, who runs a rather well-to-do restaurant chain here in the United States, has been unable to obtain a green card as no employer will recommend him (he's his own employer, and he can't recommend himself, and it's not like he's going to fire everyone and sell the restaurants he owns to possibly get a green card), so has to go to Korea every few years to renew his visa. Although he can't recommend himself despite being an employer, he can still get his employees to obtain green cards by recommending them.

On the other hand, most illegal immigrants (especially the ones who cross the border) are in poverty, with a poor education and unable to work as a skilled laborer.

Perhaps America should instead make becoming a US citizen even remotely possible for most people first.

America is overpopulated and low on work anyway, so what motivation could their possibly be to let more people in legally.

I personally think all illegals need to be deported if they are found, not offered drivers licenses, and my father started as an Illegal immigrant. (English)

[Mushet]

The line is still invisible they just built shit on it.

If I draw a line, you cannot see it from far away. If I build a wall on said line, you can see the wall. Ditto for fence. Ditto for other, visible, border markings.

The line is invisible in the first place, don't matter of you put stuff on it, the line is still invisible and the walls become the visible border markings.

[Shofercia]

If I draw a line, you cannot see it from far away. If I build a wall on said line, you can see the wall. Ditto for fence. Ditto for other, visible, border markings.

The line is invisible in the first place, don't matter of you put stuff on it, the line is still invisible and the walls become the visible border markings.

Look, in the society that we live in today, borders matter, irrespective of whether you can see the actual line or not. By line, I was referring to border markings, i.e. things that mark the border line.

[Mushet]

The line is invisible in the first place, don't matter of you put stuff on it, the line is still invisible and the walls become the visible border markings.

Look, in the society that we live in today, borders matter, irrespective of whether you can see the actual line or not. By line, I was referring to border markings, i.e. things that mark the border line.

I never said they didn't, all I said that the line is invisible, I don't really recognize the US-Mexico border as a very legitimate one, more an imposed colonial border, I never acted like it doesn't matter, of course it matters, it's dividing indigenous nations, it's dividing communities, it justifies the profiling of minorities and other abuses by the border patrol and similar agencies.

[Ifreann]

I think it's stupid for citizens of a settler colonial state to complain about "illegal" immigrants coming in. America was built by illegally going into other nations, difference here is there is a lot less murder, theft and crimes against humanity involved when Mexicans cross that invisible line.

The line ain't invisible. It's very clearly marked. Heck, US and Canada mark their border...

Only at border crossings.

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There's a fence, there's a river and then there's the invisible line that they're on.

So they make the line visible.

How? Why?

[Farnhamia]

The line ain't invisible. It's very clearly marked. Heck, US and Canada mark their border...

Only at border crossings.

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So they make the line visible.

How? Why?

[Ifreann]

Only at border crossings.

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How? Why?

You're gonna need a lot more paint than that. And you'll need a lot of cheap labour to paint the whole Mexican-American border.

[Frisivisia]

You're gonna need a lot more paint than that. And you'll need a lot of cheap labour to paint the whole Mexican-American border.

We'll make the Mexicans paint it, but they have to stand on the Mexico side of the line. Done.

[Chernoslavia]

So for Brown, its wrong for Americans to own sporting rifles, but its okay to give out driver's license to illegals.

If we had to get rid of one state, it should be California.

I think it's stupid for citizens of a settler colonial state to complain about "illegal" immigrants coming in. America was built by illegally going into other nations, difference here is there is a lot less murder, theft and crimes against humanity involved when Mexicans cross that invisible line.

Well, back in the colonial times immigration was legal as nobody really cared much nor has regulation for it have ever been thought of. As for less murder I disagree, Im not saying all mexicans illegally migrating are potential criminals, but there have been clashes between border patrols and narco gangs trying to smuggle drugs into the US.

[Shofercia]

The line ain't invisible. It's very clearly marked. Heck, US and Canada mark their border...

Only at border crossings.

Then they have many, many, many border crossings

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMkYlIA7mgw

[Chernoslavia]

I didnt say anything about hunting.

Aren't sporting rifles for hunting?

Regardless, people need driver's licenses to drive.

1. Obviously not, sporting rifles (keyword: sporting) are for sporting purposes such as target shooting. If it were made for hunting it would be a hunting/varmint rifle.

2. As for driver's license yes of course we need one to legally drive. What's your point?

[Mushet]

I think it's stupid for citizens of a settler colonial state to complain about "illegal" immigrants coming in. America was built by illegally going into other nations, difference here is there is a lot less murder, theft and crimes against humanity involved when Mexicans cross that invisible line.

Well, back in the colonial times immigration was legal as nobody really cared much nor has regulation for it have ever been thought of. As for less murder I disagree, Im not saying all mexicans illegally migrating are potential criminals, but there have been clashes between border patrols and narco gangs trying to smuggle drugs into the US.

Stealing and illegally occupying the land of indigenous nations wasn't legal nor was it more peaceful than Mexicans crossing an invisible line into land that really shouldn't have belonged to America in the first place.

[Zepplien]

Well, back in the colonial times immigration was legal as nobody really cared much nor has regulation for it have ever been thought of. As for less murder I disagree, Im not saying all mexicans illegally migrating are potential criminals, but there have been clashes between border patrols and narco gangs trying to smuggle drugs into the US.

Stealing and illegally occupying the land of indigenous nations wasn't legal nor was it more peaceful than Mexicans crossing an invisible line into land that really shouldn't have belonged to America in the first place.

I think the German, Dutch, British, French, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, Belgian, and Japanese Empires of the times would like to have a word with you

[Mushet]

Stealing and illegally occupying the land of indigenous nations wasn't legal nor was it more peaceful than Mexicans crossing an invisible line into land that really shouldn't have belonged to America in the first place.

I think the German, Dutch, British, French, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, Belgian, and Japanese Empires of the times would like to have a word with you

If you make a trety you honor it, if you don't that's interneational law, and in the case of the US was illegal in the nation due to Article 6 of the constitution.

[Libertarian California]

I think the German, Dutch, British, French, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, Belgian, and Japanese Empires of the times would like to have a word with you

If you make a trety you honor it, if you don't that's interneational law, and in the case of the US was illegal in the nation due to Article 6 of the constitution.

If America had honored the treaties with the Natives, would now think that we're a legitimate nation?

[Mushet]

If you make a trety you honor it, if you don't that's interneational law, and in the case of the US was illegal in the nation due to Article 6 of the constitution.

If America had honored the treaties with the Natives, would now think that we're a legitimate nation?

Meh, whatever.

[Geilinor]

Why not? They're human beings who need to drive too, such as to the grocery store, to school, or the movies.

Not to mention that it assumes that all legal immigrants work hard to get in, and all illegals are lazy. Most people become illegal immigrants by overstaying their visa. Becoming a US citizen is incredibly difficult for most people, who don't have a recommendation by a US employer, nor any family that are American citizens.

Becoming a legal immigrant is quite easy if you possess a spouse that's an American citizen, but much more difficult if you're self-employed. For example, my uncle, who runs a rather well-to-do restaurant chain here in the United States, has been unable to obtain a green card as no employer will recommend him (he's his own employer, and he can't recommend himself, and it's not like he's going to fire everyone and sell the restaurants he owns to possibly get a green card), so has to go to Korea every few years to renew his visa. Although he can't recommend himself despite being an employer, he can still get his employees to obtain green cards by recommending them.

On the other hand, most illegal immigrants (especially the ones who cross the border) are in poverty, with a poor education and unable to work as a skilled laborer.

Perhaps America should instead make becoming a US citizen even remotely possible for most people first.

America is overpopulated

No, we aren't. Our population density is less than 90 per square mile, and most of our cities have room to grow upward and outward.