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Would you vote libertarian

Poll ended at Mon Aug 05, 2013 1:10 pm

Yes I would consider voting libertarian
84
34%
I might (MIGHT) consider if there is more and more corruption
13
5%
No but I would vote for a third party
85
35%
No I will not vote libertarian or third party
62
25%
 
Total votes : 244

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Reasons to vote libertarian 2016 (Gary Johnson Q&A included)

Postby The Independent States » Mon Jul 29, 2013 1:10 pm

Most people on the NS community at least know what a libertarian is, but for those who don't they're described as a party with a platform that's both fiscally responsible and socially tolerant. This is the biggest compromise that could have ever been made in politics, and now the libertarian party is the 3rd largest and fastest growing party in the US. And there's good reason, they promise paying off debt with a balanced budget while allowing room for social issues at the same time. They support gay and women rights, drug legalization, getting our troops home, abolishing the patriot act and death penalty, and enforcing the constitution by the letter.
However, they would also have the same economic policies as the republicans. This doesn't mean "giving tax breaks to the rich". No, they're calling for abolishing the income and corporate taxes as well as the IRS, and replacing it with a "consumption/fair tax". The downside: gas will go up to $10 per gallon, you would have to pay as much as $50 for a bottle of liquor, and $30 for a pack of cigarettes. He also plans to tax marijuana and carbon-related industries. The only social issues that the libertarian party has that are the same in the republican platform are immigration and gun control, but the recent nominee Gary Johnson explained very well his legislation and why he supports these things.

Who here would consider voting for the libertarian party? My first time I considered was seeing scandals by Nixon, Bush, Clinton, and Obama. Both parties are corrupt. Take a look at this Q&A by Gary Johnson:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0zGYai3KOc
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Postby Mkuki » Mon Jul 29, 2013 1:14 pm

No, I wouldn't and no one should vote Libertarian.
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Postby Agorya » Mon Jul 29, 2013 1:15 pm

I would, but I am not sure if I know enough to vote for economic reasons besides hurrdurr taxes. I might not vote at all, that's how much I disdain politics.
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Postby Meryuma » Mon Jul 29, 2013 1:15 pm

There is nothing libertarian about the "Fair"Tax, and the LP are basically corporate shills posing as anti-authoritarians.

Also, if you're anti-immigration and you call yourself a libertarian, get out.
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Postby Regnum Dominae » Mon Jul 29, 2013 1:15 pm

The Libertarian Party needs to get their shit together first. Once they do I'd be perfectly happy to support them.
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Postby The Independent States » Mon Jul 29, 2013 1:16 pm

Mkuki wrote:No, I wouldn't and no one should vote Libertarian.

Why not? I'm not accusing your beliefs, but just saying "no one should vote libertarian" is very strange on a debating forum full of people that demand sources and reasoning. :lol:

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Postby Threlizdun » Mon Jul 29, 2013 1:16 pm

No, I support libertarians, which the Libertarian Party is not.
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Postby Slafstopia » Mon Jul 29, 2013 1:17 pm

The Independent States wrote:
Mkuki wrote:No, I wouldn't and no one should vote Libertarian.

Why not? I'm not accusing your beliefs, but just saying "no one should vote libertarian" is very strange on a debating forum full of people that demand sources and reasoning. :lol:


Reasoning?

You must be new here.
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Postby Mkuki » Mon Jul 29, 2013 1:17 pm

The Independent States wrote:
Mkuki wrote:No, I wouldn't and no one should vote Libertarian.

Why not? I'm not accusing your beliefs, but just saying "no one should vote libertarian" is very strange on a debating forum full of people that demand sources and reasoning. :lol:

You asked if I would vote for them. Not why.
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Postby Trotskylvania » Mon Jul 29, 2013 1:17 pm

Frankly, I'd rather kill myself.
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Postby Agorya » Mon Jul 29, 2013 1:18 pm

Meryuma wrote:There is nothing libertarian about the "Fair"Tax, and the LP are basically corporate shills posing as anti-authoritarians.

Also, if you're anti-immigration and you call yourself a libertarian, get out.


??? What makes anti-immigration not libertarian?
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Postby Slafstopia » Mon Jul 29, 2013 1:20 pm

Agorya wrote:
Meryuma wrote:There is nothing libertarian about the "Fair"Tax, and the LP are basically corporate shills posing as anti-authoritarians.

Also, if you're anti-immigration and you call yourself a libertarian, get out.


??? What makes anti-immigration not libertarian?


Because real libertarians have a 'legalise everything' attitude. Real libertarians hate restrictions.

I suggest a rename of the Libertarian Party, to the Meritocrat Party. That's more accurate.
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Postby Napkiraly » Mon Jul 29, 2013 1:20 pm

If I were American, I would never ever vote for the Libertarian Party. "Fair" tax? How is it fair when it makes it harder for lower income people to buy stuff?

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Postby Agorya » Mon Jul 29, 2013 1:22 pm

Slafstopia wrote:
Agorya wrote:
??? What makes anti-immigration not libertarian?


Because real libertarians have a 'legalise everything' attitude. Real libertarians hate restrictions.

I suggest a rename of the Libertarian Party, to the Meritocrat Party. That's more accurate.


OH nevermind, I read that wrong.

Yes. Let the borders flow.
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Postby Distruzio » Mon Jul 29, 2013 1:23 pm

No i will not vote Libertarian. I will not vote. I do not like the Libertarians. I would not like them in a box. I would not like them if they were a fox. I will not vote Libertarian. I do not like green eggs and ham.
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Postby Meryuma » Mon Jul 29, 2013 1:24 pm

Agorya wrote:
Meryuma wrote:There is nothing libertarian about the "Fair"Tax, and the LP are basically corporate shills posing as anti-authoritarians.

Also, if you're anti-immigration and you call yourself a libertarian, get out.


??? What makes anti-immigration not libertarian?


Because it's coercive state intervention against innocent people.

Napkiraly wrote:If I were American, I would never ever vote for the Libertarian Party. "Fair" tax? How is it fair when it makes it harder for lower income people to buy stuff?


Bingo.

If they really cared about tax fairness they'd support geoism but that's critical of the rich so they'd never do that.
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Postby Agorya » Mon Jul 29, 2013 1:26 pm

Meryuma wrote:
Agorya wrote:
??? What makes anti-immigration not libertarian?


Because it's coercive state intervention against innocent people.

Napkiraly wrote:If I were American, I would never ever vote for the Libertarian Party. "Fair" tax? How is it fair when it makes it harder for lower income people to buy stuff?


Bingo.

If they really cared about tax fairness they'd support geoism but that's critical of the rich so they'd never do that.


You think the primary goal of the LP is to screw the poor?

You wouldn't understand the conditions that would give rise to such a party if you weren't American.
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Postby Distruzio » Mon Jul 29, 2013 1:26 pm

Meryuma wrote:There is nothing libertarian about the "Fair"Tax, and the LP are basically corporate shills posing as anti-authoritarians.

Also, if you're anti-immigration and you call yourself a libertarian, get out.


What nonsense. Of the State asserts ownership of the land within its territorial boundaries then it behooves the State to protect and ensure the viability and respect of that territory. Immigration should not be free.

/libertarian talk for real, yo.
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Postby Distruzio » Mon Jul 29, 2013 1:27 pm

Trotskylvania wrote:Frankly, I'd rather kill myself.


Thats a bit extreme...
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Postby Napkiraly » Mon Jul 29, 2013 1:28 pm

Agorya wrote:
Meryuma wrote:
Because it's coercive state intervention against innocent people.



Bingo.

If they really cared about tax fairness they'd support geoism but that's critical of the rich so they'd never do that.


You think the primary goal of the LP is to screw the poor?

You wouldn't understand the conditions that would give rise to such a party if you weren't American.

Do I think all Libertarian Party supporters are diabolically trying to screw the poor? No. Do I think their policies (such as this supposed "fair" tax) will screw over the poor? Yes.

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Postby Agorya » Mon Jul 29, 2013 1:28 pm

Distruzio wrote:
Meryuma wrote:There is nothing libertarian about the "Fair"Tax, and the LP are basically corporate shills posing as anti-authoritarians.

Also, if you're anti-immigration and you call yourself a libertarian, get out.


What nonsense. Of the State asserts ownership of the land within its territorial boundaries then it behooves the State to protect and ensure the viability and respect of that territory. Immigration should not be free.

/libertarian talk for real, yo.


The state has no right to enforce immigration laws for such transparent ideals such as "citizenship," which are already being eroded away in the 21st century of global politics and mass movements.
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Postby Mkuki » Mon Jul 29, 2013 1:30 pm

Meryuma wrote:
Agorya wrote:
??? What makes anti-immigration not libertarian?


Because it's coercive state intervention against innocent people.

Napkiraly wrote:If I were American, I would never ever vote for the Libertarian Party. "Fair" tax? How is it fair when it makes it harder for lower income people to buy stuff?


Bingo.

If they really cared about tax fairness they'd support geoism but that's critical of the rich so they'd never do that.

Paul Krugman, eh? There's got to be, at least, some legitimacy to this Georgism.
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Postby Duvniask » Mon Jul 29, 2013 1:30 pm

Jesus Christ, no. I'd never vote for them.

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Postby Agorya » Mon Jul 29, 2013 1:32 pm

Napkiraly wrote:
Agorya wrote:
You think the primary goal of the LP is to screw the poor?

You wouldn't understand the conditions that would give rise to such a party if you weren't American.

Do I think all Libertarian Party supporters are diabolically trying to screw the poor? No. Do I think their policies (such as this supposed "fair" tax) will screw over the poor? Yes.


Do you think there is a better tax system that the LP could use while remaining capitalistic and anti-authoritarian? I've heard of many screwy tax systems.
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Postby Blasveck » Mon Jul 29, 2013 1:32 pm

If they can get their shit together and not have people like Ron Paul represent their party, I might vote for em.

Hell, if the Republicans can't get their shit together, they might be replaced by the Libertarians.
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