[PASSED] Stopping Invasive Species [GAR #254 Replacement]

[Ceni]

True, but the use of flamethrowers is still obligatory. Shudder...

Iljas Saparitti, Ambassador.

Not specifically, but you would think that nations would be sensible enough not to do that.

[Araraukar]

True, but the use of flamethrowers is still obligatory. Shudder...

Not specifically, but you would think that nations would be sensible enough not to do that.

Pfft, your definition of "sensible" clearly differs from mine. Flamethrowers are always sensible when it comes to defending the environment from threats by sapient beings.

There may be a reason here somewhere why Araraukar isn't in the WA...

[Bagong Hukbong Bayan]

As representative of the Republic of Sprawlville, it is my duty to inform you of the opinions of Construct Wintermute and the Senate.

We find it somewhat humorous that members of some of the most invasive species in existence are writing a law to control invasive species...

--Councilman Armitage, First Diplomat to the World Assembly, Republic of Sprawlville

We echo the concern with conveniently exempting the most invasive species and regret another attempt by humanity to set themselves over and above Nature; what goes against the Dao does not last long. If there be negative consequences to "man's" constant meddling with the natural world, its relentless expansion to all parts of the globe inhospitable without enormous energy expenditure, and reckless pursuit of "commerce", let them be hoisted with their own petard.

Against.

[Riasy]

True, but the use of flamethrowers is still obligatory. Shudder...

Iljas Saparitti, Ambassador.

Not specifically, but you would think that nations would be sensible enough not to do that.

I think you are right. It is disputable that the use of flamethrowers is the most effective way to prevent transfers of invasive species, so it should be possible to avoid using them and still stay in compliance with the requirement to use “all means necessary”.

[Retired WerePenguins]

Not that I really care, because at this point in the debate I want to commit suicide but CAN SOME ONE CHANGE THE DAMN THREAD TITLE TO [AT VOTE]

[Ceni]

And it's not stickied, either.

[Icamera]

I don’t think that your wording would make much sense.

"Any and all means necessary" means the member nation would be allowed to do anything up to and including stopping every person on the border to search them and irradiate their belongings, closing their borders to imports from a member nation or nations known to have troubles with invasive species, or take a flamethrower at anything that moves outside of the carefully controlled border crossings.

Still, necessary entails all means which must absolutely be used are mandatory. Preventing the spread of invasive species across borders can be just as easily done via other methods. Then again, I'm thinking of several loopholes to this, even with that definition of "necessary", so I still see this resolution as flawed, unfortunately.

If we're aiming for another repeal, I think it's safe to say that a new resolution on invasive species shouldn't be submitted until everyone's been given plenty of time to scrutinize it. Most representatives seem to hide in the shadows until a proposal hits the floor, then lash out at it; if producing a good resolution is really that important, giving input before submission would be much more helpful (which, of course, doesn't preclude authors from being more patient).

[The Akashic Records]

[If we're aiming for another repeal, I think it's safe to say that a new resolution on invasive species shouldn't be submitted until everyone's been given plenty of time to scrutinize it. Most representatives seem to hide in the shadows until a proposal hits the floor, then lash out at it; if producing a good resolution is really that important, giving input before submission would be much more helpful (which, of course, doesn't preclude authors from being more patient).

It seems we have the same train of thought.

[Araraukar]

If you'd be willing to write up the repeal, I'll definitely help with it. Because this replacement was an even bigger disaster than the original one.

[The Akashic Records]

If you'd be willing to write up the repeal, I'll definitely help with it. Because this replacement was an even bigger disaster than the original one.

Looking for the right way to word it so as to allow a better resolution, while trying to work on a replacement for it. In my (insignificant) opinion, the prevous legislation simply lacked definition, while allowing for a somewhat reasonable use of beneficial but somewhat invasive species. While it could've been worded in a far better manner it couldn't be voted down, that's how good it was (or lemming, probably lemmings).

[Icamera]

*shrug*

Might just be bias, but I haven't seen too many glaring errors with either, aside from the irredeemable mistake of omitting fungi in the first one. Surely, it shouldn't be too difficult to pluck out the negatives and produce a resolution protecting the unobjectionable plans.

[The Akashic Records]

*shrug*

Might just be bias, but I haven't seen too many glaring errors with either, aside from the irredeemable mistake of omitting fungi in the first one. Surely, it shouldn't be too difficult to pluck out the negatives and produce a resolution protecting the unobjectionable plans.

Same here. If it could only have been voted down, surely, a repeal wouldn't have been necessary.

[Riasy]

*shrug*

Might just be bias, but I haven't seen too many glaring errors with either, aside from the irredeemable mistake of omitting fungi in the first one. Surely, it shouldn't be too difficult to pluck out the negatives and produce a resolution protecting the unobjectionable plans.

This version has no fatal mistakes, and if authors will again initiate the repeal-and-replacement cycle right after the passing of another version the very idea of prevention of transfers of invasive species will begin to cause nausea in the WA. Please, let's not touch this thing for some time!

Iljas Saparitti, Ambassador.

[The Akashic Records]

This version has no fatal mistakes, and if authors will again initiate the repeal-and-replacement cycle right after the passing of another version the very idea of prevention of transfers of invasive species will begin to cause nausea in the WA. Please, let's not touch this thing for some time!

Most certainly Ambassador Saparitti. We recommended for it to be kept away for at least three to four months before mentioning any repeal-and-replace effort openly.

[Icamera]

This version has no fatal mistakes, and if authors will again initiate the repeal-and-replacement cycle right after the passing of another version the very idea of prevention of transfers of invasive species will begin to cause nausea in the WA. Please, let's not touch this thing for some time!

Most certainly Ambassador Saparitti. We recommended for it to be kept away for at least three to four months before mentioning any repeal-and-replace effort openly.

I'll second that.

[Capitalist Producers]

So... When might I expect the team of WA biologists. The ones that are going to be trudging around in our swamps cataloging species.

Here's our plan. We will leave the team off at the edge of which ever swamp they want to start with. They go into the swamp and we'll go to the nearest pub. About an hour before sunset we'll go back to pick up any survivors.

Anyone want to bet on how many we pick up?

[United Federation of Canada]

So... When might I expect the team of WA biologists. The ones that are going to be trudging around in our swamps cataloging species.

Here's our plan. We will leave the team off at the edge of which ever swamp they want to start with. They go into the swamp and we'll go to the nearest pub. About an hour before sunset we'll go back to pick up any survivors.

Anyone want to bet on how many we pick up?

The Gnomes are a hearty bunch, or so we're told. They will be fine, assuming you ever knew they were there. (suspense music )