by Trippoli » Tue Nov 17, 2009 6:49 pm
by Zykorinov » Tue Nov 17, 2009 6:52 pm
Trippoli wrote:Out of most School Shootings in America, which do you think is involved the most.
by Parthenon » Tue Nov 17, 2009 6:55 pm
by The Imperial Navy » Tue Nov 17, 2009 6:55 pm
by Zykorinov » Tue Nov 17, 2009 6:58 pm
by Urzamalandi » Tue Nov 17, 2009 7:05 pm
Brogavia wrote:Start wearing white robes and hand out fliers at college campuses talking about how you have discovered the true path happiness and all that junk.
by JuNii » Tue Nov 17, 2009 7:08 pm
by Wilgrove » Tue Nov 17, 2009 7:09 pm
Urzamalandi wrote:Letting regular citizens own guns and even as going far as endorsing it.... It's a horse and stable door situation, but that would be the primary reason, bullying and metal disorders would be secondary.
by Urzamalandi » Tue Nov 17, 2009 7:16 pm
Wilgrove wrote:Urzamalandi wrote:Letting regular citizens own guns and even as going far as endorsing it.... It's a horse and stable door situation, but that would be the primary reason, bullying and metal disorders would be secondary.
I don't think that gun ownership is the problem. Part of the problem is Mental Illness, as with Columbine and VT Shooting. Another part of the problem is poor education on guns, and gun safety. I keep my guns under lock and key, and my guns have a trigger lock. Finally, I do think that if people with CCWs (like myself) are allowed to carry weapons into public places, then these shooters wouldn't kill as many people as they have. Gun laws restrict the law abiding citizens, not the thugs or criminals.
Brogavia wrote:Start wearing white robes and hand out fliers at college campuses talking about how you have discovered the true path happiness and all that junk.
by The Scandinvans » Tue Nov 17, 2009 7:17 pm
I concur.
by Wilgrove » Tue Nov 17, 2009 7:24 pm
Urzamalandi wrote:Wilgrove wrote:Urzamalandi wrote:Letting regular citizens own guns and even as going far as endorsing it.... It's a horse and stable door situation, but that would be the primary reason, bullying and metal disorders would be secondary.
I don't think that gun ownership is the problem. Part of the problem is Mental Illness, as with Columbine and VT Shooting. Another part of the problem is poor education on guns, and gun safety. I keep my guns under lock and key, and my guns have a trigger lock. Finally, I do think that if people with CCWs (like myself) are allowed to carry weapons into public places, then these shooters wouldn't kill as many people as they have. Gun laws restrict the law abiding citizens, not the thugs or criminals.
Unless every person who owns a gun legally keeps it under lock and key, which they dont because then the "protection" thing is null and void, it's very easy for someone who's not licenced, say your teenage son to get hold of a gun.
Many countries allow gun ownership, but none that im aware endorse it as part of being a "True [Insert Nationality]". Machines with the specific purpose to kill should not be something that is endorsed of coveted by anyone.
The thugs and criminals dont magic guns out of thin air, they started off legal somewhere along the line and not all illegal guns come from Mexico.
by Rolling squid » Tue Nov 17, 2009 7:24 pm
Hammurab wrote:An athiest doesn't attend mass, go to confession, or know a lot about catholicism. So basically, an athiest is the same as a catholic.
Post-Unity Terra wrote:Golly gosh, one group of out-of-touch rich white guys is apparently more in touch with the average man than the other group of out-of-touch rich white guys.
by Anarcosyndiclic Peons » Tue Nov 17, 2009 7:25 pm
Parthenon wrote:This is an easy one. Gangs.
Most school shootings aren't columbines, they are inner city violence that doesn't make the news.
by Chrobalta » Tue Nov 17, 2009 7:25 pm
by Urzamalandi » Tue Nov 17, 2009 7:32 pm
Wilgrove wrote:I am required to have a CCW to carry my handgun in public. However, I don't need a license. I just have to submit to a background check. Which I think is good enough. Of course the VT Shootings has shown that background checks need to be fixed. As far as I'm concern, that is all the gun control we need. Of course not everyone keeps their firearm under lock and key, that why I said that poor education is part of the problem.
Wilgrove wrote:The Second Amendment is important, so that citizens can protect itself, whether it'd be a thug stealing your TV, or a government trying to infringe upon your rights that is laid out in the Bill of Rights and Constitution.
Wilgrove wrote:Thugs and criminals don't always start off legal, and you're right, not all illegal guns come from Mexico, some are stolen.
Brogavia wrote:Start wearing white robes and hand out fliers at college campuses talking about how you have discovered the true path happiness and all that junk.
by Wilgrove » Tue Nov 17, 2009 7:34 pm
Urzamalandi wrote:Wilgrove wrote:I am required to have a CCW to carry my handgun in public. However, I don't need a license. I just have to submit to a background check. Which I think is good enough. Of course the VT Shootings has shown that background checks need to be fixed. As far as I'm concern, that is all the gun control we need. Of course not everyone keeps their firearm under lock and key, that why I said that poor education is part of the problem.
I'd argue a background check isnt enough, not when it's for carrying an impliment of death in public or even in your own home. I dont even like seeing the British police going around with guns, not how it was back in my day.Wilgrove wrote:The Second Amendment is important, so that citizens can protect itself, whether it'd be a thug stealing your TV, or a government trying to infringe upon your rights that is laid out in the Bill of Rights and Constitution.
Thats protecting your TV not yourself. Government i'd concede.Wilgrove wrote:Thugs and criminals don't always start off legal, and you're right, not all illegal guns come from Mexico, some are stolen.
If Mr. John Joe Jones didnt have a gun to be stolen there wouldnt be a criminal with one.
Also noted: if i was a resident of the USA i'd arm myself to the teeth for fear of my safety from: public, criminals, police, government.
if thats the greatest country in the world, you can keep it.
by Urzamalandi » Tue Nov 17, 2009 7:36 pm
Wilgrove wrote:Urzamalandi wrote:Wilgrove wrote:I am required to have a CCW to carry my handgun in public. However, I don't need a license. I just have to submit to a background check. Which I think is good enough. Of course the VT Shootings has shown that background checks need to be fixed. As far as I'm concern, that is all the gun control we need. Of course not everyone keeps their firearm under lock and key, that why I said that poor education is part of the problem.
I'd argue a background check isnt enough, not when it's for carrying an impliment of death in public or even in your own home. I dont even like seeing the British police going around with guns, not how it was back in my day.Wilgrove wrote:The Second Amendment is important, so that citizens can protect itself, whether it'd be a thug stealing your TV, or a government trying to infringe upon your rights that is laid out in the Bill of Rights and Constitution.
Thats protecting your TV not yourself. Government i'd concede.Wilgrove wrote:Thugs and criminals don't always start off legal, and you're right, not all illegal guns come from Mexico, some are stolen.
If Mr. John Joe Jones didnt have a gun to be stolen there wouldnt be a criminal with one.
Also noted: if i was a resident of the USA i'd arm myself to the teeth for fear of my safety from: public, criminals, police, government.
if thats the greatest country in the world, you can keep it.
They can always import guns. Do you really think the USA holds all the gun manufacturers?
Brogavia wrote:Start wearing white robes and hand out fliers at college campuses talking about how you have discovered the true path happiness and all that junk.
by Vectrova » Tue Nov 17, 2009 7:37 pm
by Brogavia » Tue Nov 17, 2009 7:38 pm
Urzamalandi wrote:If Mr. John Joe Jones didnt have a gun to be stolen there wouldnt be a criminal with one.
by Wilgrove » Tue Nov 17, 2009 7:39 pm
Urzamalandi wrote:With all the border controls ive seen in the USA i'm amazed anyone manages to get anything in illegally, let alone weapons.
by Barringtonia » Tue Nov 17, 2009 7:40 pm
by Urzamalandi » Tue Nov 17, 2009 7:42 pm
Brogavia wrote:Start wearing white robes and hand out fliers at college campuses talking about how you have discovered the true path happiness and all that junk.
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