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The Main Cause of School Shootings

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What causes most School Shootings?

Depression
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16%
Bullying
63
30%
Mental Illness
39
18%
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24
11%
Religious Disputes
1
0%
Other
52
24%
 
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The Main Cause of School Shootings

Postby Trippoli » Tue Nov 17, 2009 6:49 pm

Out of most School Shootings in America, which do you think is involved the most.
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Postby Zykorinov » Tue Nov 17, 2009 6:52 pm

Trippoli wrote:Out of most School Shootings in America, which do you think is involved the most.

Bullying and mental disorders.
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Postby Wilgrove » Tue Nov 17, 2009 6:54 pm

IT'S THE VIDEO GAMES! THEY'RE BLOODY, GRAPHIC, AND VIOLENT! THOSE DAMN KIDS PLAY VIDEO GAMES 5 HOURS EVERYDAY, OF COURSE THEY'RE GOING TO BLOW PEOPLE'S HEAD OFF!

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Postby Parthenon » Tue Nov 17, 2009 6:55 pm

This is an easy one. Gangs.

Most school shootings aren't columbines, they are inner city violence that doesn't make the news.
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Postby The Imperial Navy » Tue Nov 17, 2009 6:55 pm

Humans being what they are - territorial animals, always seeking to be the dominant male. By any means nessecary.

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Postby Zykorinov » Tue Nov 17, 2009 6:58 pm

Crazies. That about sums it up. Gangsters, Mentally-Insanes, Far-Right Wing Conservatives, all crazies.

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Postby Maurepas » Tue Nov 17, 2009 7:00 pm

Id vote Mental Illness, it takes alot to actually want to go around shooting students...

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Postby Urzamalandi » Tue Nov 17, 2009 7:05 pm

Letting regular citizens own guns and even as going far as endorsing it.... It's a horse and stable door situation, but that would be the primary reason, bullying and metal disorders would be secondary.
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Postby JuNii » Tue Nov 17, 2009 7:08 pm

I say Idiots.

those idiots who bully others.

those idiots who remain silent and DON'T try to get the help they need.

Those idiots who own guns and assume that their kids won't get to them.


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Postby Wilgrove » Tue Nov 17, 2009 7:09 pm

Urzamalandi wrote:Letting regular citizens own guns and even as going far as endorsing it.... It's a horse and stable door situation, but that would be the primary reason, bullying and metal disorders would be secondary.


I don't think that gun ownership is the problem. Part of the problem is Mental Illness, as with Columbine and VT Shooting. Another part of the problem is poor education on guns, and gun safety. I keep my guns under lock and key, and my guns have a trigger lock. Finally, I do think that if people with CCWs (like myself) are allowed to carry weapons into public places, then these shooters wouldn't kill as many people as they have. Gun laws restrict the law abiding citizens, not the thugs or criminals.

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Postby Urzamalandi » Tue Nov 17, 2009 7:16 pm

Wilgrove wrote:
Urzamalandi wrote:Letting regular citizens own guns and even as going far as endorsing it.... It's a horse and stable door situation, but that would be the primary reason, bullying and metal disorders would be secondary.


I don't think that gun ownership is the problem. Part of the problem is Mental Illness, as with Columbine and VT Shooting. Another part of the problem is poor education on guns, and gun safety. I keep my guns under lock and key, and my guns have a trigger lock. Finally, I do think that if people with CCWs (like myself) are allowed to carry weapons into public places, then these shooters wouldn't kill as many people as they have. Gun laws restrict the law abiding citizens, not the thugs or criminals.



Unless every person who owns a gun legally keeps it under lock and key, which they dont because then the "protection" thing is null and void, it's very easy for someone who's not licenced, say your teenage son to get hold of a gun.

Many countries allow gun ownership, but none that im aware endorse it as part of being a "True [Insert Nationality]". Machines with the specific purpose to kill should not be something that is endorsed of coveted by anyone.

The thugs and criminals dont magic guns out of thin air, they started off legal somewhere along the line and not all illegal guns come from Mexico.
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Postby The Scandinvans » Tue Nov 17, 2009 7:17 pm

Zykorinov wrote:
Trippoli wrote:Out of most School Shootings in America, which do you think is involved the most.

Bullying and mental disorders.
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Postby Wilgrove » Tue Nov 17, 2009 7:24 pm

Urzamalandi wrote:
Wilgrove wrote:
Urzamalandi wrote:Letting regular citizens own guns and even as going far as endorsing it.... It's a horse and stable door situation, but that would be the primary reason, bullying and metal disorders would be secondary.


I don't think that gun ownership is the problem. Part of the problem is Mental Illness, as with Columbine and VT Shooting. Another part of the problem is poor education on guns, and gun safety. I keep my guns under lock and key, and my guns have a trigger lock. Finally, I do think that if people with CCWs (like myself) are allowed to carry weapons into public places, then these shooters wouldn't kill as many people as they have. Gun laws restrict the law abiding citizens, not the thugs or criminals.



Unless every person who owns a gun legally keeps it under lock and key, which they dont because then the "protection" thing is null and void, it's very easy for someone who's not licenced, say your teenage son to get hold of a gun.


I am required to have a CCW to carry my handgun in public. However, I don't need a license. I just have to submit to a background check. Which I think is good enough. Of course the VT Shootings has shown that background checks need to be fixed. As far as I'm concern, that is all the gun control we need. Of course not everyone keeps their firearm under lock and key, that why I said that poor education is part of the problem.

Many countries allow gun ownership, but none that im aware endorse it as part of being a "True [Insert Nationality]". Machines with the specific purpose to kill should not be something that is endorsed of coveted by anyone.


The Second Amendment is important, so that citizens can protect itself, whether it'd be a thug stealing your TV, or a government trying to infringe upon your rights that is laid out in the Bill of Rights and Constitution.

The thugs and criminals dont magic guns out of thin air, they started off legal somewhere along the line and not all illegal guns come from Mexico.


Thugs and criminals don't always start off legal, and you're right, not all illegal guns come from Mexico, some are stolen.

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Postby Rolling squid » Tue Nov 17, 2009 7:24 pm

Mental disorders. When you look at a typical school shooter, you see a pattern emerging. First, most shooters tend to come from broken homes, and have few, if any, stable personal relations. This leads to a feeling of isolation and hopelessness that would be enough to cause most normal people to commit suicide, but spree killers generally also have a highly narcissistic personality, leading them to feel that society owes them something, and they set out to extract that price. Another thing that increases the likelihood of such people turning to mass violence is the media coverage shooters tend to receive; they see the attention paid to spree killers, and decide it is the best way to get noticed and remembered. This is all highly speculative, as few spree killers are captured alive for study.
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Postby Anarcosyndiclic Peons » Tue Nov 17, 2009 7:25 pm

Parthenon wrote:This is an easy one. Gangs.

Most school shootings aren't columbines, they are inner city violence that doesn't make the news.


Agreed, although in-school shootings are still relatively rare. It's hard to find their target if the target is frequently truant after all.

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Postby Chrobalta » Tue Nov 17, 2009 7:25 pm

Bullying, mental disorders, depression, probably a combination of these with other factors.
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Postby Kahrhoshe » Tue Nov 17, 2009 7:28 pm

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Postby Urzamalandi » Tue Nov 17, 2009 7:32 pm

Wilgrove wrote:I am required to have a CCW to carry my handgun in public. However, I don't need a license. I just have to submit to a background check. Which I think is good enough. Of course the VT Shootings has shown that background checks need to be fixed. As far as I'm concern, that is all the gun control we need. Of course not everyone keeps their firearm under lock and key, that why I said that poor education is part of the problem.


I'd argue a background check isnt enough, not when it's for carrying an impliment of death in public or even in your own home. I dont even like seeing the British police going around with guns, not how it was back in my day. :p

Wilgrove wrote:The Second Amendment is important, so that citizens can protect itself, whether it'd be a thug stealing your TV, or a government trying to infringe upon your rights that is laid out in the Bill of Rights and Constitution.

Thats protecting your TV not yourself. Government i'd concede.

Wilgrove wrote:Thugs and criminals don't always start off legal, and you're right, not all illegal guns come from Mexico, some are stolen.

If Mr. John Joe Jones didnt have a gun to be stolen there wouldnt be a criminal with one.

Also noted: if i was a resident of the USA i'd arm myself to the teeth for fear of my safety from: public, criminals, police, government.
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Postby Wilgrove » Tue Nov 17, 2009 7:34 pm

Urzamalandi wrote:
Wilgrove wrote:I am required to have a CCW to carry my handgun in public. However, I don't need a license. I just have to submit to a background check. Which I think is good enough. Of course the VT Shootings has shown that background checks need to be fixed. As far as I'm concern, that is all the gun control we need. Of course not everyone keeps their firearm under lock and key, that why I said that poor education is part of the problem.


I'd argue a background check isnt enough, not when it's for carrying an impliment of death in public or even in your own home. I dont even like seeing the British police going around with guns, not how it was back in my day. :p

Wilgrove wrote:The Second Amendment is important, so that citizens can protect itself, whether it'd be a thug stealing your TV, or a government trying to infringe upon your rights that is laid out in the Bill of Rights and Constitution.

Thats protecting your TV not yourself. Government i'd concede.

Wilgrove wrote:Thugs and criminals don't always start off legal, and you're right, not all illegal guns come from Mexico, some are stolen.

If Mr. John Joe Jones didnt have a gun to be stolen there wouldnt be a criminal with one.

Also noted: if i was a resident of the USA i'd arm myself to the teeth for fear of my safety from: public, criminals, police, government.
if thats the greatest country in the world, you can keep it. :)


They can always import guns. Do you really think the USA holds all the gun manufacturers?

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Postby Urzamalandi » Tue Nov 17, 2009 7:36 pm

Wilgrove wrote:
Urzamalandi wrote:
Wilgrove wrote:I am required to have a CCW to carry my handgun in public. However, I don't need a license. I just have to submit to a background check. Which I think is good enough. Of course the VT Shootings has shown that background checks need to be fixed. As far as I'm concern, that is all the gun control we need. Of course not everyone keeps their firearm under lock and key, that why I said that poor education is part of the problem.


I'd argue a background check isnt enough, not when it's for carrying an impliment of death in public or even in your own home. I dont even like seeing the British police going around with guns, not how it was back in my day. :p

Wilgrove wrote:The Second Amendment is important, so that citizens can protect itself, whether it'd be a thug stealing your TV, or a government trying to infringe upon your rights that is laid out in the Bill of Rights and Constitution.

Thats protecting your TV not yourself. Government i'd concede.

Wilgrove wrote:Thugs and criminals don't always start off legal, and you're right, not all illegal guns come from Mexico, some are stolen.

If Mr. John Joe Jones didnt have a gun to be stolen there wouldnt be a criminal with one.

Also noted: if i was a resident of the USA i'd arm myself to the teeth for fear of my safety from: public, criminals, police, government.
if thats the greatest country in the world, you can keep it. :)


They can always import guns. Do you really think the USA holds all the gun manufacturers?


With all the border controls ive seen in the USA i'm amazed anyone manages to get anything in illegally, let alone weapons.
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Postby Vectrova » Tue Nov 17, 2009 7:37 pm

Not having anyone appear to care about or for them, being rejected and/or 'bullied' by their peers, and impaired judgment caused by mental illness. It is not a matter of 'main cause', as any one factor is unlikely to make someone go on a school shooting (barring the extremely mentally ill).

However, of them all, I would place the most concern on mental illness. Impaired judgment and generally dysfunctional mental faculties are the most troublesome things a person can experience. Those stick with you in a way the condition for isolation or bullying can't.
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Postby Brogavia » Tue Nov 17, 2009 7:38 pm

Urzamalandi wrote:If Mr. John Joe Jones didnt have a gun to be stolen there wouldnt be a criminal with one.


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Postby Wilgrove » Tue Nov 17, 2009 7:39 pm

Urzamalandi wrote:With all the border controls ive seen in the USA i'm amazed anyone manages to get anything in illegally, let alone weapons.


Umm...you might want to read up on the US/Mexico border problem.

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Postby Barringtonia » Tue Nov 17, 2009 7:40 pm

The mental connection between 'justice' and 'gun' that is prevalent in the US due to history.
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Postby Urzamalandi » Tue Nov 17, 2009 7:42 pm

Wilgrove wrote:
Urzamalandi wrote:With all the border controls ive seen in the USA i'm amazed anyone manages to get anything in illegally, let alone weapons.


Umm...you might want to read up on the US/Mexico border problem.


You do have a very unfortunate problem with your neighbours i'll grant you that, but it still doesn't change that it's socially acceptable to carry and fire weapons which makes the line between legal and illegal weapons very blurred. Plenty of people who own guns legally who probably shouldnt.
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