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Charles Cerebella
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On Osiris

Postby Charles Cerebella » Fri Jun 28, 2013 12:52 pm

Once again we have seen another instance of a GCR being couped. Perhaps unsurprisingly, this GCR is Osiris. The fact that, in the span of just six months, the region has already been couped twice by its senior members and elected leaders is a sign of concern. Specifically, concern that what on the surface appears to be an operating democratic system, is in fact a dysfunctional system in need of deep reform.

Despite this, we remain committed to the principles of sovereignty in GCRs and elsewhere. The official Government has been denied the right to take power, and we stand by them in the principle of their right to govern, despite a historically fractious relationship with our allies and general sphere. We stand overwhelmingly behind any attempt to liberate Osiris from its current situation and to bring it back under the sovereign control of its people. We hope this can be achieved in a sustainable manner, one that not only secures the region now, but for the long term.

I hope the coming days and weeks will see this happen, and will see a more stable Osiris at the end of it.

Respectfully,

Charles Cerebella

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Cormac A Stark
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Postby Cormac A Stark » Fri Jun 28, 2013 1:44 pm

The legitimate government of Osiris thanks Albion for its support during this difficult time, and for taking a stand for sovereignty in GCRs in general. We look forward to working with you in the coming days to restore sovereignty to Osiris.

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A mean old man
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Postby A mean old man » Fri Jun 28, 2013 1:58 pm

The East Pacific declares its support for the legitimate government of Osiris and will do what is within its abilities to remove the usurpers from power.
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A: SC#26 - Commend The Joint Systems Alliance
A: SC#30 - Commend 10000 Islands
A: SC#37 - Condemn NAZI EUROPE
A: SC#38 - Repeal "Condemn NAZI EUROPE"
A: GA#149 - On Expiration Dates
C: SC#58 - Repeal "Commend Sedgistan"
A: SC#62 - Repeal "Condemn Swarmlandia"
C: SC#63 - Commend Ballotonia
A: SC#65 - Condemn Punk Reloaded
C: GA#163 - Repeal "Law of the Sea"
A: SC#72 - Repeal "Commend Mikeswill"
C: SC#74 - Condemn Lone Wolves United
C: SC#76 - Repeal "Condemn Thatcherton"
A: SC#81 - Repeal "Condemn Anthony Delasanta"
C: SC#83 - Condemn Automagfreek
C: SC#84 - Repeal "Liberate Islam"
C: SC#111 - Commend Krulltopia ← please forget

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Tim Locksley-Stark
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Postby Tim Locksley-Stark » Fri Jun 28, 2013 2:01 pm

A Message from President Wintermoot, of Spiritus

One of the greatest challenges that a democratic leader can face is the challenge of passing the baton when their time as leader is over. Time and time again, it has been shown that when leaders cannot meet their challenge and cling to power, it's the natives that suffer in the name of their new despot. I regret to inform you that one of those times is now upon us, in the region of Osiris.

Today the previous Pharaoh of Osiris, The Dourian Embassy (Treize Dreizehn), failed in this challenge. Instead of passing the baton over to the legitimately elected new Pharaoh, Cormac Stark, Dourian instead staged a hostile coup in the region with the assistance of a foreign region, Gatesville Inc, redirected the regions forum link to Gatesville Inc., and has expressed his intent to remain in power indefinitely. This action not only betrays the trust placed in him when he was originally chosen as Pharaoh, but completely dismisses the legitimate will of the natives of Osiris that chose a new Pharaoh over him.

These are wrongs that must not be allowed to remain unaddressed. Spiritus will once again rise to the challenge of ensuring that justice ultimately prevails, as it did just two months ago in The South Pacific coup. Spiritus will stand with the people of Osiris in pledging our full military and diplomatic support to the legitimate Pharaoh of Osiris, Cormac Stark, in the task of liberating the region and ensuring that Dourian's hour of justice comes sooner rather than later.

With this in mind, I hereby make the following orders:

1) The Dourian Embassy is hereby declared persona non grata from Spiritus.

2) Spiritus shall be made available as a temporary home to both the legitimate government of Osiris and any refuges that are expelled from the region by the rogue regime if needed.

3) Present and future relations between Spiritus and any region or organization shown to be supporting the coup shall be forbidden indefinitely, unless the President has granted an exception for a particular region or organization.

4) Based upon proof that the account of The Dourian Embassy has been handed over, Nevadar, High Queen of Gatesville Inc., is declared persona non grata from Spiritus.

Through the valiant efforts of ourselves and others, may peace and freedom come to Osiris once again.

Inric Locksley (Wintermoot of Spiritus)
President of Spiritus

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Punk Reloaded
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Postby Punk Reloaded » Fri Jun 28, 2013 2:59 pm

Dear members of the NationStates community,

The West Pacific recognizes that within the region of Osiris there appears to be some political turmoil.

Earlier today, a member of The West Pacific decided to post on our Regional Message Board a notice to our troops to enter Osiris to support the sitting delegate. This notice had no support from our delegate, our Defense Minister, nor anyone within the governmental bodies of The West Pacific. This person has been ejected from the region.

The former Osiran government previously cut diplomatic relations with The West Pacific and we feel no obligation to recognize their current claims to the in-game delegacy. Our stance in this situation is similar to times past in that we remain steadfast in supporting delegate nations elected by the World Assembly nations of their respective regions. As such, we have no intention to oppose our ally Gatesville in this matter.

Ultimately, we long for peace to return to Osiris and hope that a protracted incident is avoided.

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Former Delegate of The West Pacific
Former Foreign Affairs Minister, The West Pacific

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Glen-Rhodes
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Postby Glen-Rhodes » Fri Jun 28, 2013 3:03 pm

Charles Cerebella wrote:Specifically, concern that what on the surface appears to be an operating democratic system, is in fact a dysfunctional system in need of deep reform.

Osiris' system is hardly democratic. Power is heavily concentrated in a select few, and new positions are frequently made to consolidate that power. It's always been like this, and the Sepatarchy have always been unwilling to consider serious changes. We can only hope that these back-to-back coup d'etat will put a fire under the Sepatarchy to seriously reform the entire governing structure.
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A mean old man
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Postby A mean old man » Fri Jun 28, 2013 3:04 pm

Punk Reloaded wrote:Dear members of the NationStates community,

The West Pacific recognizes that within the region of Osiris there appears to be some political turmoil.

Earlier today, a member of The West Pacific decided to post on our Regional Message Board a notice to our troops to enter Osiris to support the sitting delegate. This notice had no support from our delegate, our Defense Minister, nor anyone within the governmental bodies of The West Pacific. This person has been ejected from the region.

The former Osiran government previously cut diplomatic relations with The West Pacific and we feel no obligation to recognize their current claims to the in-game delegacy. Our stance in this situation is similar to times past in that we remain steadfast in supporting delegate nations elected by the World Assembly nations of their respective regions. As such, we have no intention to oppose our ally Gatesville in this matter.

Ultimately, we long for peace to return to Osiris and hope that a protracted incident is avoided.

Punk Daddy
Foreign Minister of The West Pacific


A Gasponian response if I ever saw one.
A: SC#16 - Repeal "Liberate The Security Council"
A: SC#26 - Commend The Joint Systems Alliance
A: SC#30 - Commend 10000 Islands
A: SC#37 - Condemn NAZI EUROPE
A: SC#38 - Repeal "Condemn NAZI EUROPE"
A: GA#149 - On Expiration Dates
C: SC#58 - Repeal "Commend Sedgistan"
A: SC#62 - Repeal "Condemn Swarmlandia"
C: SC#63 - Commend Ballotonia
A: SC#65 - Condemn Punk Reloaded
C: GA#163 - Repeal "Law of the Sea"
A: SC#72 - Repeal "Commend Mikeswill"
C: SC#74 - Condemn Lone Wolves United
C: SC#76 - Repeal "Condemn Thatcherton"
A: SC#81 - Repeal "Condemn Anthony Delasanta"
C: SC#83 - Condemn Automagfreek
C: SC#84 - Repeal "Liberate Islam"
C: SC#111 - Commend Krulltopia ← please forget

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the Imperial Crown
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Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby the Imperial Crown » Fri Jun 28, 2013 4:16 pm

That ironic moment when The Dourian Embassy was the one who wanted to close relations with The West Pacific and Cormac Stark resigned from the Sepatarchy in protest.

It's fun being the Vizier of Foreign Affairs for three Pharaohs on the trot, it means I get to pop up and reveal some behind the scenes truths when people seem to need it.

In-fact, the vast majority of the cabinet was against closing relations with The West Pacific but with a lack of suitable alternatives, Douria had his way.

So The West Pacific recognising the sitting delegate - the person who ordered the close of relations with them over the person who argued against it, is pretty backwards.

As for what Glen said, there are legislature reforms on the horizon, to abolish the Sepatarchy for one and introduce a citizens assembly, has been ever since an informal poll showed the majority of those who answered favoured a more open and citizen-inclusive system.
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The North Polish Union
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Postby The North Polish Union » Fri Jun 28, 2013 4:18 pm

I support the standing delegate in Osiris. I would coup my region if Cormac was elected delegate, too. :p
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King Frederick I
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Postby King Frederick I » Fri Jun 28, 2013 4:23 pm

Official Mazerian Statement on the Coup of Osiris


The Government of Mazeria has noted with concern the recent events in Osiris and therefore has the following statement to make.

Mazeria hereby condemns the actions of Treize Dreizehn, for his refusal to pass on the office of Pharaoh and his failure to adhere to and respect the democratic processes in Osiris, and Gatesville, for accepting Treize's handing over of his nation, and unlawfully subjecting Osiris to their policies. It is extremely worrying to see the lengths some will go to keep things going in their favour, and it is utterly outrageous that the Osiran people have to undergo a situation like this for a second time in half a year. The Mazerian Government further notes the irony present in a situation whereby a region claiming to espouse the right to national and regional sovereignty has been involved in the removal of that from the inhabitants of Osiris.

Mazeria will support efforts to bring the legitimate Pharaoh and his government to power, and wish luck to the legitimate government in their work, should they be able to take power. Once they do regain power, we hope that they will be able to maintain peace, order, and security in the future, as the citizens of Osiris do not need this disruption in their lives.

We look forward to working with our fellow UCRs, as well as the GCRs, to support the legitimate government, and condemn the actions of Treize Dreizehn and Gatesville. We hope to be able to work with our friends and allies in bringing those responsible for this upheaval to justice. We, personally, wish to see the restoration of order and effective government in Osiris as soon as possible, and will work with others until this is achieved.

Furthermore, both Treize Dreizehn/the Dourian Embassy and Queen Nevadar of Gatesville are hereby declared to be personae non gratae within the borders of the Kingdom of Mazeria.

Signed,
King Frederick I - Fred Vinage
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Corporation de Apple
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Postby Corporation de Apple » Fri Jun 28, 2013 5:19 pm

Glen-Rhodes wrote:
Charles Cerebella wrote:Specifically, concern that what on the surface appears to be an operating democratic system, is in fact a dysfunctional system in need of deep reform.

Osiris' system is hardly democratic. Power is heavily concentrated in a select few, and new positions are frequently made to consolidate that power. It's always been like this, and the Sepatarchy have always been unwilling to consider serious changes. We can only hope that these back-to-back coup d'etat will put a fire under the Sepatarchy to seriously reform the entire governing structure.

Unfortunately, GR, I'm afraid that your analysis is a bit off.
We've (the Sepatarchy) been focusing on a) opening Sepatarchy up, b) replacing the Sepatarchy with an open and equal citizens assembly. The fact that we've been couped does not change that - in fact, it only doubles our dedication towards rectifying some obvious wrongs with Osiris' legislative system.

EDIT: What LR said.
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Frisbeeteria wrote:
Albul wrote:Everyone has said what they needed and now no one is saying anything relevant to the topic.

That describes pretty much every topic ever posted in NSG.
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Corporation de Apple
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Postby Corporation de Apple » Fri Jun 28, 2013 5:20 pm

King Frederick I wrote:*snip*

The people of Osiris thank you for your support.
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Former things in Osiris
Frisbeeteria wrote:
Albul wrote:Everyone has said what they needed and now no one is saying anything relevant to the topic.

That describes pretty much every topic ever posted in NSG.
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Glen-Rhodes
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Postby Glen-Rhodes » Fri Jun 28, 2013 5:38 pm

Corporation de Apple wrote:We've (the Sepatarchy) been focusing on a) opening Sepatarchy up, b) replacing the Sepatarchy with an open and equal citizens assembly. The fact that we've been couped does not change that - in fact, it only doubles our dedication towards rectifying some obvious wrongs with Osiris' legislative system.

That's been under discussion since at least January, perhaps even since last year. Opening up the Sepatarchy or replacing it won't solve all of Osiris' problems, anyways. The entire governing structure is an issue, because too much power is placed in a handful of people with little to no oversight, checks, or balances. Replacing the Sepatarchy doesn't change that. I really do hope the Sepatarchy passes meaningful reforms, but we're talking about a region with an historic aversion to major change.
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Communist Eraser
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Postby Communist Eraser » Fri Jun 28, 2013 5:40 pm

Gatesville should of co-opted Milo's oligarch rhetoric then :P
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The Lonely Hearts Club Band
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Postby The Lonely Hearts Club Band » Fri Jun 28, 2013 7:05 pm

Communist Eraser wrote:Gatesville should of co-opted Milo's oligarch rhetoric then :P


They did, actually, which was terribly disappointing.

Gameplayers can't even come up with original ideas :c
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Corporation de Apple
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Postby Corporation de Apple » Fri Jun 28, 2013 7:08 pm

The Lonely Hearts Club Band wrote:
Communist Eraser wrote:Gatesville should of co-opted Milo's oligarch rhetoric then :P


They did, actually, which was terribly disappointing.

Gameplayers can't even come up with original ideas :c

It would seem that creativity is lacking in the morass that is GV. They still have cookies, but they're mostly burnt.
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Former things in Osiris
Frisbeeteria wrote:
Albul wrote:Everyone has said what they needed and now no one is saying anything relevant to the topic.

That describes pretty much every topic ever posted in NSG.
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Gates the god
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Postby Gates the god » Fri Jun 28, 2013 8:03 pm

Gatesville is liberating Osiris from the fanatical cult that controlled it and we are doing it peacefully.

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Avakael
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Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby Avakael » Fri Jun 28, 2013 8:20 pm

Gates the god wrote:Gatesville is liberating Osiris from the fanatical cult that controlled it and we are doing it peacefully.

So.... who exactly is expected to believe this on face value? I've got a couple of boxes of DVD rewinders I want to flog off.
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Corporation de Apple
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Postby Corporation de Apple » Fri Jun 28, 2013 8:30 pm

Gates the god wrote:Gatesville is liberating Osiris from the fanatical cult that controlled it and we are doing it peacefully.

Unfortunately, your statement is plain wrong. Raiding is
a) Never peaceful.
b) Always destructive.
c) Eternally detrimental to the cake industry.

Osiris elected Cormac, period. For Treize to ragequit and hand control to Nevadar is not something that I would call peaceful.
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Former things in Osiris
Frisbeeteria wrote:
Albul wrote:Everyone has said what they needed and now no one is saying anything relevant to the topic.

That describes pretty much every topic ever posted in NSG.
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Gates the god
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Postby Gates the god » Fri Jun 28, 2013 8:43 pm

Once again "sigh" Gatesville is partaking in a transfer of power from the elite to citizenry rule. I will state now that any outside region that opposes this move for freedom will have to deal with the repercussions.

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Cerian Quilor
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Postby Cerian Quilor » Fri Jun 28, 2013 8:47 pm

I find it rich a dictatorship of elite like Gatesville is talking about 'citizens rule'.

Replacing democracy with dictatorship, even 'temporary' dictatorship doesn't work.
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Belschaft
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Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Belschaft » Fri Jun 28, 2013 8:55 pm

History repeats itself, first as tragedy, second as farce. This is already reminding me of The Milograd Coup, right down to the nonsense anti-'oligarchical' rhetoric, except with a much more attractive protagonist. Kinda like if they remade Catwoman but with Alexis Bledel instead of Hale Berry.
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Gates the god
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Postby Gates the god » Fri Jun 28, 2013 8:58 pm

Here we go again with false accusations Gatesville is run by her nations always has and always will.

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A mean old man
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Postby A mean old man » Fri Jun 28, 2013 10:29 pm

Milo was more articulate. It's hard to believe that these posts are a serious attempt at PR.
A: SC#16 - Repeal "Liberate The Security Council"
A: SC#26 - Commend The Joint Systems Alliance
A: SC#30 - Commend 10000 Islands
A: SC#37 - Condemn NAZI EUROPE
A: SC#38 - Repeal "Condemn NAZI EUROPE"
A: GA#149 - On Expiration Dates
C: SC#58 - Repeal "Commend Sedgistan"
A: SC#62 - Repeal "Condemn Swarmlandia"
C: SC#63 - Commend Ballotonia
A: SC#65 - Condemn Punk Reloaded
C: GA#163 - Repeal "Law of the Sea"
A: SC#72 - Repeal "Commend Mikeswill"
C: SC#74 - Condemn Lone Wolves United
C: SC#76 - Repeal "Condemn Thatcherton"
A: SC#81 - Repeal "Condemn Anthony Delasanta"
C: SC#83 - Condemn Automagfreek
C: SC#84 - Repeal "Liberate Islam"
C: SC#111 - Commend Krulltopia ← please forget

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Belschaft
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Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Belschaft » Fri Jun 28, 2013 10:40 pm

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Statement from the Cabinet of the South Pacific
in regards to The Dourian-Nevadar Coup of Osiris


Having observed recent events in Osiris, The South Pacific most firmly condemns the actions of the former Pharaoh Treize Dreizehn, aka The Dourian Embassy, Nevadar, and Gatesville. All regions posses the sovereign right to govern themselves in peace without fear of foreign invasion or coup d'etat. Osiris has acted in no manner that would lead to that right being justifiably abridged, and as such The South Pacific considers the actions of Gatesville and their associates fundamentally illegitimate. We will be supporting our ally in any and all ways we can during this difficult time, and call for the immediate and unconditional withdrawal of Gatesville from Osiris, the return of control of the region to the legally elected democratic government of the region, and the immediate transferal of the delegacy to the legally elected Delegate Cormac Stark.
 
In the short term The South Pacific will be severing diplomatic relations with Gatesville whilst we consult with Osiris and our other allies about the proper response to this incident. We implore Gatesville to take the correct action to end this crisis peacefully whilst they still can.
 
Thank You,
The Cabinet of the South Pacific
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