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Postby Yorkopolis » Sat Jun 01, 2013 1:44 pm

Demphor wrote:
Castelo Quintas wrote:I would like to see the proofs of this so called crimes before voting, commited by the nation of Hippostania. What it seems to me, and was also brought up by another user, is that this condemn is purely based on ideological reasons or based on some stupid feud between both users.


Upon reading the resolution, it has nothing to do on his ideology, just what he's done by violating other nations rights. In response he also locked up all the diplomats of nations who voted for the resolution.

And thusly causing a major international diplomatic crisis in which many large nations intervened and blockaded Hippostania, almost sparking a major war that was averted at the last possible moment.

Hippostania has gravely violated WA resolutions, and instead of repealing it "because there's other nations out there that also deserve these resolutions but aren't condemned", we should be condemning these nations as well, instead of wasting our time here arguing about how a nation that detains any type of leftists and any opposition to the government in the Anzere Correctional Detention Facility, or, better to say, a concentration camp, doesn't deserve a condemnation.

Voting wholeheartedly against, and will never vote for this resolution, Hippostania does not deserve a repeal of its condemnation after such ridiculous acts were committed, after sparking such a ridiculous international crisis, violating the diplomatic immunity of ambassadors, and much much more.
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Postby The Shadow Brotherhood » Sat Jun 01, 2013 2:03 pm

SkyDip wrote:
Repeal "Condemn Hippostania"

Category: Condemnation | Nominee: SC#107 | Proposed By: SkyDip

Description: The Security Council,

RECOGNIZING the World Assembly as a sovereign and governing body of the member nations therein,

REALIZING that many nations which hold membership in the World Assembly are in violation, intentionally or otherwise, of some laws passed by the General Assembly,

BELIEVING that it is fully unrealistic to expect all nations in the WA to comply to the letter of every mandate, law, and sub-council given power in these halls,

FURTHER BELIEVING that Hippostania exaggerated tales of their WA transgressions and that the nation in question sought a Security Council Condemnation as a tool of notoriety and fame,

NOTING that Hippostania has not carried out any unique or particularly world-affecting misdeeds as characterized in SC#107 and that many of the crimes mentioned have been trumped-up with extravagant claims and information provided by Hippostania, a practice highly discouraged in the Security Council,

COGNISANT that far more evil nations exist in the world that deserve the attention of the Security Council and that such Condemnations should have their use restricted to nations that commit the most egregious transgressions in order to not diminish its value,

CONFIRMING that such relatively minor infractions should not be forever immortalized in the halls of the Security Council,

WISHING TO altogether strike down a Condemnation that could be easily applied to many nations across the world,

HEREBY REPEALS SC#107.


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No. Two wrongs don't make a right. The Republic of the Shadow Brotherhood has complete indifference regarding the fact that other nations have gotten away with breaking the rules (regarding, of course, this current case). It is true, we can never punish every perpetrator, especially for relatively minor things, but if we strive for perfection, we can achieve excellence. Lowering our standards will not fix the problem, only help us pretend it does not exist. If we wish not to completely discredit ourselves, we must punish those in violation of the rules, as best as we can. We are--despite the fact that I understand and respect your point of view-- voting against.
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Postby Darussalam » Sun Jun 02, 2013 12:21 am

Support with my WA nation. Equalize Hippostania with Ralkovia, Milograd and the Kraven Corporation is downright stupid and I doubt if Hippo ICly is a WA member.
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Postby Grad Duchy of Luxembourg » Sun Jun 02, 2013 4:41 am

Yorkopolis wrote:
Demphor wrote:
Upon reading the resolution, it has nothing to do on his ideology, just what he's done by violating other nations rights. In response he also locked up all the diplomats of nations who voted for the resolution.

And thusly causing a major international diplomatic crisis in which many large nations intervened and blockaded Hippostania, almost sparking a major war that was averted at the last possible moment.

Hippostania has gravely violated WA resolutions, and instead of repealing it "because there's other nations out there that also deserve these resolutions but aren't condemned", we should be condemning these nations as well, instead of wasting our time here arguing about how a nation that detains any type of leftists and any opposition to the government in the Anzere Correctional Detention Facility, or, better to say, a concentration camp, doesn't deserve a condemnation.

Voting wholeheartedly against, and will never vote for this resolution, Hippostania does not deserve a repeal of its condemnation after such ridiculous acts were committed, after sparking such a ridiculous international crisis, violating the diplomatic immunity of ambassadors, and much much more.

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Postby Gordano and Lysandus » Sun Jun 02, 2013 6:13 am

Considering the members of the Security Council are rejecting a dealing with Hippostanian crimes through diplomatic channels, would they rather the war sparked up again?
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Postby SkyDip » Sun Jun 02, 2013 6:31 am

Gordano and Lysandus wrote:Considering the members of the Security Council are rejecting a dealing with Hippostanian crimes through diplomatic channels, would they rather the war sparked up again?

I think it's safe to say (though I certainly can't speak for all SC regulars) that most of the SC regulars couldn't care less about an RP war and are more concerned with gameplay actions, on the whole.
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Frisbeeteria wrote:What Skydip said. This bitchfest is an embarrassment to the Security Council.

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Postby Virana » Sun Jun 02, 2013 6:40 am

SkyDip wrote:
Gordano and Lysandus wrote:Considering the members of the Security Council are rejecting a dealing with Hippostanian crimes through diplomatic channels, would they rather the war sparked up again?

I think it's safe to say (though I certainly can't speak for all SC regulars) that most of the SC regulars couldn't care less about an RP war and are more concerned with gameplay actions, on the whole.

I personally am not nearly as concerned with the RP aspect of it as I am the part that essentially legalizes nullification of WA resolutions. I RP, I'm in Hippo's region, and I had some minor involvement in the crisis that ensued. I do think it's alright to repeal the given condemnation; however, the reasons for doing so are not adequate and, in my opinion, pave the way for future violations that prompt no WA response.

Now an honest question: Is this going to be a way to eliminate RPers from being condemned by WASC?
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Postby Yorkopolis » Sun Jun 02, 2013 6:57 am

Gordano and Lysandus wrote:Considering the members of the Security Council are rejecting a dealing with Hippostanian crimes through diplomatic channels, would they rather the war sparked up again?

Nobody would, but it seems it is the only possible path to deal with the Hippostanian crimes right now. By repealing this resolution, which was specifically aimed at condemning a nation that has, many, many times, violated WA resolutions gravely, we are lowering our standards, making dictators all around the world think "oh, hey, the WA is letting Hippostania go off with political prisoners, so let's do even more repression!" We're just lowering our standards, making ourselves look even wittier, now is that what we want?

If this resolution passes, then I'm afraid the only road to dealing with Hippostanian crimes would be the road of war.
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Sun Jun 02, 2013 7:03 am

Yorkopolis wrote:
Gordano and Lysandus wrote:Considering the members of the Security Council are rejecting a dealing with Hippostanian crimes through diplomatic channels, would they rather the war sparked up again?

Nobody would, but it seems it is the only possible path to deal with the Hippostanian crimes right now. By repealing this resolution, which was specifically aimed at condemning a nation that has, many, many times, violated WA resolutions gravely, we are lowering our standards, making dictators all around the world think "oh, hey, the WA is letting Hippostania go off with political prisoners, so let's do even more repression!" We're just lowering our standards, making ourselves look even wittier, now is that what we want?

If this resolution passes, then I'm afraid the only road to dealing with Hippostanian crimes would be the road of war.

It's passing because WA sheeple. :v Tragic-comedic farce. All for somebody's ego in getting a shiny new badge.
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Postby SkyDip » Sun Jun 02, 2013 8:02 am

Virana wrote:
SkyDip wrote:I think it's safe to say (though I certainly can't speak for all SC regulars) that most of the SC regulars couldn't care less about an RP war and are more concerned with gameplay actions, on the whole.

I personally am not nearly as concerned with the RP aspect of it as I am the part that essentially legalizes nullification of WA resolutions. I RP, I'm in Hippo's region, and I had some minor involvement in the crisis that ensued. I do think it's alright to repeal the given condemnation; however, the reasons for doing so are not adequate and, in my opinion, pave the way for future violations that prompt no WA response.

Now an honest question: Is this going to be a way to eliminate RPers from being condemned by WASC?

I don't believe so. Well-written RP condemnations (of which Condemn Hippostania is not) pass the SC with some of the best approval ratings of any legislation to pass through here (i.e. Condemn Ralkovia) as well as Milograd's Condemnations. Certainly, it's much harder to pass RP Condemnations, but no, I don't think this will eliminate them altogether.

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:It's passing because WA sheeple. :v Tragic-comedic farce. All for somebody's ego in getting a shiny new badge.

Yeah, all 10,000+ of the sheeple. :roll: And nobody gets a badge out this, you realize?
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Gordano and Lysandus wrote:SkyDip's actions have, ultimately, destroyed the World Assembly.

Eist wrote:Yea... If you are just going to casually dismiss SkyDip's advice, you are probably not going to get very far at all.

Sedgistan wrote:SkyDip is trying to help, and is giving sound advice. I'd suggestion listening to him, as he has experience of writing (and advising others with) legal proposals.

Frisbeeteria wrote:What Skydip said. This bitchfest is an embarrassment to the Security Council.

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Postby The Republic of Lanos » Sun Jun 02, 2013 8:05 am

SkyDip wrote:And nobody gets a badge out this, you realize?

For authoring a repeal, you get something. ;)

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Postby SkyDip » Sun Jun 02, 2013 8:08 am

The Republic of Lanos wrote:
SkyDip wrote:And nobody gets a badge out this, you realize?

For authoring a repeal, you get something. ;)

Nothing I don't already have.
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Gordano and Lysandus wrote:SkyDip's actions have, ultimately, destroyed the World Assembly.

Eist wrote:Yea... If you are just going to casually dismiss SkyDip's advice, you are probably not going to get very far at all.

Sedgistan wrote:SkyDip is trying to help, and is giving sound advice. I'd suggestion listening to him, as he has experience of writing (and advising others with) legal proposals.

Frisbeeteria wrote:What Skydip said. This bitchfest is an embarrassment to the Security Council.

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Postby SkyDip » Sun Jun 02, 2013 9:02 am

Repeal "Condemn Hippostania" was passed 10,319 votes to 1,997. Thank you to all who supported this measure.
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Gordano and Lysandus wrote:SkyDip's actions have, ultimately, destroyed the World Assembly.

Eist wrote:Yea... If you are just going to casually dismiss SkyDip's advice, you are probably not going to get very far at all.

Sedgistan wrote:SkyDip is trying to help, and is giving sound advice. I'd suggestion listening to him, as he has experience of writing (and advising others with) legal proposals.

Frisbeeteria wrote:What Skydip said. This bitchfest is an embarrassment to the Security Council.

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Postby The Republic of Lanos » Sun Jun 02, 2013 9:18 am

Nullification of WA resolutions is now legal? Sweet. ;)

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Postby Solorni » Sun Jun 02, 2013 9:55 am

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Postby Gordano and Lysandus » Sun Jun 02, 2013 10:37 am

It is very regretful that this has happened.

Discussions will now have to made about alternate courses of action to be taken in dealing with Hippostania's crimes.
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Sun Jun 02, 2013 11:56 am

SkyDip wrote:Repeal "Condemn Hippostania" was passed 10,319 votes to 1,997. Thank you to all who supported this measure.

Acta est fabula, plaudite. Also, pin this to your head.
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Postby SkyDip » Sun Jun 02, 2013 11:58 am

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
SkyDip wrote:Repeal "Condemn Hippostania" was passed 10,319 votes to 1,997. Thank you to all who supported this measure.

Acta est fabula, plaudite. Also, pin this to your head.
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Congratz.

Quite. You may all return to II now. :lol:
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Gordano and Lysandus wrote:SkyDip's actions have, ultimately, destroyed the World Assembly.

Eist wrote:Yea... If you are just going to casually dismiss SkyDip's advice, you are probably not going to get very far at all.

Sedgistan wrote:SkyDip is trying to help, and is giving sound advice. I'd suggestion listening to him, as he has experience of writing (and advising others with) legal proposals.

Frisbeeteria wrote:What Skydip said. This bitchfest is an embarrassment to the Security Council.

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Postby Virana » Sun Jun 02, 2013 12:14 pm

Technically, if any RPers want to deal with Hippostania, then they don't have to go to war. Since it's now apparently legal to nullify WA resolutions selectively, you can basically not recognize this specific one and no one could take action against you for it.

Realistically though, I'm in Hippo's region, Pardes. We're not willing to allow another huge-ass coalition of foreigners to enter the region to invade Hippo again. If anything happens, it'll be nations in the Pardes region taking action. Don't get me wrong, I'm on your side - but you also have to understand the clusterfuck that happened just miles away from me last time.

I'm requesting this as a nation in Pardes OOCly - please, no one invade Hippostania.
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Postby Milograd » Sun Jun 02, 2013 12:51 pm

SkyDip wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:Acta est fabula, plaudite. Also, pin this to your head.
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Quite. You may all return to II now. :lol:

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