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[PASSED] Repeal "Condemn Hippostania"

Postby SkyDip » Fri May 24, 2013 2:48 pm

Repeal "Condemn Hippostania"

Category: Condemnation | Nominee: SC#107 | Proposed By: SkyDip

Description: The Security Council,

RECOGNIZING the World Assembly as a sovereign and governing body of the member nations therein,

REALIZING that many nations which hold membership in the World Assembly are in violation, intentionally or otherwise, of some laws passed by the General Assembly,

BELIEVING that it is fully unrealistic to expect all nations in the WA to comply to the letter of every mandate, law, and sub-council given power in these halls,

FURTHER BELIEVING that Hippostania exaggerated tales of their WA transgressions and that the nation in question sought a Security Council Condemnation as a tool of notoriety and fame,

NOTING that Hippostania has not carried out any unique or particularly world-affecting misdeeds as characterized in SC#107 and that many of the crimes mentioned have been trumped-up with extravagant claims and information provided by Hippostania, a practice highly discouraged in the Security Council,

COGNISANT that far more evil nations exist in the world that deserve the attention of the Security Council and that such Condemnations should have their use restricted to nations that commit the most egregious transgressions in order to not diminish its value,

CONFIRMING that such relatively minor infractions should not be forever immortalized in the halls of the Security Council,

WISHING TO altogether strike down a Condemnation that could be easily applied to many nations across the world,

HEREBY REPEALS SC#107.


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Gordano and Lysandus wrote:SkyDip's actions have, ultimately, destroyed the World Assembly.

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Sedgistan wrote:SkyDip is trying to help, and is giving sound advice. I'd suggestion listening to him, as he has experience of writing (and advising others with) legal proposals.

Frisbeeteria wrote:What Skydip said. This bitchfest is an embarrassment to the Security Council.

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Postby Eist » Fri May 24, 2013 4:34 pm

A lot of fluff in response to an, admittedly, fluffy condemnation. This is really the only substance in your proposal. I've tightened it a little, too. Pro bono :P

Description: The Security Council,

BELIEVING that Hippostania exaggerated their WA transgressions to seek a Security Council Condemnation for notoriety and fame,

NOTING that Hippostania has not accomplished any original or world-affecting transgressions as characterized in SC#107 and that those mentioned have been embellished with claims provided by Hippostania itself, a practice highly discouraged in the Security Council,

COGNISANT that far wickeder nations exist in the world that deserve the attention of the Security Council and that such Condemnations should have their use restricted to nations that commit the most egregious transgressions in order to not diminish its value,

BELIEVING that such relatively minor infractions as committed by Hippostania should not be immortalized in the halls of the Security Council,

HEREBY REPEALS SC#107.
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Postby SkyDip » Fri May 24, 2013 4:41 pm

fight fluff with fluff - that's always been my family motto. :p
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Gordano and Lysandus wrote:SkyDip's actions have, ultimately, destroyed the World Assembly.

Eist wrote:Yea... If you are just going to casually dismiss SkyDip's advice, you are probably not going to get very far at all.

Sedgistan wrote:SkyDip is trying to help, and is giving sound advice. I'd suggestion listening to him, as he has experience of writing (and advising others with) legal proposals.

Frisbeeteria wrote:What Skydip said. This bitchfest is an embarrassment to the Security Council.

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Postby Feux » Fri May 24, 2013 10:31 pm

Frankly, I couldn't care what is in the repeal for this resolution. It needs to be repealed. :P

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Postby Solorni » Sat May 25, 2013 5:41 am

I'm for as well :)
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Postby San Leggera » Sat May 25, 2013 5:44 am

I am also in support.
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Postby Sassinia » Sun May 26, 2013 4:21 am

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Postby SkyDip » Sun May 26, 2013 3:48 pm

Well, if there aren't any huge qualms one way or another, I'll try to stick this in queue sometime this week.
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Gordano and Lysandus wrote:SkyDip's actions have, ultimately, destroyed the World Assembly.

Eist wrote:Yea... If you are just going to casually dismiss SkyDip's advice, you are probably not going to get very far at all.

Sedgistan wrote:SkyDip is trying to help, and is giving sound advice. I'd suggestion listening to him, as he has experience of writing (and advising others with) legal proposals.

Frisbeeteria wrote:What Skydip said. This bitchfest is an embarrassment to the Security Council.

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Postby B Wolf » Sun May 26, 2013 3:58 pm

I'm for it since this dude is writing it.

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Postby Cerlon » Sun May 26, 2013 6:00 pm

I support this.
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Postby Warzone Codger » Sun May 26, 2013 9:27 pm

I am glad I'm delegate again to vote for this when it comes up.
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Postby SkyDip » Mon May 27, 2013 3:43 pm

Bump for submission after what I have deemed to be sufficient discussion of this matter. :p
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Gordano and Lysandus wrote:SkyDip's actions have, ultimately, destroyed the World Assembly.

Eist wrote:Yea... If you are just going to casually dismiss SkyDip's advice, you are probably not going to get very far at all.

Sedgistan wrote:SkyDip is trying to help, and is giving sound advice. I'd suggestion listening to him, as he has experience of writing (and advising others with) legal proposals.

Frisbeeteria wrote:What Skydip said. This bitchfest is an embarrassment to the Security Council.

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Postby Eist » Mon May 27, 2013 10:54 pm

You didn't like my rewrite? :( Is it because I called you out on the liberation resolution? :P
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Postby WA Campaigning » Tue May 28, 2013 9:09 am

Eist wrote:You didn't like my rewrite? :( Is it because I called you out on the liberation resolution? :P

I used one of your lines! :p

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Postby Astracarn » Tue May 28, 2013 1:44 pm

Definitely for.

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Postby Vedastia » Tue May 28, 2013 1:55 pm

I support this. While I find Hippostania's actions deplorable, the condemnation of Hippostania by the World Assembly was entirely ideological. If Hippostania should be condemned, then all of the other WA nations that actively suppress political ideologies should be condemned for similar acts, regardless of ideology.
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Postby Jandaria » Tue May 28, 2013 1:57 pm

I support this as Hippostania is not the only nation to violate WA policies, etc. Heck, even my nation does it.
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Postby Kistan » Tue May 28, 2013 2:01 pm

I read up on the issue, and think this is an acceptable resolution. The only thing stopping me from joining the WA is my nation is still in the transfer between empire and Republic.
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Postby Demphor » Tue May 28, 2013 2:06 pm

SkyDip wrote:
Repeal "Condemn Hippostania"

Category: Condemnation | Nominee: SC#107 | Proposed By: SkyDip

Description: The Security Council,

RECOGNIZING the World Assembly as a sovereign and governing body of the member nations therein,

REALIZING that many nations which hold membership in the World Assembly are in violation, intentionally or otherwise, of some laws passed by the General Assembly,

BELIEVING that it is fully unrealistic to expect all nations in the WA to comply to the letter of every mandate, law, and sub-council given power in these halls,

FURTHER BELIEVING that Hippostania exaggerated tales of their WA transgressions and that the nation in question sought a Security Council Condemnation as a tool of notoriety and fame,

NOTING that Hippostania has not carried out any unique or particularly world-affecting misdeeds as characterized in SC#107 and that many of the crimes mentioned have been trumped-up with extravagant claims and information provided by Hippostania, a practice highly discouraged in the Security Council,

COGNISANT that far more evil nations exist in the world that deserve the attention of the Security Council and that such Condemnations should have their use restricted to nations that commit the most egregious transgressions in order to not diminish its value,

CONFIRMING that such relatively minor infractions should not be forever immortalized in the halls of the Security Council,

WISHING TO altogether strike down a Condemnation that could be easily applied to many nations across the world,

HEREBY REPEALS SC#107.


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Despite not being a WA member anymore, I am the author, and I am against this,

In response to it's passing, the Republic of Hippostania stormed Embassies and locked up Ambassadors of the nations who voted for this condemnation, violating diplomatic rights and causing an international crisis that involved many nations. In continuation, the RoH has not accepted the fact that it has violated the resolutions named in SC #107.


"WISHING TO altogether strike down a Condemnation that could be easily applied to many nations across the world,"

If those nations violate the same resolutions and are in the World Assembly, why aren't we condemning them? These resolutions are the pinacle of WA rights and if we are just going to let nations do this because of 'national sovereignty', why do we even bother having the WASC? Just because you're an independent WA nation does not mean to you get to violate the resolutions at hand.
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Postby Vistulange » Tue May 28, 2013 2:26 pm

Not that I am a WA member, but Demphor has a point. If every nation does it, does that make it correct? The job of the SC is to condemn those who should be condemned. Do your jobs, and instead of repealing the condemnation of a clearly guilty member, condemn every guilty member.
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Postby SkyDip » Tue May 28, 2013 2:49 pm

Vistulange wrote:Not that I am a WA member, but Demphor has a point. If every nation does it, does that make it correct? The job of the SC is to condemn those who should be condemned. Do your jobs, and instead of repealing the condemnation of a clearly guilty member, condemn every guilty member.

First off, I find it amusing you think it's my "job" to condemn every nation in the world who has violated a WA law as an SC author. How about you get in here and do some of that work if you think it's some kind of mandatory labor? Keep such enormously poor opinions to yourself, or present yourself more clearly, please.

Condemning every member who has violated any WA law would mean, basically, everyone in NS warfare would have a badge. That's not practically, nor necessary. It makes much more sense to repeal this resolution than go and seek out every member who has committed some violation of WA law, and I think both the author of the original resolution and the enlightened ambassador from Vistulange would agree to that.
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Gordano and Lysandus wrote:SkyDip's actions have, ultimately, destroyed the World Assembly.

Eist wrote:Yea... If you are just going to casually dismiss SkyDip's advice, you are probably not going to get very far at all.

Sedgistan wrote:SkyDip is trying to help, and is giving sound advice. I'd suggestion listening to him, as he has experience of writing (and advising others with) legal proposals.

Frisbeeteria wrote:What Skydip said. This bitchfest is an embarrassment to the Security Council.

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Postby Demphor » Tue May 28, 2013 3:19 pm

SkyDip wrote:
Vistulange wrote:Not that I am a WA member, but Demphor has a point. If every nation does it, does that make it correct? The job of the SC is to condemn those who should be condemned. Do your jobs, and instead of repealing the condemnation of a clearly guilty member, condemn every guilty member.

First off, I find it amusing you think it's my "job" to condemn every nation in the world who has violated a WA law as an SC author. How about you get in here and do some of that work if you think it's some kind of mandatory labor? Keep such enormously poor opinions to yourself, or present yourself more clearly, please.

Condemning every member who has violated any WA law would mean, basically, everyone in NS warfare would have a badge. That's not practically, nor necessary. It makes much more sense to repeal this resolution than go and seek out every member who has committed some violation of WA law, and I think both the author of the original resolution and the enlightened ambassador from Vistulange would agree to that.


Then condemn us if you'd like, do it, it's the job the WASC to be efficient in laying down the laws set forth by the WAGA, do the job the WASC was meant to do, set things right and enforce the authority of the WASC over the WA member-states.

Hell if you want me back in there writing condemnation resolutions then ask me to and I'll gladly do it,
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Postby Kistan » Tue May 28, 2013 3:23 pm

SkyDip wrote:First off, I find it amusing you think it's my "job" to condemn every nation in the world who has violated a WA law as an SC author. How about you get in here and do some of that work if you think it's some kind of mandatory labor? Keep such enormously poor opinions to yourself, or present yourself more clearly, please.

Condemning every member who has violated any WA law would mean, basically, everyone in NS warfare would have a badge. That's not practically, nor necessary. It makes much more sense to repeal this resolution than go and seek out every member who has committed some violation of WA law, and I think both the author of the original resolution and the enlightened ambassador from Vistulange would agree to that.

I agree. This condemnation as it stands could be easily applied to half the hundred fifty or so people I have RPed with. The WA's resolution records are bad enough as it is, why clog up them up with a resolution for every war roleplayer on the website?
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Postby SkyDip » Tue May 28, 2013 3:27 pm

Kistan wrote:
SkyDip wrote:First off, I find it amusing you think it's my "job" to condemn every nation in the world who has violated a WA law as an SC author. How about you get in here and do some of that work if you think it's some kind of mandatory labor? Keep such enormously poor opinions to yourself, or present yourself more clearly, please.

Condemning every member who has violated any WA law would mean, basically, everyone in NS warfare would have a badge. That's not practically, nor necessary. It makes much more sense to repeal this resolution than go and seek out every member who has committed some violation of WA law, and I think both the author of the original resolution and the enlightened ambassador from Vistulange would agree to that.

I agree. This condemnation as it stands could be easily applied to half the hundred fifty or so people I have RPed with. The WA's resolution records are bad enough as it is, why clog up them up with a resolution for every war roleplayer on the website?

My thoughts precisely.

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SkyDip wrote:First off, I find it amusing you think it's my "job" to condemn every nation in the world who has violated a WA law as an SC author. How about you get in here and do some of that work if you think it's some kind of mandatory labor? Keep such enormously poor opinions to yourself, or present yourself more clearly, please.

Condemning every member who has violated any WA law would mean, basically, everyone in NS warfare would have a badge. That's not practically, nor necessary. It makes much more sense to repeal this resolution than go and seek out every member who has committed some violation of WA law, and I think both the author of the original resolution and the enlightened ambassador from Vistulange would agree to that.


Then condemn us if you'd like, do it, it's the job the WASC to be efficient in laying down the laws set forth by the WAGA, do the job the WASC was meant to do, set things right and enforce the authority of the WASC over the WA member-states.

Hell if you want me back in there writing condemnation resolutions then ask me to and I'll gladly do it,

I /don't/ want to "condemn [you]" all - that's exactly the point. The SC Condemnation is not meant to be an exhaustive list for every RP'er who has committed some crime. As has been stated previously, that would be ridiculous in the scope and scale. Furthermore, literally anyone can RP some nation who breaks every WA law - doing it well and for proper reasoning, ala Milograd, should be recognized, not every person who has started an RP war.
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Gordano and Lysandus wrote:SkyDip's actions have, ultimately, destroyed the World Assembly.

Eist wrote:Yea... If you are just going to casually dismiss SkyDip's advice, you are probably not going to get very far at all.

Sedgistan wrote:SkyDip is trying to help, and is giving sound advice. I'd suggestion listening to him, as he has experience of writing (and advising others with) legal proposals.

Frisbeeteria wrote:What Skydip said. This bitchfest is an embarrassment to the Security Council.

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Postby Terravoss » Wed May 29, 2013 12:36 am

Do you really have nothing better to do with your time? Hippo was condemned for damn good reasons, so why can't the fucking condemnation just stand?
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