Creationism vs. Evolution in School

[Josh Beaty]

Evolution has gained wide support in the past century and has creeped its way into the school system in such a way that Creationism is frowned upon and not taught in school anymore. In a society where everyone wants scientific proof before students learn the material, topics such as the 'Big Bang Theory' receive outright support without complete scientific proof. There just seems to be a bias towards Creationism because its roots lay in religion. Can you share your viewpoint for or against Creationism and/or Evolution?

[Coccygia]

There is a great deal of scientific evidence for both Evolution and The Big Bang*. There is absolutely none whatever for Creationism. There is not even any invalid positive evidence for Creationism; the argument is always "Evolution can't explain this or that (i.e. something I don't understand the scientific explanation for)."

EDIT: Except occasionally somebody comes up with something like the Paluxy footprints, which were admitted to be a hoax by the guy who made them.

*The cosmic microwave background radiation, for one. That convinced even Fred Hoyle, at least for a while.

[Byzantium Imperial]

If im spending tax dollars on some unfrateful kids education their most likely going to forget, i prefer they at least be taught correct information. Evolution for the win!

[Farnhamia]

Evolution has gained wide support in the past century and has creeped its way into the school system in such a way that Creationism is frowned upon and not taught in school anymore. In a society where everyone wants scientific proof before students learn the material, topics such as the 'Big Bang Theory' receive outright support without complete scientific proof. There just seems to be a bias towards Creationism because its roots lay in religion. Can you share your viewpoint for or against Creationism and/or Evolution?

A bias against, not towards. ANd creationism has no evidence supporting it, so, well, yeah, evolution is the better option. The only option, really.

[NERVUN]

There's no evidence in the slightest for creationism, there is reams for evolution (Which has nothing to do with the big bang). You're right, we need to put things in front of kids that have scientific backing and creationism has none, nada, zero, 零.

[Farnhamia]

If im spending tax dollars on some unfrateful kids education their most likely going to forget, i prefer they at least be taught correct information. Evolution for the win!

English teachers everywhere just burst into tears for no accountable reason.

[Nadkor]

One of these things is actual, like, fact (or as close as) and should be taught in science classes and stuff.

The other is creationism.

[Farnhamia]

There's no evidence in the slightest for creationism, there is reams for evolution (Which has nothing to do with the big bang). You're right, we need to put things in front of kids that have scientific backing and creationism has none, nada, zero, 零.

So many brush strokes for zero.

[Ifreann]

Sweet, time to be right for ~80 pages.

There's no evidence in the slightest for creationism, there is reams for evolution (Which has nothing to do with the big bang). You're right, we need to put things in front of kids that have scientific backing and creationism has none, nada, zero, 零.

That last one is so little my computer can't even display it!

[NERVUN]

There's no evidence in the slightest for creationism, there is reams for evolution (Which has nothing to do with the big bang). You're right, we need to put things in front of kids that have scientific backing and creationism has none, nada, zero, 零.

So many brush strokes for zero.

Which is why most Japanese don't even use it anymore.

[Phocidaea]

Evolution is a well-proven scientific fact, unless you're one of those wackos who thinks fossils and whatnot were planted by Satan, and then you're so insane we have no reason to pay attention.

Creationism is a pseudoscience with no supporting evidence or experimental conclusions based on the creation myth of one particular religious tradition. If we're gonna teach Creationism we should also teach the creation myths of every religion on Earth, since that's all it is.

[Blazedtown]

One of these things is actual, like, fact (or as close as) and should be taught in science classes and stuff.

The other is creationism.

But I don't understand it, and if I can't understand it, it can't be real. Now an all knowing, all seeing, all powerful invisible being that rules over all of us and created us in a week, now that makes sense.

[Disserbia]

There is a great deal of scientific evidence for both Evolution and The Big Bang*. There is absolutely none whatever for Creationism. There is not even any invalid positive evidence for Creationism; the argument is always "Evolution can't explain this or that (i.e. something I don't understand the scientific explanation for)."

EDIT: Except occasionally somebody comes up with something like the Paluxy footprints, which were admitted to be a hoax by the guy who made them.

*The cosmic microwave background radiation, for one. That convinced even Fred Hoyle, at least for a while.

I agree with you on evolution, Big Bang not so much but it is becomming more credible especially since the discovery of the highs boson. I don't think religion belongs in school unless it in an objective theology, sociology, history, or anthropology class. It certainly does not belong anywhere near the hard sciences.

[Regnum Dominae]

Evolution. This shouldn't even be a debate.

[Threlizdun]

It is the duty of science and history classes to teach science and history, not the inane ramblings of religious fundamentalists.

[NERVUN]

It certainly does not belong anywhere near the hard sciences.

But... but...

Sorry, couldn't resist.

[Coccygia]

Evolution. This shouldn't even be a debate.

But bashing Creationism is so much fun. Because Creationists rarely know the first thing about...well, anything that could be reasonably called a science.

[Icamera]

Evolution has gained wide support in the past century and has creeped its way into the school system in such a way that Creationism is frowned upon and not taught in school anymore. In a society where everyone wants scientific proof before students learn the material, topics such as the 'Big Bang Theory' receive outright support without complete scientific proof. There just seems to be a bias towards Creationism because its roots lay in religion. Can you share your viewpoint for or against Creationism and/or Evolution?

I'm a deist, so what I say should be taken with a grain of salt, but I don't believe the existence a non-scientific cause of the Big Bang and the existence of natural selection aren't mutually exclusive. Deism is like 1% creationism and 99% quasi-atheism, but it's the closest belief I've ever heard of to reconciling the two.

Anyway, there is absolutely no reason that creationism should be taught in school. For one, a bunch of crazy Tennessee teachers not far removed from the good ol' Scopes Monkey Trial days tend to emphasize it instead of evolution (or bash Darwin and call that "covering" evolution in class); but more importantly, it is inherently in violation of the First Amendment unless every single faith's version of creation is covered. Leave anything out, and that counts as promoting a state religion unless it's a private school.

And yes, that includes Scientology.

[Tlaceceyaya]

Evolution has gained wide support in the past century and has creeped its way into the school system in such a way that Creationism is frowned upon and not taught in school anymore. In a society where everyone wants scientific proof before students learn the material, topics such as the 'Big Bang Theory' receive outright support without complete scientific proof. There just seems to be a bias towards Creationism because its roots lay in religion. Can you share your viewpoint for or against Creationism and/or Evolution?

I'm a deist, so what I say should be taken with a grain of salt, but I don't believe the existence a non-scientific cause of the Big Bang and the existence of natural selection aren't mutually exclusive. Deism is like 1% creationism and 99% quasi-atheism, but it's the closest belief I've ever heard of to reconciling the two.

Anyway, there is absolutely no reason that creationism should be taught in school. For one, a bunch of crazy Tennessee teachers not far removed from the good ol' Scopes Monkey Trial days tend to emphasize it instead of evolution (or bash Darwin and call that "covering" evolution in class); but more importantly, it is inherently in violation of the First Amendment unless every single faith's version of creation is covered. Leave anything out, and that counts as promoting a state religion unless it's a private school.

And yes, that includes Scientology.

The truth need not lie halfway between two extremes. Clicky.

[Gaiaopolis]

We obviously have lots of proof of the big bang and evolution, and creationism is a religious thing. It has no evidence to back it up, and theres a separation of church and state. So yeah.

[Farnhamia]

It certainly does not belong anywhere near the hard sciences.

But... but...

Sorry, couldn't resist.

Bon Dieu! That's physics, not biology.

[Josh Beaty]

Byzantium Imperial wrote: If im spending tax dollars on some unfrateful kids education their most likely going to forget, i prefer they at least be taught correct information. Evolution for the win!

Why do we not give students the information and let them decide what information they believe and want to spend their lives proving or disproving? They are supposedly our future and have all of the advances in science and technology. For hundreds of years it was believed that everything revolved around the Earth. Many people thought there was outstanding evidence to prove in their favor. Now we know otherwise.

[Xsyne]

Byzantium Imperial wrote: If im spending tax dollars on some unfrateful kids education their most likely going to forget, i prefer they at least be taught correct information. Evolution for the win!

Why do we not give students the information and let them decide what information they believe and want to spend their lives proving or disproving? They are supposedly our future and have all of the advances in science and technology. For hundreds of years it was believed that everything revolved around the Earth. Many people thought there was outstanding evidence to prove in their favor. Now we know otherwise.

We do give them information and let them make their own decisions.

[Blazedtown]

Byzantium Imperial wrote: If im spending tax dollars on some unfrateful kids education their most likely going to forget, i prefer they at least be taught correct information. Evolution for the win!

Why do we not give students the information and let them decide what information they believe and want to spend their lives proving or disproving? They are supposedly our future and have all of the advances in science and technology. For hundreds of years it was believed that everything revolved around the Earth. Many people thought there was outstanding evidence to prove in their favor. Now we know otherwise.

Should we let them decide if pi=3 if they want it to?

[Farnhamia]

Why do we not give students the information and let them decide what information they believe and want to spend their lives proving or disproving? They are supposedly our future and have all of the advances in science and technology. For hundreds of years it was believed that everything revolved around the Earth. Many people thought there was outstanding evidence to prove in their favor. Now we know otherwise.

Should we let them decide if pi=3 if they want it to?

Sure, but I'm not hiring any of them to build anything for me.