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Do you support circumcision?

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No
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Other (Please Explain)
36
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The United Communist Solar Republic
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Postby The United Communist Solar Republic » Mon May 06, 2013 9:40 pm

I noticed this topic hasn't existed here since November, so I decided to bring it up again (Because we're desperately in need of a new thread not regarding Golden Dawn, Gun Control, Abortion, or Ebul Feminazi Obama Commie Murderers).

Anyway, so far the UN, the WHO, NPWJ, the DFF, ForwardUK, EqualityNow, etc. (this list could go on forever) have all recognised and condemned FGM (Female Gential Mutilation) as a human rights abuse, yet not one of these organizations have recognised circumcision as a human rights violation, even though it is easily comparable to FGM. It has been proven time and time again that having foreskin is more beneficial than being circumcised, and yet for some reason people still keep circumcising their babies. Then there's still the matter of consent, which a baby of course can not give, along with the matter of why people circumcise their children in the first place. I mean, unless you're a Jew, there should be no logical reason to do it. In the 1800's, it was done to stop teenagers from masturbating, but that obviously hasn't done it. Then there's the matter of females preferring circumcised penises over uncircumcised penises, but that can be turned back at them as if a man prefers mutilated viginas, people will think he's a monster, but if a woman prefers circumcised penises, it's considered okay.

TL;DR No logical reason to do circumcision, unless you're Jewish, and it provides no benefits except slightly less chance of infection.

So NSG, what's your opinion? I think you can already tell what mine is.

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Postby The Islands of Equality » Mon May 06, 2013 9:43 pm

I don't have an official stance on the topic, it's up to the parents to decide on whether or not they want to circumcise their child or not.
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Postby Saint Jade IV » Mon May 06, 2013 9:43 pm

I don't feel that there is a logical reason to do it if you are a Jew.

The only reasons it should be done is for medical necessity.
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Postby Vazdania » Mon May 06, 2013 9:43 pm

The United Communist Solar Republic wrote:I noticed this topic hasn't existed here since November, so I decided to bring it up again (Because we're desperately in need of a new thread not regarding Golden Dawn, Gun Control, Abortion, or Ebul Feminazi Obama Commie Murderers).

Anyway, so far the UN, the WHO, NPWJ, the DFF, ForwardUK, EqualityNow, etc. (this list could go on forever) have all recognised and condemned FGM (Female Gential Mutilation) as a human rights abuse, yet not one of these organizations have recognised circumcision as a human rights violation, even though it is easily comparable to FGM. It has been proven time and time again that having foreskin is more beneficial than being circumcised, and yet for some reason people still keep circumcising their babies. Then there's still the matter of consent, which a baby of course can not give, along with the matter of why people circumcise their children in the first place. I mean, unless you're a Jew, there should be no logical reason to do it. In the 1800's, it was done to stop teenagers from masturbating, but that obviously hasn't done it. Then there's the matter of females preferring circumcised penises over uncircumcised penises, but that can be turned back at them as if a man prefers mutilated viginas, people will think he's a monster, but if a woman prefers circumcised penises, it's considered okay.

TL;DR No logical reason to do circumcision, unless you're Jewish, and it provides no benefits except slightly less chance of infection.

So NSG, what's your opinion? I think you can already tell what mine is.

It decreases the chance of having Penial Cancer. Furthermore its tradition in more than just the Jewish Culture.
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Postby Page » Mon May 06, 2013 9:44 pm

I'm against all forms of genital mutilation. I'm against female genital mutilation, I'm against male genital mutilation, and I'm against coercive genital mutilation of intersex newborns to force them into a dyadic sex assignment. All are equally disgusting.
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Postby Gideus » Mon May 06, 2013 9:46 pm

IIRC I'm male, Jewish, and cut.

Being Jewish is no reason for it to be logical. I personally have no problem with the fact that I was cut (When you are below a certain age, certain things are beyond your control and all that) but I can definitely see why some people would have a problem with it.

This is another reason for stem cell research: Restoration of the foreskin through stem cells!
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Postby New haven america » Mon May 06, 2013 9:47 pm

Unless you medically(There are reasons), I don't get why people do it.
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Postby Uelvan » Mon May 06, 2013 9:47 pm

The United Communist Solar Republic wrote:I noticed this topic hasn't existed here since November, so I decided to bring it up again (Because we're desperately in need of a new thread not regarding Golden Dawn, Gun Control, Abortion, or Ebul Feminazi Obama Commie Murderers).

Anyway, so far the UN, the WHO, NPWJ, the DFF, ForwardUK, EqualityNow, etc. (this list could go on forever) have all recognised and condemned FGM (Female Gential Mutilation) as a human rights abuse, yet not one of these organizations have recognised circumcision as a human rights violation, even though it is easily comparable to FGM. It has been proven time and time again that having foreskin is more beneficial than being circumcised, and yet for some reason people still keep circumcising their babies. Then there's still the matter of consent, which a baby of course can not give, along with the matter of why people circumcise their children in the first place. I mean, unless you're a Jew, there should be no logical reason to do it. In the 1800's, it was done to stop teenagers from masturbating, but that obviously hasn't done it. Then there's the matter of females preferring circumcised penises over uncircumcised penises, but that can be turned back at them as if a man prefers mutilated viginas, people will think he's a monster, but if a woman prefers circumcised penises, it's considered okay.

TL;DR No logical reason to do circumcision, unless you're Jewish, and it provides no benefits except slightly less chance of infection.

So NSG, what's your opinion? I think you can already tell what mine is.


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Postby Wind in the Willows » Mon May 06, 2013 9:47 pm

The newborn can't consent to having his penis skin cut off.

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Postby Lucius Valentine » Mon May 06, 2013 9:48 pm

I've been circumcised, and although it hasn't affected me personally, I don't support it. A child shouldn't have their genitals cut unless there's a good reason for it, and if there isn't it should be their choice, which they can't make as an infant.
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Postby Vazdania » Mon May 06, 2013 9:48 pm

Wind in the Willows wrote:The newborn can't consent to having his penis skin cut off.

well neither can they consent to being burped....but we still do it.
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Postby Gideus » Mon May 06, 2013 9:48 pm

New haven america wrote:Unless you medically(There are reasons), I don't get why people do it.


There are medical reasons that apply to most people (infection, Penial cancer I believe) but for the most part, through proper care, those are already taken care of.
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Postby Gideus » Mon May 06, 2013 9:49 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Wind in the Willows wrote:The newborn can't consent to having his penis skin cut off.

well neither can they consent to being burped....but we still do it.


That is a shitty comparison.

Cutting a part of their body off that will never grow back is completely different from burping a baby. That's like saying "Oh, well it's ok to cut his foot off without his consent because it's ok to give him CPR without his consent."
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Postby The Islands of Equality » Mon May 06, 2013 9:50 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Wind in the Willows wrote:The newborn can't consent to having his penis skin cut off.

well neither can they consent to being burped....but we still do it.


That's why I don't see why circumscision is a big deal, when the child grows into an adult they can decide on whether or not they would like to be circumscised. Also burping your infant is necessary, and if you don't burp your baby bad things can happen.
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Postby Vazdania » Mon May 06, 2013 9:53 pm

Gideus wrote:
Vazdania wrote:well neither can they consent to being burped....but we still do it.


That is a shitty comparison.

Cutting a part of their body off that will never grow back is completely different from burping a baby. That's like saying "Oh, well it's ok to cut his foot off without his consent because it's ok to give him CPR without his consent."

perhaps a better comparison is getting your legal name...You can't consent to it being given to you but your parents choose it for you anyways....
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Postby Page » Mon May 06, 2013 9:53 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Gideus wrote:
That is a shitty comparison.

Cutting a part of their body off that will never grow back is completely different from burping a baby. That's like saying "Oh, well it's ok to cut his foot off without his consent because it's ok to give him CPR without his consent."

perhaps a better comparison is getting your legal name...You can't consent to it being given to you but your parents choose it for you anyways....


Names can be changed, foreskins can't be regrown.
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Postby Haktiva » Mon May 06, 2013 9:54 pm

I'm pretty biased since I'm Hebrew. I actually have a few Gentile friends who are circumcised for health reasons. And it doesn't bug them.

It's not so bad. Besides, Jewish women wont touch anything that isn't 20% off.
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Postby Vazdania » Mon May 06, 2013 9:54 pm

Haktiva wrote:I'm pretty biased since I'm Hebrew. I actually have a few Gentile friends who are circumcised for health reasons. And it doesn't bug them.

It's not so bad. Besides, Jewish women wont touch anything that isn't 20% off.

:rofl:
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Postby The Islands of Equality » Mon May 06, 2013 9:54 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Gideus wrote:
That is a shitty comparison.

Cutting a part of their body off that will never grow back is completely different from burping a baby. That's like saying "Oh, well it's ok to cut his foot off without his consent because it's ok to give him CPR without his consent."

perhaps a better comparison is getting your legal name...You can't consent to it being given to you but your parents choose it for you anyways....


That's a decent comparison. Although there really isn't an option regarding naming your child, you kind of have to name your child, unlike circumscision which isn't necessary.
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Postby Vazdania » Mon May 06, 2013 9:55 pm

Page wrote:
Vazdania wrote:perhaps a better comparison is getting your legal name...You can't consent to it being given to you but your parents choose it for you anyways....


Names can be changed, foreskins can't be regrown.

yes they can via adult stem cells
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Postby The Sector Union » Mon May 06, 2013 9:55 pm

Thinking about circumcision creates a mental state of pain in your genetilia area.
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Postby Uelvan » Mon May 06, 2013 9:55 pm

I just don't see why getting rid of a useless piece of skin for slightly better health is a problem. I'd do anything, with in my power, to improve the health of my child.
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Postby Vazdania » Mon May 06, 2013 9:55 pm

The Islands of Equality wrote:
Vazdania wrote:perhaps a better comparison is getting your legal name...You can't consent to it being given to you but your parents choose it for you anyways....


That's a decent comparison. Although there really isn't an option regarding naming your child, you kind of have to name your child, unlike circumscision which isn't necessary.

meh.
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Postby Anachronous Rex » Mon May 06, 2013 9:58 pm

The Islands of Equality wrote:I don't have an official stance on the topic, it's up to the parents to decide on whether or not they want to circumcise their child or not.

I don't think it should be up to parents as to whether to permanently alter a part of their child's body, especially their sexual organs (which, I hear, people play a tremendous role in many people's self-image), for no good reason.

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Postby The Islands of Equality » Mon May 06, 2013 9:59 pm

Anachronous Rex wrote:
The Islands of Equality wrote:I don't have an official stance on the topic, it's up to the parents to decide on whether or not they want to circumcise their child or not.

I don't think it should be up to parents as to whether to permanently alter a part of their child's body, especially their sexual organs (which, I hear, people play a tremendous role in many people's self-image), for no good reason.

I'm funny that way.


You're right, I should probably edit my post, it was rather vague. I think circumscison is rather pointless unless its for medical reasons.
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