Sharia poll amongst Muslim people

[Technopolis]

If they all want it, so be it.

Populism is hardly the best way to go. Oppressing minorities doesn't make them go away, it just makes their lives hell.

[EnragedMaldivians]

If they all want it, so be it.

Populism is hardly the best way to go. Oppressing minorities doesn't make them go away, it just makes their lives hell.

Of course not. I'm perfectly fine with the rest of my country enforcing apostasy laws and demanding I follow their religion. Who am I to question the masses and demand such luxuries as religious freedom? Surely that would be most selfish of me.

[Al Meajilia]

I bet you even don't know a Hadith and I dare you to post a Hadith in fluent Arabic. And It is not allowed in Islam to force Islam on people, they must join it of their free will

Bukhari (52:260) - "...The Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him.' "

Tolerance with regard to conversion and tolerance with regard to apostasy/murtads is not the same. The Hanbali, Hanafi, Shaafi and Maliki madh'ab do not tolerate apostates.

I'd love to be wrong though, and for the Maldives' scholars and majority of its citizens to agree with you that Islam cannot be forced on an apostate. Perhaps you should take it up with the ulammah. Would make my life a lot easier.

Its not true unless I see it in Arabic, and not Google translated, and if it is in Arabic. The Hadeeth is not the Quran meaning it is not the word of God and would likely be false

[Tekrur]

I see my homecountrys name in Nationstates

[EnragedMaldivians]

Bukhari (52:260) - "...The Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him.' "

Tolerance with regard to conversion and tolerance with regard to apostasy/murtads is not the same. The Hanbali, Hanafi, Shaafi and Maliki madh'ab do not tolerate apostates.

I'd love to be wrong though, and for the Maldives' scholars and majority of its citizens to agree with you that Islam cannot be forced on an apostate. Perhaps you should take it up with the ulammah. Would make my life a lot easier.

Its not true unless I see it in Arabic, and not Google translated, and if it is in Arabic. The Hadeeth is not the Quran meaning it is not the word of God and would likely be false

You know as well as I do that most South-Asian Muslims or those that were raised Muslims can only read, not speak Arabic. Nonetheless, here it is phonetically, with the chapter and verse in Bukhari, so you can easily look it up from an Arab version of Bukhari if you are a fluent Arab speaker and can understand Classical Arabic:

Bukhari 9.84.57 ‘baddala deenahu, faqtuhulu’

Nonetheless, whether it is 'truly' part of Islam or not is irrelevant. Islamic scholars from the main madh'abs of Fiqh, Sunni and Shia, have tended to favour that the punishment for apostasy from Islam should be death or at the very least should not be allowed. Consider the following from Shaykh Muhammad Al Munajid.

http://islamqa.info/en/ref/811/Apostasy

Praise be to Allaah.

Your question may be answered by the following points:

[blocktext](1) This is the ruling of Allaah and His Messenger, as the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: "Whoever changes his religion, kill him." (reported by al-Bukhaari, al-Fath, no. 3017).

http://islamqa.info/en/ref/20327

And this is why apostasy from Islam in such countries as Egypt, Malaysia, Saudi Arabia, Iran, and in, my own country, the Maldives, is punishable. So if I'm wrong, don't debate me. I'd love to be wrong. Take it up with those among your fellow Muslims who do think apostasy should be punishable. Again, it would make my life a lot easier. Go on and convince them.

[Al Meajilia]

Its not true unless I see it in Arabic, and not Google translated, and if it is in Arabic. The Hadeeth is not the Quran meaning it is not the word of God and would likely be false

You know as well as I do that most South-Asian Muslims or those that were raised Muslims can only read, not speak Arabic. Nonetheless, here it is phonetically, with the chapter and verse in Bukhari, so you can easily look it up from an Arab version of Bukhari if you are a fluent Arab speaker and can understand Classical Arabic:

Bukhari 9.84.57 ‘baddala deenahu, faqtuhulu’

Nonetheless, whether it is 'truly' part of Islam or not is irrelevant. Islamic scholars from the main madh'abs of Fiqh, Sunni and Shia, have tended to favour that the punishment for apostasy from Islam should be death or at the very least should not be allowed. Consider the following from Shaykh Muhammad Al Munajid.

http://islamqa.info/en/ref/811/Apostasy

Praise be to Allaah.

Your question may be answered by the following points:

[blocktext](1) This is the ruling of Allaah and His Messenger, as the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: "Whoever changes his religion, kill him." (reported by al-Bukhaari, al-Fath, no. 3017).

http://islamqa.info/en/ref/20327

And this is why apostasy from Islam in such countries as Egypt, Malaysia, Saudi Arabia, Iran, and in, my own country, the Maldives, is punishable. So if I'm wrong, don't debate me. I'd love to be wrong. Take it up with those among your fellow Muslims who do think apostasy should be punishable. Again, it would make my life a lot easier. Go on and convince them.

First of all many of the countries you mentioned are extremists so obviously they would follow an extremist hadith, and second its still not in Arabic, and third why aren't you dead if your from the Maldives? Because Hadeeths are not part of the Sharia, the Sharia is the law of God not the law of man. If you are going to get something against Islam get it from the Quran and in Arabic! If it is not in Arabic then it is not the Quran.

[Ceannairceach]

You know as well as I do that most South-Asian Muslims or those that were raised Muslims can only read, not speak Arabic. Nonetheless, here it is phonetically, with the chapter and verse in Bukhari, so you can easily look it up from an Arab version of Bukhari if you are a fluent Arab speaker and can understand Classical Arabic:

Bukhari 9.84.57 ‘baddala deenahu, faqtuhulu’

Nonetheless, whether it is 'truly' part of Islam or not is irrelevant. Islamic scholars from the main madh'abs of Fiqh, Sunni and Shia, have tended to favour that the punishment for apostasy from Islam should be death or at the very least should not be allowed. Consider the following from Shaykh Muhammad Al Munajid.

http://islamqa.info/en/ref/811/Apostasy

Praise be to Allaah.

Your question may be answered by the following points:

[blocktext](1) This is the ruling of Allaah and His Messenger, as the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: "Whoever changes his religion, kill him." (reported by al-Bukhaari, al-Fath, no. 3017).

http://islamqa.info/en/ref/20327

And this is why apostasy from Islam in such countries as Egypt, Malaysia, Saudi Arabia, Iran, and in, my own country, the Maldives, is punishable. So if I'm wrong, don't debate me. I'd love to be wrong. Take it up with those among your fellow Muslims who do think apostasy should be punishable. Again, it would make my life a lot easier. Go on and convince them.

First of all many of the countries you mentioned are extremists so obviously they would follow an extremist hadith, and second its still not in Arabic, and third why aren't you dead if your from the Maldives? Because Hadeeths are not part of the Sharia, the Sharia is the law of God not the law of man. If you are going to get something against Islam get it from the Quran and in Arabic! If it is not in Arabic then it is not the Quran.

EM gave you the phonetics. He has proven his point. Stop bringing up the same complaints that he has already addressed.

[DogDoo 7]

You know as well as I do that most South-Asian Muslims or those that were raised Muslims can only read, not speak Arabic. Nonetheless, here it is phonetically, with the chapter and verse in Bukhari, so you can easily look it up from an Arab version of Bukhari if you are a fluent Arab speaker and can understand Classical Arabic:

Bukhari 9.84.57 ‘baddala deenahu, faqtuhulu’

Nonetheless, whether it is 'truly' part of Islam or not is irrelevant. Islamic scholars from the main madh'abs of Fiqh, Sunni and Shia, have tended to favour that the punishment for apostasy from Islam should be death or at the very least should not be allowed. Consider the following from Shaykh Muhammad Al Munajid.

http://islamqa.info/en/ref/811/Apostasy

Praise be to Allaah.

Your question may be answered by the following points:

[blocktext](1) This is the ruling of Allaah and His Messenger, as the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: "Whoever changes his religion, kill him." (reported by al-Bukhaari, al-Fath, no. 3017).

http://islamqa.info/en/ref/20327

And this is why apostasy from Islam in such countries as Egypt, Malaysia, Saudi Arabia, Iran, and in, my own country, the Maldives, is punishable. So if I'm wrong, don't debate me. I'd love to be wrong. Take it up with those among your fellow Muslims who do think apostasy should be punishable. Again, it would make my life a lot easier. Go on and convince them.

First of all many of the countries you mentioned are extremists so obviously they would follow an extremist hadith, and second its still not in Arabic, and third why aren't you dead if your from the Maldives? Because Hadeeths are not part of the Sharia, the Sharia is the law of God not the law of man. If you are going to get something against Islam get it from the Quran and in Arabic! If it is not in Arabic then it is not the Quran.

You sound like those stupid Al-Aqsa waqf guards who told me "only Arabs can enter" when I started telling them my knowledge of Islam in English.

[EnragedMaldivians]

You know as well as I do that most South-Asian Muslims or those that were raised Muslims can only read, not speak Arabic. Nonetheless, here it is phonetically, with the chapter and verse in Bukhari, so you can easily look it up from an Arab version of Bukhari if you are a fluent Arab speaker and can understand Classical Arabic:

Bukhari 9.84.57 ‘baddala deenahu, faqtuhulu’

Nonetheless, whether it is 'truly' part of Islam or not is irrelevant. Islamic scholars from the main madh'abs of Fiqh, Sunni and Shia, have tended to favour that the punishment for apostasy from Islam should be death or at the very least should not be allowed. Consider the following from Shaykh Muhammad Al Munajid.

http://islamqa.info/en/ref/811/Apostasy

Praise be to Allaah.

Your question may be answered by the following points:

[blocktext](1) This is the ruling of Allaah and His Messenger, as the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: "Whoever changes his religion, kill him." (reported by al-Bukhaari, al-Fath, no. 3017).

http://islamqa.info/en/ref/20327

And this is why apostasy from Islam in such countries as Egypt, Malaysia, Saudi Arabia, Iran, and in, my own country, the Maldives, is punishable. So if I'm wrong, don't debate me. I'd love to be wrong. Take it up with those among your fellow Muslims who do think apostasy should be punishable. Again, it would make my life a lot easier. Go on and convince them.

First of all many of the countries you mentioned are extremists so obviously they would follow an extremist hadith, and second its still not in Arabic, and third why aren't you dead if your from the Maldives? Because Hadeeths are not part of the Sharia, the Sharia is the law of God not the law of man. If you are going to get something against Islam get it from the Quran and in Arabic! If it is not in Arabic then it is not the Quran.

Do you think I go around flaunting my irreligiousness when I'm back in the Maldives? What kind of stupid question is that?

And, umm, Islamic jurisprudence has never been limited to the Qur'an. You wouldn't even know how to pray if you relied on just the Qur'an. Something tells me you are a Muslim in your teens who knows less about his religion than he accuses me of knowing, because for one thing, that is a very well known Hadith, and I've given you the part of the text it is located in.

All irrelevant. I'm not even trying to insult Islam so much as saying that Islamic theology and Islamic communities has a problem with tolerating apostasy. But maybe they're wrong and Islam is the best thing ever. Happy?

Now I would appreciate it if you took this up with the many among your fellow Muslims who do think apostasy should be punishable. I have no vested interest in being right about this; at all. Please convince them instead of trying to convince me.

[Freiheit Reich]

This poll is not a shocker. Any Muslim that is against sharia law is not being devout.

Don't worry, non-Muslims support it (at least in Indonesia). Don't believe me, believe the mayor of Bulukumba:

The mayor of Bulukumba in south Sulawesi says non-Muslims support the imposition of sharia law in his regency.

http://www.indonesiamatters.com/530/non ... rt-sharia/

If you want peace better support sharia law and even better become Muslim. The next step is finding out who is right and who should be killed. Do we support Sunnis or Shiites or Wahabis? Kill all the other Muslim sects and then battle it out between these last three sects and then we can have world peace.

[Kamchastkia]

42? Wtf?

My countrymen have betrayed me.

You Chechen bastards!

If you read the **, it said the question they were asked was framed differently.

[Kamchastkia]

I see my homecountrys name in Nationstates (Image)

Woot! Tres bein senegal! Vive le religion musulmane! (If that made any sense whatsoever).

[Yorkopolis]

This poll is not a shocker. Any Muslim that is against sharia law is not being devout.

Don't worry, non-Muslims support it (at least in Indonesia). Don't believe me, believe the mayor of Bulukumba:

The mayor of Bulukumba in south Sulawesi says non-Muslims support the imposition of sharia law in his regency.

http://www.indonesiamatters.com/530/non ... rt-sharia/

If you want peace better support sharia law and even better become Muslim. The next step is finding out who is right and who should be killed. Do we support Sunnis or Shiites or Wahabis? Kill all the other Muslim sects and then battle it out between these last three sects and then we can have world peace.

Yeah, because Sieg Heil and the Holocaust worked out so well. Right? RIGHT?!

[DogDoo 7]

This poll is not a shocker. Any Muslim that is against sharia law is not being devout.

Don't worry, non-Muslims support it (at least in Indonesia). Don't believe me, believe the mayor of Bulukumba:

The mayor of Bulukumba in south Sulawesi says non-Muslims support the imposition of sharia law in his regency.

http://www.indonesiamatters.com/530/non ... rt-sharia/

If you want peace better support sharia law and even better become Muslim. The next step is finding out who is right and who should be killed. Do we support Sunnis or Shiites or Wahabis? Kill all the other Muslim sects and then battle it out between these last three sects and then we can have world peace.

The sharia-like laws in Bulukumba consist of regulations against the sale of alcohol, the obligation of paying zakat, or charity tax, requirements for Muslim women who work for the government to cover their hair and dress in an Islamic fashion, and ability to read the Qur'an for students and budding newlyweds.

why is it always the racists who are dishonest? there are plenty of places that prohibit the sale of alcohol, plenty of religions that mandate tithing (zakat doesn't apply to non-muslims living under sharia), "modest" dress codes, and some churches won't marry you unless you demonstrate religious knowlege.

[Kamchastkia]

This poll is not a shocker. Any Muslim that is against sharia law is not being devout.

Don't worry, non-Muslims support it (at least in Indonesia). Don't believe me, believe the mayor of Bulukumba:

The mayor of Bulukumba in south Sulawesi says non-Muslims support the imposition of sharia law in his regency.

http://www.indonesiamatters.com/530/non ... rt-sharia/

If you want peace better support sharia law and even better become Muslim. The next step is finding out who is right and who should be killed. Do we support Sunnis or Shiites or Wahabis? Kill all the other Muslim sects and then battle it out between these last three sects and then we can have world peace.

Yeah, because Sieg Heil and the Holocaust worked out so well. Right? RIGHT?!

Well, it almost achieved its goal, am I right?

[Freiheit Reich]

This poll is not a shocker. Any Muslim that is against sharia law is not being devout.

Don't worry, non-Muslims support it (at least in Indonesia). Don't believe me, believe the mayor of Bulukumba:

The mayor of Bulukumba in south Sulawesi says non-Muslims support the imposition of sharia law in his regency.

http://www.indonesiamatters.com/530/non ... rt-sharia/

If you want peace better support sharia law and even better become Muslim. The next step is finding out who is right and who should be killed. Do we support Sunnis or Shiites or Wahabis? Kill all the other Muslim sects and then battle it out between these last three sects and then we can have world peace.

Yeah, because Sieg Heil and the Holocaust worked out so well. Right? RIGHT?!

Become a brother in Islam and avoid their wrath.

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atla ... nvert.html

In a statement today, Al-Qaeda's American rep, Adam Gadahn (né Adam Perlman, whom the FBI seeks "in connection with possible terrorist threats against the United States"), has this to say:


If the Zionist crusader missionaries of hate and counter-Islam consultants like Daniel Pipes, Robert Spencer, Michael Scheuer, Steven Emerson, and yes, even the crusader-in-chief George W. Bush were to abandon their unbelief and repent and enter into the light of Islam and turn their swords against the enemies of God, it would be accepted of them and they would be our brothers in Islam."

[Risottia]

Argh.
I shudder to think what would result if Italy had a poll about Catholicism becoming the state religion again.

What do you think ? %35 of Americans seem to support the Christianity being a state religion btw.

Yeah, but that's JEEEBUUUSLAAAAND!!!

[EnragedMaldivians]

What do you think ? %35 of Americans seem to support the Christianity being a state religion btw.

Yeah, but that's JEEEBUUUSLAAAAND!!!

Italians shouldn't talk..

[Kemalist]

I see my homecountrys name in Nationstates (Image)

Moussa Sow ftw

[Risottia]

Yeah, but that's JEEEBUUUSLAAAAND!!!

Italians shouldn't talk..

That might be the law, but as we pretty much invented the current legal system, we left a few interesting loopholes here and there.

[MamlukiyyaMubaraka]

You know as well as I do that most South-Asian Muslims or those that were raised Muslims can only read, not speak Arabic. Nonetheless, here it is phonetically, with the chapter and verse in Bukhari, so you can easily look it up from an Arab version of Bukhari if you are a fluent Arab speaker and can understand Classical Arabic:

Bukhari 9.84.57 ‘baddala deenahu, faqtuhulu’

Nonetheless, whether it is 'truly' part of Islam or not is irrelevant. Islamic scholars from the main madh'abs of Fiqh, Sunni and Shia, have tended to favour that the punishment for apostasy from Islam should be death or at the very least should not be allowed. Consider the following from Shaykh Muhammad Al Munajid.

http://islamqa.info/en/ref/811/Apostasy

Praise be to Allaah.

Your question may be answered by the following points:

[blocktext](1) This is the ruling of Allaah and His Messenger, as the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: "Whoever changes his religion, kill him." (reported by al-Bukhaari, al-Fath, no. 3017).

http://islamqa.info/en/ref/20327

And this is why apostasy from Islam in such countries as Egypt, Malaysia, Saudi Arabia, Iran, and in, my own country, the Maldives, is punishable. So if I'm wrong, don't debate me. I'd love to be wrong. Take it up with those among your fellow Muslims who do think apostasy should be punishable. Again, it would make my life a lot easier. Go on and convince them.

First of all many of the countries you mentioned are extremists so obviously they would follow an extremist hadith, and second its still not in Arabic, and third why aren't you dead if your from the Maldives? Because Hadeeths are not part of the Sharia, the Sharia is the law of God not the law of man. If you are going to get something against Islam get it from the Quran and in Arabic! If it is not in Arabic then it is not the Quran.

Hadith are a source of law in Islam. Why are you telling people lies or at best misinformation? Are you a Quranist?

[Disserbia]

This poll is not a shocker. Any Muslim that is against sharia law is not being devout.

Sauce your spaghetti.

[Kemalist]

Hadith are a source of law in Islam.

No, they are bullshit.

[Rupudska]

I get the strange feeling the Afghanistan vote was rigged. Though that may just be me.

[Freiheit Reich]

This poll is not a shocker. Any Muslim that is against sharia law is not being devout.

Sauce your spaghetti.

Ultraconservative Muslim=more devout Muslim

http://beforeitsnews.com/opinion-conser ... 22326.html

http://allfaith.com/Religions/Islam/eightreasons.html

ALL true and devout Muslims support the global Sharia. It is mandated by al Qu'ran and al Hadith that they must! Establishing the global Sharia based caliphate IS the Sunnah (core teaching) of Islam!

Islam is also, equally, the ummah (political system) and sharia (legal system). ALL Muslims are required by al Qu'ran, al Hadith (the stories of the past times of Muhammad -- accepted by the Sunni as equal to al Qu'ran), etc to completely submit ("islam") to all the branches of Islam. To reject one of these is to reject all according to Islamic authorities.

Fourth. The Ummah of Islam is commanded in al Qu'ran and other Muslims sources to work toward establishing a global caliphate (a world Muslim government based on strict observance of sharia law).