Former Racists

[Nazi Flower Power]

In the past, I have seen a couple of NSers confess that they used to be white nationalists, but have since learned better. Not sure if those people are still around, but I still thought this might be an interesting thread...

If you used to be racist, what was it that changed your mind?

If you've ever known anyone who gave up their racist beliefs, do you know what it was that finally convinced them?

Whenever we have race threads, it seems like people keep trying to use the same arguments, and the racists obviously don't find them very convincing. So maybe this will help us learn what we can do that would be more productive.

[Hathradic States]

If you used to be racist, what was it that changed your mind? Getting to know people of other races, realizing they weren't below me in any way.

If you've ever known anyone who gave up their racist beliefs, do you know what it was that finally convinced them? Pretty much actually knowing minorities past them trying to hurt us, which was, in my friend's and mine experience, most of our encounters with Mexicans.

[Insane Kidney Mentality]

I have a feeling that this can only end in tears...

In any case, I used to be incredibly racist against Hispanics, Africans, and pretty much every minority group that wasn't White or Asian as I felt they did not contribute to society. Eventually, I met a few good people of said minorities, and felt that not everyone within that minority necessarily applied to the stereotypes. I used to be rather homophobic as well, until the thought occured, 'geez, what did these guys ever do to me'.

Ultimately, it comes down to actually knowing people and understanding them past the horrid stereotypes. *Nods*

[Draganograd]

Im not a racist in the thought of the colour and the skin, more that people like gypsies forexample, not all gypsies but many, steal and rob, and get aid from the goverment that they dont even need. I lived in both Denmark and Serbia, and the problem is the same there.

[Yankee Empire]

How do you know they've learned better?

How do you know the people you met are just exceptions and not the rule?

[The Planet of Orran]

How do you know they've learned better?

How do you know the people you met are just exceptions and not the rule?

'Cause everyone's just human despite the color of our skin.

[Dictatorship Of Serdaristan]

I never was terribly "racist", but to some degree I'm a white nationalist. As Draganograd said, I don't dislike people based on skin color, but by actions of a particular group. I have nothing against African Americans or Hispanics, but African American communities have a higher crime rate, as with average Hispanic communities. As a rule, I think segregation and apartheid is wrong, but I would vastly prefer living in a white community than an ethnic community.

That being said, there are a few groups I absolutely detest, Chechens, Zionists, Israelis, FSA terrorists, and fundamentalists of any religion.
I've been called an anti-semite, Nazi, Evil jew hater etc. due to my anger towards Israel and the fact I dislike Zionist Jews. I've met many Jewish people and found them to be wonderful people but that does not stop me from hating Israel for it's politics and indiscriminate holocaust on palestinians.

One scenario I see a lot of is the "it's because I'm black, isn't it?" game.
In the schools I attended, people of color were almost never punished for fighting, theft, vandalism, swearing in class etc.
they would always pull the race card because the principal and 99% of the teachers were white. They always got away with it too, because the school was too afraid of law suits to instill any sort of order.

In short, It's not about skin color, it's about what you do. If you label someone a racist because they don't like you for your actions and they just so happen to be of a different race, you are the racist.

[Hathradic States]

How do you know they've learned better?

How do you know the people you met are just exceptions and not the rule?

'Cause everyone's just human despite the color of our skin.

And most effective way to change a racist is to let them see that.

[Umbra Ac Silentium]

I used to be kind of racist against Latinos and Arabs but I realized that was really stupid when I was about fifteen and as such I'm not any more. :V

[The Sector Union]

I had a racist attitude towards hispanics when I was younger. It was because hispanic kids at school always picked on me and it was just them so I thought hispanics were that way. But in high school, I ended up having a couple of hispanic friends who were nice and friendly so it changed my attitude. Another reason why I did not like hispanics because I was from California, and many I saw were into that gang culture. That changed when I even saw whites and asians doing the same thing and I was being ignorant the whole time.

What it's taught me is that you need to find the good in something, even if it may look bad. I really hate to admit my past racism but I think everyone has been like this at some point. I think racism at a mild level is normal for a human being. But I have zero tolerance for extremism and supreme attitudes. I didn't think they were inferior, I am of two races anyways. I am white/asian. I just didn't like them because of bad experiences. But now because of good, hispanic friends, I am not racist anymore.

So remember, be kind to others and don't put your racial/cultural background in a bad image. Not discriminating others does not stop racism completely. People used to be discriminated for existing. That's over now. But now people are being discriminated for their terrible actions. Good public image will help combat racism.

[Draganograd]

I never was terribly "racist", but to some degree I'm a white nationalist. As Draganograd said, I don't dislike people based on skin color, but by actions of a particular group. I have nothing against African Americans or Hispanics, but African American communities have a higher crime rate, as with average Hispanic communities. As a rule, I think segregation and apartheid is wrong, but I would vastly prefer living in a white community than an ethnic community.

That being said, there are a few groups I absolutely detest, Chechens, Zionists, Israelis, FSA terrorists, and fundamentalists of any religion.
I've been called an anti-semite, Nazi, Evil jew hater etc. due to my anger towards Israel and the fact I dislike Zionist Jews. I've met many Jewish people and found them to be wonderful people but that does not stop me from hating Israel for it's politics and indiscriminate holocaust on palestinians.

One scenario I see a lot of is the "it's because I'm black, isn't it?" game.
In the schools I attended, people of color were almost never punished for fighting, theft, vandalism, swearing in class etc.
they would always pull the race card because the principal and 99% of the teachers were white. They always got away with it too, because the school was too afraid of law suits to instill any sort of order.

In short, It's not about skin color, it's about what you do. If you label someone a racist because they don't like you for your actions and they just so happen to be of a different race, you are the racist.

Exactly couldn't agree more, i to dont like Chechens, Zionist,Isrealis,FSA (Future Al-Qaeda terror cell) . But not because of ignorance of their looks, but because of the course of actions.

[Anachronous Rex]

I'm still a little bit prejudiced against African Americans (note: African Americans, not native Africans), for reasons I don't fully understand.

But I try very hard not to be.

[New haven america]

I'm not raciest, this is how I think "Don't fuck with me, I won't fuck with you", it's a good way to live life.
But I hate humans, so ya.

[The Sector Union]

I'm still a little bit prejudiced against African Americans (note: African Americans, not native Africans), for reasons I don't fully understand.

But I try very hard not to be.

This seems to be a real problem here. I am not saying all african americans are un-educated but there are many in numbers. I've read about stories of poor african children working hard to get an education and dream of a career. But then you see the stereotype of an african-american. Complete opposite. Unfortunately, the stereotype is true in some areas of the country.

It's really hard to word this without being called a racist and sensitivity.

This is a fact.

[Forsher]

How do you know they've learned better?

How do you know the people you met are just exceptions and not the rule?

Generally it's because the idea is that "They're all bad" so finding some of them that are okay is enough.

I don't like the way that race-relations often gives the idea that Maori are one and then there's the rest of us. Part of that's because there was never "Maori" (there were only ever many iwi, e.g Nga Puhi) and the other part is because every single Maori person I've ever met has only ever been a person.

[Forsher]

I'm still a little bit prejudiced against African Americans (note: African Americans, not native Africans), for reasons I don't fully understand.

But I try very hard not to be.

This seems to be a real problem here. I am not saying all african americans are un-educated but there are many in numbers. I've read about stories of poor african children working hard to get an education and dream of a career. But then you see the stereotype of an african-american. Complete opposite. Unfortunately, the stereotype is true in some areas of the country.

It's really hard to word this without being called a racist and sensitivity.

This is a fact.

It's about how you say it, how credible you are when you say it and, importantly, how right you are in the first place.

For example, with what I just said. Take Mighty River Power... it's primarily one iwi that was tangled up with that but the idea that one gets is that it's all of Maoridom (although, of course, the case had repercussions for everyone) from the media. However, it's possible I wasn't reading far enough into all these things (i.e. an argument from ignorance which harms credibility and factual accuracy). The other bit about what I said is obvious to anyone who has ever heard of the Musket Wars.

So, it's actually very easy to do. For example, "It sucks that African-Americans are so poorly served by the education system" versus "African-Americans are uneducated". They don't mean quite the same thing (even without the "it sucks that").

[Absurdity]

indiscriminate holocaust on palestinians.

I've been called "racist" thousands of times, and am still branded as such today. The truth is that I hate everyone equally. You're all awful in my eyes.

[Benburger]

I have never been racist.



Since December 31, 2009 11:59:59pm

[Umbra Ac Silentium]

indiscriminate holocaust on palestinians.

I've been called "racist" thousands of times, and am still branded as such today. The truth is that I hate everyone equally. You're all awful in my eyes.

M-muh cynicism makes me cool ;---;

[Person012345]

I never was terribly "racist", but to some degree I'm a white nationalist. As Draganograd said, I don't dislike people based on skin color, but by actions of a particular group. I have nothing against African Americans or Hispanics, but African American communities have a higher crime rate, as with average Hispanic communities. As a rule, I think segregation and apartheid is wrong, but I would vastly prefer living in a white community than an ethnic community.

That being said, there are a few groups I absolutely detest, Chechens, Zionists, Israelis, FSA terrorists, and fundamentalists of any religion.
I've been called an anti-semite, Nazi, Evil jew hater etc. due to my anger towards Israel and the fact I dislike Zionist Jews. I've met many Jewish people and found them to be wonderful people but that does not stop me from hating Israel for it's politics and indiscriminate holocaust on palestinians.

One scenario I see a lot of is the "it's because I'm black, isn't it?" game.
In the schools I attended, people of color were almost never punished for fighting, theft, vandalism, swearing in class etc.
they would always pull the race card because the principal and 99% of the teachers were white. They always got away with it too, because the school was too afraid of law suits to instill any sort of order.

In short, It's not about skin color, it's about what you do. If you label someone a racist because they don't like you for your actions and they just so happen to be of a different race, you are the racist.

Exactly couldn't agree more, i to dont like Chechens, Zionist,Isrealis,FSA (Future Al-Qaeda terror cell) . But not because of ignorance of their looks, but because of the course of actions.

Do you believe that chechnya is made of 90% terrorists or something?

[Marcurix]

I've never considered myself a racist, the idea that people should be treated differently based on skin colour has always seemed, at the very least, like a very silly idea.

But then I have been called one before, so I guess it's a matter of opinion.

[Vietnam]

I used to be really racist towards the Japanese and Chinese, as well as the British, Arabs, and Turks.

I hated British people in 5th grade when I had this obsession with France due to Napoleon. That stopped though, almost immediately, due to this British girl who was in the same class as me, and was really nice to me after I'd been thinking racist thoughts about that person. It made me feel really bad, a bit confused, but most of all, just really stupid.

In that grade (and it'd last until the middle of 6th grade) I was also a really devout Christian, and I hated anything which I associated with Muslims. I hated how the Crusades were largely a failure, and wanted to wipe out the Arabs and Turks who I associated with it. I also hated Buddhists, as I felt it was what prevented Korea from becoming Christian (yes, incredibly stupid, I know).

I hated Japanese/Chinese people from the 5th grade on, as a hardcore Korean nationalist and due to everyone thinking that I was either Chinese or Japanese, which really pissed me off back then. In 6th grade, I wrote a list trying to describe all the evil things Japan did to Korea, and all this other crap, and I thought Yu-Gi-Oh! was an evil Japanese conspiracy to make fun of the Korean War (it's pronounced the same as 6-2-5 in Korean, which is what the Korean War is often called in Korea, as North Korea invaded on June 25th). I would also be involved in stupid arguments with others on Youtube. I wanted to exterminate the Japanese, and send all Chinese to labor camps where they would serve the interests of Koreans. I remember I liked this in 6th grade one girl who I thought was Chinese, and thought in my mind that I wouldn't send her to those camps. I'd acquired a reputation for being smart there (I'd read big books to look smart and I was good at math), and I would tell them that this was due to the inherent superiority of the Korean race. Oh god, that was embarrassing.

I don't know when I really stopped having those thoughts and feelings though. Somewhere in later 6th grade, probably. I think that for a while, I just started feeling apathetic towards Christianity and the whole thought of being Korean. I got really interested in Russia and the Soviet Union after that, and I guess those thoughts gradually faded away before disappearing entirely. Any racist thoughts towards the Japanese disappeared entirely when in 7th grade I became a huge Japanophile.

[Churchilland]

I user to be distrustful of Polish people, but after meeting some and temporarily working with one, I quite like them now!

[Person012345]

I both love and hate everyone equally.

I tend to just assume everyone is an ass until I actually get to know them. It works reasonably well.

[Person012345]

Ooh, actually, I am actually a little more mistrustful of whites than other races, although it's only marginal. And I'll treat everyone the same.

And yes, I'm white.