the most dramtic and important war in human history

[Cameroi]

is being studiously ignored by corporate media.

it is the war between corporate greed, and the future of the human speices,
and possibly the entire web of life on planet earth.

marxism isn't the answer, and fascism is just a more extreme form of corporatocracy.
but corporate capitalism IS the problem. or should i say the motivation behind the majority of the diversity of them. especially the handful of most key specific ones.

[EvilDarkMagicians]

The most important war is between a man and his penis.

[Buffett and Colbert]

U is rite caus war bad comuniism double bad capitalismmm 2 so wee need fix dis.

[Jubu Jubu Jabu]

Everyone must REPENT!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_Spaghetti_Monster

You must feel His noodly appendage!

[Northern Delmarva]

This is why hippies should keep to their pot and basements. *nods*

[Soratsin]

I doubt that humanity could wipe out all life on the planet, earth has survived far worse than anything we've been able to come up with.

[Conserative Morality]

Actually, it was the Punic Wars. Think of how Europe would turn out if Carthage, not Rome, was master of Europe for a few hundred years.

[LOL ANARCHY NUBZ]

This is why hippies should keep to their pot and basements. *nods*

Do you have an actual criticism of what he's saying, or did you just want to make yourself feel superior?

[LOL ANARCHY NUBZ]

Actually, it was the Punic Wars. Think of how Europe would turn out if Carthage, not Rome, was master of Europe for a few hundred years.

And by extension, the world?

Would Carthage have had the power to do so though? I thought they were just into coastal areas and the likes, where they could trade?

[Conserative Morality]

And by extension, the world?

Would Carthage have had the power to do so though? I thought they were just into coastal areas and the likes, where they could trade?

They had footholds in Sicily and Spain, and they were one of the superpowers of it's time. But think about it, without a Roman Empire, what would Europe have turned out like? And, with Europe changed, the world would change dramatically, no?

[Northern Delmarva]

This is why hippies should keep to their pot and basements. *nods*

Do you have an actual criticism of what he's saying, or did you just want to make yourself feel superior?

Wish granted.

-snip- or should i say the motivation behind the majority of the diversity of them. especially the handful of most key specific ones.

Care to explain which ones?

Think of how Europe would turn out if Carthage, not Rome, was master of Europe for a few hundred years.

Considering that was extremely close to happening, I would expect that the Carthaginians would've likely become the main power in Western Europe, with some wars/competition with the Greeks.

[Armanica-Duke of York]

I see the war basically as people competing for power and control. One group trying to dominate the other or groups working together to secure a mutual benefit of profit motives. I'm not a Marxists even though I may sound like it, I just believe in a equilibrium and private ownership.

[Conserative Morality]

Considering that was extremely close to happening, I would expect that the Carthaginians would've likely become the main power in Western Europe, with some wars/competition with the Greeks.

Yes, but think of the future cultural impacts on Europe. Would the Renaissance have come about in the same way? At all? The dark ages?

[Weimaridom]

The war between bias and the truth is one that has just erupted recently and is growing. It is the cause of so many ignorant people and the cause of so many blind arguments. It just makes me rage.

[Cameroi]

Care to explain which ones?

which ones do i mention in almost every post?

global climate change
peek oil
economic melt down
clear cutting
overpopulation

the first, due to the use of combustion to generate energy and propel transportation,
is the clear and eminent danger to both humanity and the web of life.
(in combination with the last two)

but anyway. the diversity of responses is more fun then the last time i tried to start a thread.
and i am more enjoying the different places people are going with it then the unintended narrowness of my previous attempt(s)

[Northern Delmarva]

Considering that was extremely close to happening, I would expect that the Carthaginians would've likely become the main power in Western Europe, with some wars/competition with the Greeks.

Yes, but think of the future cultural impacts on Europe. Would the Renaissance have come about in the same way? At all? The dark ages?

You could easily write a book on all of those questions (and someone probably has/is) so my simple response is this:

Probably not in the same way, but in some way regardless.

[Armanica-Duke of York]

The war between bias and the truth is one that has just erupted recently and is growing. It is the cause of so many ignorant people and the cause of so many blind arguments. It just makes me rage.

I agree with that but what's fueling the fire lack of education/thought which is being sponsored by Groups competing for control to be able to marginalize the population, while corporate/government/certain individuals draw up a new lines and draw up their own empires.

[Weimaridom]

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[Cameroi]

Considering that was extremely close to happening, I would expect that the Carthaginians would've likely become the main power in Western Europe, with some wars/competition with the Greeks.

Yes, but think of the future cultural impacts on Europe. Would the Renaissance have come about in the same way? At all? The dark ages?

You could easily write a book on all of those questions (and someone probably has/is) so my simple response is this:

Probably not in the same way, but in some way regardless.

i actually hadn't thought of this coming up.
which is what i mean. i enjoy seeing what i don't expect.

oddly enough i agree with your take on it.

especially that last line.

i'd even enjoy reading such a book, though i'm no where near up to the task of writing it.

i think a lot of cultural things would be different, but it might be difficult or impossible to be more specific about them with any degree of certainty.

i'm pretty sure about some of what wouldn't be, but a lot less certain about what there would be instead.

[Armanica-Duke of York]

I agree with that but what's fueling the fire lack of education/thought which is being sponsored by Groups competing for control to be able to marginalize the population, while corporate/government/certain individuals draw up a new lines and draw up their own empires.

I agree up to the point about empires. I don't get what empire building has to do with it?

When I mean Empires I'm talking about in the sense that they are sort of creating their own world(not actual),power-system,corruption,social/political groups/monopolies .

[Vetalia]

Actually, it was the Punic Wars. Think of how Europe would turn out if Carthage, not Rome, was master of Europe for a few hundred years.

Probably the same, if not better off.

[Vetalia]

Yes, but think of the future cultural impacts on Europe. Would the Renaissance have come about in the same way? At all? The dark ages?

Carthage was much less militaristic than Rome and didn't make rookie mistakes like subsidizing huge numbers of people with government resources. It also had a republican form of government less vulnerable to subversion compared to the Roman Republic. Not to mention it was exceptionally technologically advanced and was far more skilled at integrating diverse cultures in to its Empire (except maybe the Numidians...)

I think we might have avoided a societal collapse like we did in Late Antiquity and thereafter.

[Conserative Morality]

Probably the same, if not better off.

I fail to see either. Carthage did not have the Democratic touches that Republican Rome had, nor did it have the unifying power or sense of loyalty. Europe would have been MUCH different, if not worse off.

[Conserative Morality]

Carthage was much less militaristic than Rome and didn't make rookie mistakes like subsidizing huge numbers of people with government resources. It also had a republican form of government less vulnerable to subversion compared to the Roman Republic. Not to mention it was exceptionally technologically advanced and was far more skilled at integrating diverse cultures in to its Empire (except maybe the Numidians...)

I think we might have avoided a societal collapse like we did in Late Antiquity and thereafter.

Carthage's lack of a militaristic sense would have left it wide open to the less civilized forces north of Rome, with it's largely mercenary army, with little loyalty to Carthage other than the loyalty that money can buy. Not only that, but Carthage lacked Rome's innovation and democratic touches to it's oligarchy. Also note that the Carthagian Republic was little more than an Oligarchy that elected a king.

[Greed and Death]

well if those are my choices I side with the corporations.
I will try and make your deaths painless and quick.