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Carena
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Postby Carena » Wed Feb 27, 2013 6:08 pm

We use Death Row Inmates instead of animals. Since the inmates are human, we will see exactly what happens, not just what happens to the animal's species.
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Wahre Deutschland
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Postby Wahre Deutschland » Wed Feb 27, 2013 6:12 pm

Animal testing is a common practice in our nation, as it allows for better research on curing diseases, making medications, cosmetics and other great technological advances as well as allow us to study possible evolutionary changes in a species over time.
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Postby Purpelia » Wed Feb 27, 2013 6:13 pm

Wahre Deutschland wrote:Animal testing is a common practice in our nation, as it allows for better research on curing diseases, making medications, cosmetics and other great technological advances as well as allow us to study possible evolutionary changes in a species over time.

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Postby Luziyca » Wed Feb 27, 2013 6:14 pm

We see it as more appropriate than human testing which is illegal, and animal experimentation is legal.
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Basque Socialist States
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Postby Basque Socialist States » Wed Feb 27, 2013 6:17 pm

Completely legal, and the preferred method of testing for most new medicines.
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Greater-Albion
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Postby Greater-Albion » Wed Feb 27, 2013 6:36 pm

Against the law why use animals when there are so many criminals
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Ulvena
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Postby Ulvena » Wed Feb 27, 2013 6:47 pm

Ulvena uses animal experimentation in medical and military research. In fact, genetically grown plague rats have even sprung up in labs on accident when exposed to the Weeper Plague. But mostly, it's for medical research.

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Eahland
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Postby Eahland » Wed Feb 27, 2013 7:46 pm

Unnecessary cruelty to animals is illegal, and subject to fines. Experiments with potential social benefit are not held to be unnecessary, however, though they should still be done in as humane a fashion as possible. Killing animals for food is not seen as unnecessary, either, for that matter, though, again, they should be treated humanely while alive and killed swiftly and with minimal pain.

Simulations have the drawback that the simulator's model does not necessarily reflect reality; it merely reflects the understanding of the programmer. If the programmer's understanding is flawed, the simulation will be at least as flawed, and so in turn will be the simulation results. Running simulations is not an experiment; it's an exercise in confirmation bias. You can use them to refine the parameters of an experiment, but until you actually test to see if your results reflect reality, all they mean is that you were able to write a program that produced the output you wrote your program to produce. This is called the LILU rule here... Loþrung in, loþrung ut. ("Nonsense in, nonsense out.")

And if the programmer's understanding is flawless, why exactly are you doing experiments?
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Radiatia
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Postby Radiatia » Thu Feb 28, 2013 4:12 am

Of course it's legal. How else are pharmaceutical companies and cosmetics companies going to create new products and/or cures?

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Zokoria
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Postby Zokoria » Thu Feb 28, 2013 5:38 am

Luziyca wrote:We see it as more appropriate than human testing which is illegal, and animal experimentation is legal.

^ Same thing.
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Slembana
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Postby Slembana » Thu Feb 28, 2013 8:59 am

Animal experimentation is banned, due to the fact that it is cruel to the animals which are being tested. Anyone who experiments on animals will get the death penalty.
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Democratic Koyro
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Postby Democratic Koyro » Thu Feb 28, 2013 9:02 am

Slembana wrote:Animal experimentation is banned, due to the fact that it is cruel to the animals which are being tested. Anyone who experiments on animals will get the death penalty.


The lives of animals are more important than the lives of people in your nation? :eyebrow:
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Postby Slembana » Thu Feb 28, 2013 9:04 am

Democratic Koyro wrote:
Slembana wrote:Animal experimentation is banned, due to the fact that it is cruel to the animals which are being tested. Anyone who experiments on animals will get the death penalty.


The lives of animals are more important than the lives of people in your nation? :eyebrow:


No. We give our people loads of freedoms, and even give them the freedom to do loads of stuff that the citizens of other nations cannot do. However, we love animals a lot, which is why we have such strict punishments.

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New New Capston
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Postby New New Capston » Thu Feb 28, 2013 9:08 am

Carena wrote:We use Death Row Inmates instead of animals. Since the inmates are human, we will see exactly what happens, not just what happens to the animal's species.

That's gross and undemocratic, but from a scientific point of view it is really very logical.

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New Zepuha
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Postby New Zepuha » Thu Feb 28, 2013 9:12 am

Well of course we experiment on animals! But mostly non-humans are the ones being experimented on and mutants. I mean what else are we going to do with them? They are just wasting space and breeding in the slums. Regular police patrols round up groups of whatever healthy ones they can find and bring them from the slums to the complex network of bunkers under the Military Centre.

Prison inmates not already being used as blood farms or being sent to gladiator rings. They are sent to the same place as the mutants except human inmates are more likely to survive. Probably.
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East Catalina
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Postby East Catalina » Thu Feb 28, 2013 9:26 am

Should not be done on endangered species.
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Olwe
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Postby Olwe » Thu Feb 28, 2013 10:11 am

Animal experimentation is legal, but regulated and supervised by the government in order to ensure that it is done as humanely as possible. Companies also try to get Talking Beasts whenever possible, so that they can actually have the subject consent to the procedures.
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Cameroi
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Postby Cameroi » Thu Feb 28, 2013 10:49 am

any life form, possessed of a central nervious system, has many of the same rights under the law, as any sapient citizen. they are essentially considered persons, while recognizing and not denying the distinction of their lack of motivation to express them selves creatively, which anything which has and does IS a person under cameroi law.

so no chordate species is considered a disposable object. only the testing of life saving substances may be tested using chordate subjects. cosmetic testing on them is not allowed. nor is the raising of animals to be killed for their fur permitted. even the raising of animals for their meat is highly regulated.

cell structures without central nervous systems may however be cultured for this purpose.
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Trefeqia
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Postby Trefeqia » Thu Feb 28, 2013 2:34 pm

It is avoided as much as possible. We did invent a technology that is 100% accurate in letting us know if it could be used in humans. Although it doesn't test in certain medicines, that's when animal experimentation is used, most commonly mice. And by law, animals must not be mistreated or abused, excluding if testing fails.
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The Whaltrean District
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Postby The Whaltrean District » Thu Feb 28, 2013 2:39 pm

Animal experimentation is strictly outlawed.
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The Multiversal Species Alliance
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Postby The Multiversal Species Alliance » Thu Feb 28, 2013 3:05 pm

Banned, but consensual sapient experimentation is completely legal (and the only legal form of scientific experimentation, now that I think of it).
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Great Niagara
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Postby Great Niagara » Fri Mar 01, 2013 9:01 pm

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Kushtor
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Postby Kushtor » Fri Mar 01, 2013 9:12 pm

Animal experimentation is rare in Kuxtor; most of our products have already been tested elsewhere so there is less need for potentially cruel experimentation. The only thing keeping us from experimenting on the truly deserving (terrorists, rapists, etc.) is the practical consideration that they're most unlikely to cooperate.
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Postby YellowApple » Fri Mar 01, 2013 10:15 pm

The use of non-sapient test subjects is legal under YellowApplan law, and accepted by the general public to be acceptable in light of the scientific benefits such experimentation facilitates, with the stipulation that such experimentation is humane - or, if potentially inhumane, carried out for a purpose which is of significant benefit to YellowApplan society.

As an example:

Company A develops pharmaceutical products, and intentionally injects rhesus monkeys with a strain of Ebolavirus, followed by either an antisense therapy regimen or a placebo, in order to test said antisense therapy regimen and verify its potential effectiveness. This is acceptable; while the rhesus monkeys receiving placebos rather than actual treatments are practically guaranteed to die a painful death (as a result of organ liquefaction), the development of an effective antisense therapy can quell Ebola pandemics and save a quantity of lives higher than the quantity of monkeys who received a placebo and died of their symptoms.

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Elizio
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Postby Elizio » Fri Mar 01, 2013 10:18 pm

Animals are experimented on strictly for medical purposes. Anything else is animal cruelty under the law.
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