Golden Dawn in Greece

[Dokuritsu Nippon]

So you're unwilling to endorse violence even against a group themselves actively using/endorsing violence? 0_o

Might as well roll over and die with such 'ethics'.

There's a point of taking the high road so that you do not become the violent sons of bitches that you're fighting.

So Bonhoeffer was just as bad as Hitler? Your opinion is duly noted.

[Threlizdun]

So you're unwilling to endorse violence even against a group themselves actively using/endorsing violence? 0_o

Might as well roll over and die with such 'ethics'.

Just endorsing it? No, absolutely not. I fully support combating those who use violence, though even in those cases, I would support only what is necessary to subdue them, nothing more.

[Dokuritsu Nippon]

So you're unwilling to endorse violence even against a group themselves actively using/endorsing violence? 0_o

Might as well roll over and die with such 'ethics'.

Just endorsing it? No, absolutely not. I fully support combating those who use violence, though even in those cases, I would support only what is necessary to subdue them, nothing more.

I see. I suppose I'm a much stricter advocate of the necessity of armed struggle against oppression, because historically, it seems to be the only valid method when the enemy is more than willing to employ the same.

[The Republic of Lanos]

There's a point of taking the high road so that you do not become the violent sons of bitches that you're fighting.

So Bonhoeffer was just as bad as Hitler? Your opinion is duly noted.

Oh great. Since when were we talking about Hitler? Nope.

Most of the time, violence is not the answer. If you want to become the same people you're fighting because you're opposed to them, you're doing the same thing that violent group is doing. Instead, fight them with words and information. Let the police and the government do the physical suppression.

[Trollgaard]

[quote="TomKirk";p="12888368]
It would indeed take a genius to infer that you were as old as 23 from your postings thus far.[/quote]
Here you go Doku[/quote][/quote]

Back under the bridge. No food for you.[/quote][/quote][/quote]

Kind of like most of North Korea.[/quote]

Fucking buuuurrrrrrrnnnnnn

[Yanitza]

Greeks are not Slavs.

No, I mean the party opposes Macedonians, who are Slavs.

They aren't Macedonian in the sense that they claim to be, and a lot of Greek parties oppose the state trying to claim Macedonian heritage.

But yes anyway the Golden Dawn no doubt show the Slavophobic sentiments as many historical right wing groups have shown in Greece's history, unfortunately

[Dokuritsu Nippon]

So Bonhoeffer was just as bad as Hitler? Your opinion is duly noted.

Oh great. Since when were we talking about Hitler? Nope.

Most of the time, violence is not the answer. If you want to become the same people you're fighting because you're opposed to them, you're doing the same thing that violent group is doing.

Last I checked, killing Nazis (those actively holding a particularly repressive political ideology) is quite a different matter from killing Jews (those who happened to be born with a certain characteristic). The former is in response to a repressive, antisocial action, the latter to a mere characteristic beyond anyone's control. Thus they are not ethically equivalent.

Instead, fight them with words and information.

And when that said violent group has such a presence that they effectively drown out such in the superstructure of society...?

Let the police and the government do the physical suppression.

Hah. More oft than not, they act in line with the interests of the regressives.

[Costa Alegria]

I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy in me being banned for openly expressing the logical conclusions of my own Fanonian/Marxist-Leninist theory, and you seeming to have more fault with that than an openly militantly fascist party.

It's not hypocritical. And how is it logical to wish for the death of thousands of people?

[Dokuritsu Nippon]

[quote="TomKirk";p="12888368]
It would indeed take a genius to infer that you were as old as 23 from your postings thus far.[/quote]
Here you go Doku[/quote][/quote]

Back under the bridge. No food for you.[/quote][/quote][/quote]

Kind of like most of North Korea.[/quote][/quote][/quote][/quote]

Fucking buuuurrrrrrrnnnnnn[/quote]

And if I said I were Black, I suppose you'd accuse me of stealing a bike or TV or ask if I wanted to eat a watermelon? Go back to 4chan. This is just juvenile...

[Ralkovia]

[quote="TomKirk";p="12888368]
It would indeed take a genius to infer that you were as old as 23 from your postings thus far.[/quote]
Here you go Doku[/quote][/quote]

Back under the bridge. No food for you.[/quote][/quote][/quote]

Kind of like most of North Korea.[/quote][/quote][/quote][/quote]

Fucking buuuurrrrrrrnnnnnn[/quote]

High five!

[Dokuritsu Nippon]

I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy in me being banned for openly expressing the logical conclusions of my own Fanonian/Marxist-Leninist theory, and you seeming to have more fault with that than an openly militantly fascist party.

It's not hypocritical. And how is it logical to wish for the death of thousands of people?

It's the logical conclusion of the premises my ideology entails.

Would you have wished Hitler/Himmler/Goebels/etc. to have died before taking power? I think most reasonable people would. I simply see the capitalist system as similarly repressive, and wish the same for its advocates. And I agree with Fanon's criticisms of the theory of nonviolent 'revolution'. That's all. But that's neither here nor there for this.

[Sedikal]

the civil rights movement was a peaceful protest for the eradication of segregation and it worked. It didn't get rid of racism but you can never truly eradicat something of the face of the earth.

[Ralkovia]

[quote="TomKirk";p="12888368]
It would indeed take a genius to infer that you were as old as 23 from your postings thus far.[/quote]
Here you go Doku[/quote][/quote]

Back under the bridge. No food for you.[/quote][/quote][/quote]

Kind of like most of North Korea.[/quote][/quote][/quote][/quote]

Fucking buuuurrrrrrrnnnnnn[/quote][/quote][/quote][/quote][/quote]

And if I said I were Black, I suppose you'd accuse me of stealing a bike or TV or ask if I wanted to eat a watermelon? Go back to 4chan. This is just juvenile...[/quote]

Wait, your not a twenty three year old white kid hiding in his parents basement?

[Costa Alegria]

It's the logical conclusion of the premises my ideology entails.

Bullshit. Marxism doesn't call for the deaths of people who oppose it. You're only using it as a very thin facade to express your wishes to see people dead.

Would you have wished Hitler/Himmler/Goebels/etc. to have died before taking power?

No. Because no one would have predicted that they'd rise to power.

[Dokuritsu Nippon]

the civil rights movement was a peaceful protest for the eradication of segregation and it worked. It didn't get rid of racism but you can never truly eradicat something of the face of the earth.

I'm sure Malcolm X would be most bemused to hear you equating his position with one of dogmatic nonviolence.

[Transnapastain]

Sysrly guys?

Alright, guys, this is such a train wreck that I can't even begin to untangle it. We've got trollnaming, threadjacking, flamebaiting, massive amounts of QQing, and general asshatery coming out of every orphus. I am not pleased.

Rather than addressing the myriad offenses in this thread, I'm going to declare a mulligan and just leave the thread locked. Don't start this up again, or I'll pull out both the old and the new and start passing out warnings like jellybeans. You've all been put on notice. Redouble your efforts and being civil to one another, or use the ignore function, or you will find that, next time, I will not be so forgiving.