Rape prevention

[Uawc]

Hi, NSG.

A short while ago we had a rape thread, which was labelled as a "safe space". In that thread, I suggested that women (let's be realistic, it is almost always women who are victimized) should carry and learn how to use weapons in order to prevent rapes. I was very clear that I was not attempting to place the blame on victims, and was trying to be supportive. It was apparent that some people were still offended, however, and and some people even suggested that I was aiding rapists by promoting the carry of and training with weapons among women. I cannot with any intellectual honesty apologize for what I said, because I still sand by it. I want to emphasize that my heart goes out to the victims of abuse.

So, here is a different thread with a different purpose. I want to ask you, NSG: do you believe that rape is preventable? If so, what can women do to prevent rape? If not, why not?

Here is a video with some statistics which support the idea that women should carry and learn how to use weapons.

I really, really don't want this to turn into a flame war. Please keep it civil. I want this to be a good thread with some good, constructive discussion, and I don't want any victims who may be reading this to feel that it is in any way their fault.

[Rereumrari]

I think NS simply needs to get over its obsession with rape. I'm starting to grow concerned for NS.

[Uawc]

I think NS simply needs to get over its obsession with rape. I'm starting to grow concerned for NS.

It's a very serious and emotional topic which naturally provokes a lot of passionate thoughts and feelings.

[Wallonochia]

So, here is a different thread with a different purpose. I want to ask you, NSG: do you believe that rape is preventable? If so, what can women do to prevent rape? If not, why not?

I think rape is preventable, just it's not really the job of the victims to do that.

How to stop rape.

[Ovisterra]

I think NS simply needs to get over its obsession with rape. I'm starting to grow concerned for NS.

What's this "obsession with rape"? I'll stop discussing rape when rape stops happening. It's a problem. It needs to be tackled.

[Uawc]

So, here is a different thread with a different purpose. I want to ask you, NSG: do you believe that rape is preventable? If so, what can women do to prevent rape? If not, why not?

I think rape is preventable, just it's not really the job of the victims to do that.

How to stop rape.

That image implies that women are weak, hapless victims, and as a feminist, I find it offensive.

[Wikkiwallana]

How are firearms going to stop date rape, far and away the most common form of rape?

[Ovisterra]

-snip-

But when you say that women should learn to carry and use weapons, you are, like it or not, saying that some people who have been raped might not have been raped if they had carried weapons. That's victim blaming.

[Stephania Incognita]

So, here is a different thread with a different purpose. I want to ask you, NSG: do you believe that rape is preventable? If so, what can women do to prevent rape? If not, why not?

I think rape is preventable, just it's not really the job of the victims to do that.

How to stop rape.

I 110% agree but it is also only sensible for a potential victim to take precautions too, just like people take precautions in case they suffer from any crime.

[Ostroeuropa]

Define preventable. It's never the victims fault, but they can do things that reduce their likelihood to get preyed on.
Carrying legal weaponry such as mace as one example would probably help, travel in groups, do not leave drinks unattended, etc.

[Ovisterra]

I think rape is preventable, just it's not really the job of the victims to do that.

How to stop rape.

That image implies that women are weak, hapless victims, and as a feminist, I find it offensive.

-Says the person who thinks all women should carry weapons

Your hypocrisy would be laughable if we were on a more light hearted topic. Instead, I'm closer to crying.

[Kvatchdom]

Or generate a state-controlled brothel system, with free sex for all who crave for it.

[Tsuntion]

I think rape is preventable, just it's not really the job of the victims to do that.

How to stop rape.

(Image)

That image implies that women are weak, hapless victims, and as a feminist, I find it offensive.

I honestly don't see how it implies anything beyond rape being the fault of a rapist. It doesn't say something like "Be careful to avoid forcing a woman into sex because she won't be able to resist you physically".

[Wikkiwallana]

Or generate a state-controlled brothel system, with free sex for all who crave for it.

Casual sex is already quite available, yet rape still happens. Somehow, I think there is more to it than a desire to get laid once in a while.

[Rereumrari]

I think NS simply needs to get over its obsession with rape. I'm starting to grow concerned for NS.

What's this "obsession with rape"? I'll stop discussing rape when rape stops happening. It's a problem. It needs to be tackled.

It will never stop happening, though. Society is imperfect. There will always be murders, muggings, rapes, and beatings. Worrying about what you can't control will just destroy you inside.

[Bottle]

I think NS simply needs to get over its obsession with rape. I'm starting to grow concerned for NS.

Cause if we stop talking about it, it will go away, right?

I guess if you are lucky enough to belong to a group whose odds of being raped are vanishingly small, that's true.

[Uawc]

How are firearms going to stop date rape, far and away the most common form of rape?

I'm not saying that weapons can stop every form of rape all the time. Just that it can reduce the chances.

-snip-

But when you say that women should learn to carry and use weapons, you are, like it or not, saying that some people who have been raped might not have been raped if they had carried weapons. That's victim blaming.

I'm not trying to make anybody feel bad, but I want to ask you to look at the stats and then come back and tell me that I'm wrong.

That image implies that women are weak, hapless victims, and as a feminist, I find it offensive.

-Says the person who thinks all women should carry weapons

Your hypocrisy would be laughable if we were on a more light hearted topic. Instead, I'm closer to crying.

I fail to see how this is hypocritical at all. Granted, I'm not a liberal in any sense of the word, so I'm not looking at this through a liberal point of view.

[Ostroeuropa]

That image implies that women are weak, hapless victims, and as a feminist, I find it offensive.

I honestly don't see how it implies anything beyond rape being the fault of a rapist. It doesn't say something like "Be careful to avoid forcing a woman into sex because she won't be able to resist you physically".

It ignores that men are also raped, and implies only woman are raped.
Ergo, it implies only men are capable of rape, and only women are capable of being raped.

[Varijnland]

Yes, it is preventable. There's not that much more to say. You know the drill, stay in groups, don't walk home on your own yada yada yada etc etc.

[Kvatchdom]

Or generate a state-controlled brothel system, with free sex for all who crave for it.

Casual sex is already quite available, yet rape still happens. Somehow, I think there is more to it than a desire to get laid once in a while.

But free sex with nothing but asking for it is not. It should be made easier, and brothels made legal.

[Uawc]

Yes, it is preventable. There's not that much more to say. You know the drill, stay in groups, don't walk home on your own yada yada yada etc etc.

But apparently you're victim blaming by implying that there is any way that rape could have been prevented, the same way you'd be victim blaming if a career criminal had his home invaded and his skull ventilated by some other criminals.

[Wallonochia]

That image implies that women are weak, hapless victims, and as a feminist, I find it offensive.

It does no such thing and I suspect that you're aware of that.

[Ostroeuropa]

That image implies that women are weak, hapless victims, and as a feminist, I find it offensive.

It does no such thing and I suspect that you're aware of that.

It explicitly mentions women as the victims of rape. It's a sexist poster.
It implies that men are incapable of being raped (Sexist against men)
And that only women care capable of being raped (Sexist against women)
You could follow every single one of the posters rules (Except the last) and still be a rapist if you target men.

[Uawc]

It does no such thing and I suspect that you're aware of that.

It explicitly mentions women as the victims of rape. It's a sexist poster.
It implies that men are incapable of being raped (Sexist against men)
And that only women care capable of being raped (Sexist against women)

That's not why it offends me, because statistically, it is generally men who rape women.

It offends me because it only speaks to potential rapists and doesn't address what women can do.

However, reading it again, it does strike me as satirical.

[Tsuntion]

I honestly don't see how it implies anything beyond rape being the fault of a rapist. It doesn't say something like "Be careful to avoid forcing a woman into sex because she won't be able to resist you physically".

It ignores that men are also raped, and implies only woman are raped.
Ergo, it implies only men are capable of rape, and only women are capable of being raped.

Ah, okay; I've gotten so used to seeing female-on-someone or someone-on-male rape being ignored that I don't really register it any more, I guess. I should work on changing that part of my thoughts.

What's this "obsession with rape"? I'll stop discussing rape when rape stops happening. It's a problem. It needs to be tackled.

It will never stop happening, though. Society is imperfect. There will always be murders, muggings, rapes, and beatings. Worrying about what you can't control will just destroy you inside.

But why can't we try to think of ways to reduce it? People will (probably) always die from illness, but that doesn't mean we don't work on medicine.