Charged with murder for killing burgler, guess which country

[Skeptikosia]

Man charged over 'burglar murder'

A man has been charged with murdering a 17-year-old who was stabbed after breaking into a house in Nottingham.

Omari Roberts is accused of stabbing Tyler Juett, 17, and a 14-year-old as they broke into the house in Heathfield Road, Old Basford, on 13 March.

Mr Juett, of Aspley, died later at Nottingham's Queen's Medical Centre.

The Crown Prosecution Service said 23-year-old Mr Roberts' alleged actions were "not reasonable" and he should face prosecution.

As well as the murder charge, Mr Roberts, of Heathfield Road in Old Basford, Nottingham, is accused of wounding with intent.

He appeared at Nottingham Magistrates' Court earlier and was sent for trial at the city's crown court, where he is due to appear on 10 November, a court official said.

Mr Juett's 14-year-old companion, who cannot be identified, pleaded guilty to burglary at Nottingham Youth Court on 14 May and was sentenced to two years' detention.

[Fartsniffage]

What is your point?

[Tubbsalot]

Murder considered "a bit of an overreaction," news at nine...

It's not like the guy was even armed. Standard practise in most countries is to not kill people you find in your house, even if they appear to be stealing things.

[Conserative Morality]

If someone broke into my house, I'd stab them too. You don't break into someone's house, steal their stuff, and then expect them to NOT PANIC!

[Parthenon]

Seems like he let one get away, shame on him.

[EvilDarkMagicians]

What is your point?

My thoughts exactly.

@Skeptikosia
Haven't you ever heard of 'Do the crime, do the time'?
:l

[Westeroth]

Murder considered "a bit of an overreaction," news at nine...

It's not like the guy was even armed. Standard practise in most countries is to not kill people you find in your house, even if they appear to be stealing things.

But... it's fun.

[EvilDarkMagicians]

If someone broke into my house, I'd stab them too. You don't break into someone's house, steal their stuff, and then expect them to NOT PANIC!

When I panic I do not stab people.

[Conserative Morality]

Murder considered "a bit of an overreaction," news at nine...

It's not like the guy was even armed. Standard practise in most countries is to not kill people you find in your house, even if they appear to be stealing things.

Over here, if you believe they have the intention of harming you (As one could easily assume if they've broken into your house and have begun rummaging around in your things without a warrant), attacking them would be self-defense.

[Conserative Morality]

When I panic I do not stab people.

If I were to be panicked and believe my life could be in danger, hand me the knife.

[Sdaeriji]

Not enough information.

[Charlotte Ryberg]

I think in this case there needs to be a balance between law and order and safety, because if we let people kill burglars without punishment then we could be at risk of mass vigilantism. However, I see in any case burglary is not acceptable and every household has the right to defend themselves, but if we become too paranoid about what counts as "reasonable force" then the innocent will be likely to feel powerless, but if we allow any use of force then not only it will deter crime, but people may be scared of visiting each other.

[Skeptikosia]

What is your point?

My thoughts exactly.

@Skeptikosia
Haven't you ever heard of 'Do the crime, do the time'?
:l

Homocide in the public interest in my opinion.

My stuff is more valuable to me than your life under those conditions.

And since I'm not psychic I can't determine if you're there for the china or my anal virginity.

[Sdaeriji]

Murder considered "a bit of an overreaction," news at nine...

It's not like the guy was even armed. Standard practise in most countries is to not kill people you find in your house, even if they appear to be stealing things.

Over here, if you believe they have the intention of harming you (As one could easily assume if they've broken into your house and have begun rummaging around in your things without a warrant), attacking them would be self-defense.

But, theoretically, if you continued to attack them even after the threat was removed, then you would have left the realm of self-defense.

[Ewa beach]

The burgler deserved it. Is that even how you spell burgler?

[The Romulan Republic]

Seems like he let one get away, shame on him.

So he should have chased the other one down and made sure he was dead, even if he was no longer in any danger?

I suppose you think we should go back to hanging thieves like the good old days? Or should '"Justice" simply be left in the hands of vigilantes?

[EvilDarkMagicians]

When I panic I do not stab people.

If I were to be panicked and believe my life could be in danger, hand me the knife.

The burglar was not armed...
Plus, if your in the U.K you know you'll get done for murder
Sooooo I would think about picking up the knife and then
stabbing someone with it.

[Fartsniffage]

Homocide in the public interest in my opinion.

My stuff is more valuable to me than your life under those conditions.

And since I'm not psychic I can't determine if you're there for the china or my anal virginity.

Fair enough, now this guys gets to show all that in court and a jury of his peers will make the decision as to whether he was justified in his actions.

What's your problem with this again?

[Conserative Morality]

But, theoretically, if you continued to attack them even after the threat was removed, then you would have left the realm of self-defense.

If. Seeing as the burgler died at a medical centre and not in the man's home, I think one could safely assume that he did not continue to stab him after he was bleeding and on the ground.

[Rikese]

What is your point?

My thoughts exactly.

@Skeptikosia
Haven't you ever heard of 'Do the crime, do the time'?
:l

Homocide in the public interest in my opinion.

My stuff is more valuable to me than your life under those conditions.

And since I'm not psychic I can't determine if you're there for the china or my anal virginity.

And if you have your daughter in the house? Do you curl up into a ball and hope they don't hurt her? Is that crook's life really that much more important than that frivolous thing called her 'emotional well-being'?

[Ewa beach]

Seems like he let one get away, shame on him.

So he should have chased the other one down and made sure he was dead, even if he was no longer in any danger?

I suppose you think we should go back to hanging thieves like the good old days? Or should '"Justice" simply be left in the hands of vigilantes?

Yes, of course!!

[Sidebody]

Murder considered "a bit of an overreaction," news at nine...

It's not like the guy was even armed. Standard practise in most countries is to not kill people you find in your house, even if they appear to be stealing things.

Over here, if you believe they have the intention of harming you (As one could easily assume if they've broken into your house and have begun rummaging around in your things without a warrant), attacking them would be self-defense.

Over here it's the same but I suspect in both countries a section of self defence law would cover reasonable force. We don't have enough information to determine whether he did in fact use excessive measures

[Skeptikosia]

I think in this case there needs to be a balance between law and order and safety, because if we let people kill burglars without punishment then we could be at risk of mass vigilantism. However, I see in any case burglary is not acceptable and every household has the right to defend themselves, but if we become too paranoid about what counts as "reasonable force" then the innocent will be likely to feel powerless, but if we allow any use of force then not only it will deter crime, but people may be scared of visiting each other.

It think you just caused me to take a day off from the internet.

One has to wonder how some people can commit to breathing without wondering if they're using up some other person's air which might cause them discomfort or fear.

[Robarya]

Although I have done a few burglaries, I don't see anything strange in killing to defend one's property. He should not even be charged, imo. He simply did whatever it took to defend his possessions and possibly himself & family members aswell.

[The White Doe]

unless he snuck up on the kid and slit his throat, i really dont see the problem. i'd be willing to bet they attacked him during the break-in and he defended himself. regardless, they put themselves in this situation