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[DRAFT] Tourist International Protection Act

Postby Rightport » Thu Dec 27, 2012 4:00 pm

Tourist International Protection Act


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RECOGNIZING that people may want to travel to different nations for many purposes like vacations,sightseeing or visiting family members.

DEFINES
A tourist as a person who travels to a foreign nation for visiting purposes

CLARIFIES that this is only for crimes done by tourists in foreign nations that are seen as a small offence by that foreign nation which would result in deportation but not jail time.

(ii} :that this does not affect a nation's ability to permanently ban nationals that have been deported from re entering

UNDERSTANDING that some tourists may break laws of foreign nations while visiting

FURTHER UNDERSTANDING that nations may detain foreign nationals until deportation

OBSERVING that those tourists arrested by Foreign Authorities are sometimes physically abused before deportation.

MANDATES
(i) :that all member nations come to an agreement that they will ensure the maximum safety of those foreign nationals while in their custody.

(ii) :that no foreign national arrested in their nation may be abused in any way by authorities or by other inmates.

(iii) :that member nations must deport those foreign nationals as soon as the first transportation is available.This is only for nations that do not require foreign nationals who are waiting deportation to pay for their own transportation.

(iiii) :that all member nations follow the correct deportation methods issued by the WA at all times

(iiii) :nations to submit a report of the crime to the nations of those nationals

FURHTER MANDATING
(i) :that nations of any national arrested in a foreign nation must respect the laws of that foreign nation
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Postby Araraukar » Thu Dec 27, 2012 4:14 pm

So you're wanting to extend diplomatic immunity to tourists? Really? (Please tell me I read that wrong.)
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Postby Point Breeze » Thu Dec 27, 2012 4:22 pm

In my city, foreign nationals who commit a crime in city limits are held as a citizen of the city and will be adjudicated as such. After finishing their sentence, they're released to their home nation.

Are you seeking to create an international standard procedure for tourists involved in crimes abroad? There is already a resolution covering international extradition, so make sure you review that and won't be duplicating.

Many other resolutions cover the rights of those accused, in trial, and in prisons (Habeas Corpus, Treatment of Inmates, etc.).
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Postby Mallorea and Riva » Thu Dec 27, 2012 7:07 pm

I don't see a proposal here. There's not much point in arguing over whether or not we should legislate on something if we have no legislation to look at.
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Postby Kartolandia » Thu Dec 27, 2012 7:12 pm

We understand the good-will in your proposal but we are more worried with the safety of our citizens first. Any other national would recieve the same treatment.

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Postby Rightport » Thu Dec 27, 2012 7:21 pm

Kartolandia wrote:We understand the good-will in your proposal but we are more worried with the safety of our citizens first. Any other national would recieve the same treatment.

Kindly



Thank you for understanding.The purpose of this is to protect each country citizens as you are worried about the safety of your citizens.That is what this is for but at the same time to be fair in serving justice to those citizens who disrespect and break laws in foreign countries,and that is by making sure no citizen is physically abused while in foreign authorities custody and also to make sure that after deportation if these citizens are found in the wrong to make sure be fair to that country by taking the appropriate action against that citizen who decided to break laws of that country

The whole purpose of this is to make sure that when these cases occur both parties are treated fair and is resolved in a peaceful manner.
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Postby Rightport » Thu Dec 27, 2012 7:23 pm

Kartolandia wrote:We understand the good-will in your proposal but we are more worried with the safety of our citizens first. Any other national would recieve the same treatment.

Kindly


We also understand that your country might treat foreign nationals the same as stated above but what about those other countries that don't.....see the reason for this
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Postby Point Breeze » Thu Dec 27, 2012 7:36 pm

Alright, I'll bite. Specifically what would your proposal include? How would you guarantee the safety of tourists abroad?
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Postby Rightport » Thu Dec 27, 2012 8:43 pm

Point Breeze wrote:Alright, I'll bite. Specifically what would your proposal include? How would you guarantee the safety of tourists abroad?


Well by doing this we this will ensure that all specifically WA member nations will be in compliance with this Act.Now in a case where this is not being followed by one of our member nations we can immediately warn our people about that nation and would allow our people to know which country we recommend safe and which is not.

See you have to understand right now we have no record or registry of safe nations for our people to visit but by creating an act such as this will minimize the chance of this happening as nations would not want their name on the International list as a no visit place.

WA member nations are expected to comply with the rules and Acts that are being passed in the WA and By making an act that will bring nations to an agreement like this we can prevent stuff like this from happening
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Postby Rightport » Thu Dec 27, 2012 8:48 pm

We can use Rightport as a good example.In Rightport we make sure that all tourist from any country is treated fair and is safe.We would like to see other nations do the same and protect our citizens who may be visiting their countries as well.
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Postby Wheeled States of Bifid » Thu Dec 27, 2012 8:59 pm

Well by doing this we this will ensure that all specifically WA member nations will be in compliance with this Act.


I believe that the question we're all asking is "What Act?"
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Postby Rightport » Thu Dec 27, 2012 9:15 pm

No offense but please use common sense here..this is what I am prepared to propose as a resolution reason for "Opinions"being placed in the title.I wanted to get opinions from the International Community before going head and making a draft.The Act is the actual thing I am trying to get passed
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Postby Frisbeeteria » Thu Dec 27, 2012 9:35 pm

Rightport wrote:No offense but please use common sense here ... The Act is the actual thing I am trying to get passed

No offense but please use common sense here ... until you post The Act you want to pass, we have nothing to discuss. Draft something as a baseline, then take suggestions and make edits. If all you have to discuss is some ideas you're keeping hidden in your brain, this topic is spam and will soon be locked.

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Postby Point Breeze » Fri Dec 28, 2012 1:11 am

Alright, sir You want my opinion on what you have (nothing)? Then I'll gladly give it. To be honest, I don't feel like any new legislation is needed on this topic. Many laws already protect the rights of those accused of crimes, regardless of nationality or jurisdiction. There are also acts governing extradition procedures. The government of Point Breeze is of the opinion that all legal bases have been covered. If you could demonstrate an area where legislation is needed to correct some grievous wrong in the tourism industry, then we would of course reconsider.
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Postby Bears Armed » Fri Dec 28, 2012 4:23 am

Rightport wrote:The purpose of this is to protect each country citizens as you are worried about the safety of your citizens.That is what this is for but at the same time to be fair in serving justice to those citizens who disrespect and break laws in foreign countries,and that is by making sure no citizen is physically abused while in foreign authorities custody

We already have resolutions on the subjects of fair trials and the proper treatment of the imprisoned.

And why privilege tourists over people who are travelling abroad for business purposes [for example], anyhows?
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Postby Rightport » Fri Dec 28, 2012 9:35 am

Bears Armed wrote:
Rightport wrote:The purpose of this is to protect each country citizens as you are worried about the safety of your citizens.That is what this is for but at the same time to be fair in serving justice to those citizens who disrespect and break laws in foreign countries,and that is by making sure no citizen is physically abused while in foreign authorities custody

We already have resolutions on the subjects of fair trials and the proper treatment of the imprisoned.

And why privilege tourists over people who are travelling abroad for business purposes [for example], anyhows?


I know that there are resolutions on the subject of fair trials and imprisonment but this is to protect you citizens while they are visiting as a "visitor" in a foreign country to make sure they are not mistreated or abused in any way if they happens to get arrested.
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Postby Rightport » Fri Dec 28, 2012 9:36 am

Since you are all disagreeing with this act,is there something that the Extradition Act did not cover that you may have in mind for me to create a resolution about?

Most of those acts are mainly covering people who may have immigrated illegally and overstayed and are locked up and waiting to be deported,therefore ensuring the safety of those people while waiting deportation.

This is an act to protect tourists if they happens to get arrested during their visits,and to make sure those individuals home nations know their people are safe while arrested abroad.
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Postby Abacathea » Fri Dec 28, 2012 12:52 pm

Whilst I understand the sentiment, I dont like the notion that I have to deport citizens back, why can't I subject them to my penal laws seeing as it was my justice laws they broke in the first place?
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Abacathea wrote:Whilst I understand the sentiment, I dont like the notion that I have to deport citizens back, why can't I subject them to my penal laws seeing as it was my justice laws they broke in the first place?

That's why I thought this was diplomatic immunity revisited, because that's the most you can do to diplomats found breaking your laws; sending them back home.
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Araraukar wrote:
Abacathea wrote:Whilst I understand the sentiment, I dont like the notion that I have to deport citizens back, why can't I subject them to my penal laws seeing as it was my justice laws they broke in the first place?

That's why I thought this was diplomatic immunity revisited, because that's the most you can do to diplomats found breaking your laws; sending them back home.


I see your viewpoint, and for that reason would be inclined to oppose this legislation until such a time as that was addressed.
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Postby Rightport » Fri Dec 28, 2012 1:23 pm

Abacathea wrote:Whilst I understand the sentiment, I dont like the notion that I have to deport citizens back, why can't I subject them to my penal laws seeing as it was my justice laws they broke in the first place?


This has been an ongoing problem between nations because while some nations feel they should have the right to keep foreign nationals and decide the penalty for them others feel as if their citizens are being held by foreign authorities when they disagree.

Since nations cannot come to an agreement this would help to avoid all the problems of nations trying to get back their citizens and nations not wanting to.This will ensure that both sides win by
1)ensuring every tourist is safe and returned back home
2)ensuring that after they are turned back justice is served and everything is played fair.
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Rightport wrote:2)ensuring that after they are turned back justice is served and everything is played fair.

Take in example drugs. Possessing drugs is illegal in Araraukar. But it may not be illegal in the person's country of origin. In Araraukar, if you're found to possess drugs (not for purposes of selling or moving them across the border, simply having them on your person), they are taken away, you are fined, and will have to serve time in prison (severity depends on amount and type of drug, some are "more banned" than others). If I were to deport said person back to their own country, where it wasn't a crime, they would walk free, and no justice would have been served, from my point of view.
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Postby Wheeled States of Bifid » Fri Dec 28, 2012 1:36 pm

(i) :that all member nations come to an agreement that they will ensure the maximum safety of those foreign nationals while in custody.

(ii) :that no foreign national arrested in their nation may be abused in any way by authorities or whiles in jail.


These are already covered in other resolutions, they just don't make distinctions between natives and foreigners.

(iii) :that member nations must deport those foreign nationals as soon as the first flight is available to the home nation of those foreign nationals.


Why can't they face the same penalties as the citizens of the nation in question?

(iiii) :that all member nations follow the correct deportation methods issued by the WA at all times


Which we already do.

(iiii) :nations to keep an investigation report of the crime for a period of 3 years minimum for proof so that they may be reviewed at any given point by the the nations of those nationals to determine what should be done or by the WA for any other purposes upon request.


This feels like micromanagement

FURHTER MANDATING
(i) :that nations of those nationals arrested abroad must respect the laws of that foreign nation
by following the correct procedures given by the WA which will ensure the correct action is
taken against those who break laws of foreign nations.


I suspect you're going to get flack for this because many nations don't want to enforce another nation's laws on their own citizens.
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