American Catholics(both libreal and conservative) disobey...

[Godwinsplot]

Equals our collective votes to ban the Catholic Church on the following grounds:

1. It isn't Christian - it treats women and gay people as second class.
2. It isn't a Church - Jesus said 'The Church of God is within you'.
3. It isn't fun - apart from Father Ted.
4. It doesn't give discounts to regular customers - apart from pedophile priests.
5. See above.

Syndicated throughout.

[Galloism]

Tell me, how is contraception against the spiritual well-being of people?

I'll answer this in two ways. the first one in that, as I said before, not using contreceptive would imply a greater faith in "god's plan for you" or however you choose to put it. more faith=less chance of eternal damnation. the second way to answer this is that god could choose to define contraceptives as bad as a test. I know that statement is overused, but tests imposed by god to weed out people with less faith would be a logical process to keep only those with the most faith, and they are, in fact, canon.

Attention, ladies and germs.

You heard it here first:

It's good for you spiritually to trust in God's plan, so avoid those seatbelts, hard hats, and life jackets. Wearing them shows you lack trust in God's plan for you.

[Tekania]

I'll answer this in two ways. the first one in that, as I said before, not using contreceptive would imply a greater faith in "god's plan for you" or however you choose to put it. more faith=less chance of eternal damnation. the second way to answer this is that god could choose to define contraceptives as bad as a test. I know that statement is overused, but tests imposed by god to weed out people with less faith would be a logical process to keep only those with the most faith, and they are, in fact, canon.

Attention, ladies and germs.

You heard it here first:

It's good for you spiritually to trust in God's plan, so avoid those seatbelts, hard hats, and life jackets. Wearing them shows you lack trust in God's plan for you.

That's pretty much what it comes down to. Of course they won't apply such consistently.

[Disserbia]

I thought Catholics went 60-40 for Obama.

Conservative Catholics ignore the teachings of Second Vatican Council

That's quite the generalization.

If there is anything that is universally true about Catholicism it's that you can never win. We have an expression for this, but its not appropriate for many reasons.

[The Realm of God]

No like me they realise that Liberty and Equality means secularism and any attempt to spread religious morality by law is evil. By all means follow your religion but do not legislate it!

[Disserbia]

No like me they realise that Liberty and Equality means secularism and any attempt to spread religious morality by law is evil. By all means follow your religion but do not legislate it!

What about the healthcare bit...

[The Realm of God]

No like me they realise that Liberty and Equality means secularism and any attempt to spread religious morality by law is evil. By all means follow your religion but do not legislate it!

What about the healthcare bit...

You can choose to have an abortion or to get a packet of condoms no one is forcing you too. The requirement to offer medical services is in no way infringing on freedom of concious.

[Disserbia]

What about the healthcare bit...

You can choose to have an abortion or to get a packet of condoms no one is forcing you too. The requirement to offer medical services is in no way infringing on freedom of concious.

So theoretically, should one refuse or not if they are required?

I agree with you btw...

[The Realm of God]

You can choose to have an abortion or to get a packet of condoms no one is forcing you too. The requirement to offer medical services is in no way infringing on freedom of concious.

So theoretically, should one refuse or not if they are required?

I agree with you btw...

None should refuse anyone the treatment they are required to give them. Since the medical professionals in question are Catholic they should "Do unto others what they wish to be done unto them."

[Disserbia]

So theoretically, should one refuse or not if they are required?

I agree with you btw...

None should refuse anyone the treatment they are required to give them. Since the medical professionals in question are Catholic they should "Do unto others what they wish to be done unto them."

That leaves some room for interpretation I think.

[The Realm of God]

None should refuse anyone the treatment they are required to give them. Since the medical professionals in question are Catholic they should "Do unto others what they wish to be done unto them."

That leaves some room for interpretation I think.

I am sure if they begged for medical services they would want someone to treat them, don't you think.

[Disserbia]

That leaves some room for interpretation I think.

I am sure if they begged for medical services they would want someone to treat them, don't you think.

Yeah, but this reminds me a bit of when you ask a friend to stop you from doing something in advance.

[The Realm of God]

I am sure if they begged for medical services they would want someone to treat them, don't you think.

Yeah, but this reminds me a bit of when you ask a friend to stop you from doing something in advance.

It's a complex issue because people are people. I am empathetic to the point where things like that do not cross my mind. I'm also one of those people who will go out of his way not to offend anyone. Some people are much more logical thinkers.

Still I think doctors should put aside there religious morality when treating patients. If they think they have done something wrong? That's why we have confession.

[Disserbia]

Yeah, but this reminds me a bit of when you ask a friend to stop you from doing something in advance.

It's a complex issue because people are people. I am empathetic to the point where things like that do not cross my mind. I'm also one of those people who will go out of his way not to offend anyone. Some people are much more logical thinkers.

Still I think doctors should put aside there religious morality when treating patients. If they think they have done something wrong? That's why we have confession.

Yeah the conflict between doing earthly good and heavenly good is complicated.

[The Realm of God]

It's a complex issue because people are people. I am empathetic to the point where things like that do not cross my mind. I'm also one of those people who will go out of his way not to offend anyone. Some people are much more logical thinkers.

Still I think doctors should put aside there religious morality when treating patients. If they think they have done something wrong? That's why we have confession.

Yeah the conflict between doing earthly good and heavenly good is complicated.

Well that's why we have.....*looks at flag*......Ecumenical Jedi?

[Phocidaea]

Of course.

I always wondered why American Catholics haven't already split off and made the American Catholic church, given the vastly different views many have on both theology and especially on politics compared with Rome.

[Ashmoria]

Of course.

I always wondered why American Catholics haven't already split off and made the American Catholic church, given the vastly different views many have on both theology and especially on politics compared with Rome.

because that wouldnt be the one true church established by jesus christ.

[Phocidaea]

Of course.

I always wondered why American Catholics haven't already split off and made the American Catholic church, given the vastly different views many have on both theology and especially on politics compared with Rome.

because that wouldnt be the one true church established by jesus christ.

But Martin Luther did something very similar, and his views were even closer to prevailing Catholic policy than those of many modern American Catholics.

[Geilinor]

It's the Protestants that majority voted for Romney.

[Capitolinium]

No, I am asking that why can someone say they agree with everything the Church teaches and they don't.

So if you're a Christian, you have to agree with everything Christ did? I'm pretty sure if I slapped a Christian, they'd slap me back and not slap their other cheek.

It depends on the circumstances. There has been quite a lot of debate on that particular bit of scripture over the centuries: what constitutes a slap a literal or figurative slap? How many slaps - one slap or an endless number? If an endless number, where does the right to defend oneself come in or must someone always allow themselves to be beaten without resistance? Etc.

[Capitolinium]

Of course.

I always wondered why American Catholics haven't already split off and made the American Catholic church, given the vastly different views many have on both theology and especially on politics compared with Rome.

No different than Europeans having differences with the Church, and they're in much closer proximity.

A lot of the posters in this thread are forgetting that the Church is 2000 years old. It's weathered one or two more serious crises than disobedient Americans or (gasp!) the disapproval of children and young adults on the Nations States Forum.