Hate Crimes Against The Disabled

[Amerandski]

Hate crimes against the disabled have been underreported. In light of the real harm caused by hate crimes against the disabled, I thought it would be appropriate to bring up a couple issues:

1. In light of a long history of abuse, forced sterilizatitions, eugenics, isolation in institutions, segregation and a 60 % unemployment rate for disabled people, why should WE want to live with YOU? In the light of these atrocities, do you think it would be better to form a sovereign nation of our own, of disabled folks by disabled folks?
2. Should we begin arming ourselves so the next creep doesn't get a jail sentence but a coffin for his efforts?



Btw, the Americans with Disabilities Act was passed in1991 and still we have to give tax breaks to employers to hire us. I guess that proves the saying, the more things change the more they stay the ssame.

[Eirenia]

Hate crimes against the disabled have been underreported. In light of the real harm caused by hate crimes against the disabled, I thought it would be appropriate to bring up a couple issues:

1. In light of a long history of abuse, forced sterilizatitions, eugenics, isolation in institutions, segregation and a 60 % unemployment rate for disabled people, why should WE want to live with YOU? In the light of these atrocities, do you think it would be better to form a sovereign nation of our own, of disabled folks by disabled folks?
2. Should we begin arming ourselves so the next creep doesn't get a jail sentence but a coffin for his efforts?



Btw, the Americans with Disabilities Act was passed in1991 and still we have to give tax breaks to employers to hire us. I guess that proves the saying, the more things change the more they stay the ssame.

No oppressed group is obligated to enjoy being around its oppressors. Victims have a right to fight back when they're assaulted. You are unlikely to form a sovereign nation, particularly in light of all the other oppressed groups that would also like sovereign nations, but you do have a right to safe spaces with just people within your group where the effects of societal stigma are lessened.

(You can fit just about any oppressed group in there if you want and the advice will be more or less still reflect my beliefs.)

[Zweite Alaje]

Hate crimes against the disabled have been underreported. In light of the real harm caused by hate crimes against the disabled, I thought it would be appropriate to bring up a couple issues:

1. In light of a long history of abuse, forced sterilizatitions, eugenics, isolation in institutions, segregation and a 60 % unemployment rate for disabled people, why should WE want to live with YOU? In the light of these atrocities, do you think it would be better to form a sovereign nation of our own, of disabled folks by disabled folks?
2. Should we begin arming ourselves so the next creep doesn't get a jail sentence but a coffin for his efforts?



Btw, the Americans with Disabilities Act was passed in1991 and still we have to give tax breaks to employers to hire us. I guess that proves the saying, the more things change the more they stay the ssame.

Arming ourselves....


Making a nation of disabled people is one of the most ridiculous notions I've ever heard. The disabled are unfortunate, but you can't expect employers to hire a person that can't perform their duties efficiently.

[Eirenia]

Hate crimes against the disabled have been underreported. In light of the real harm caused by hate crimes against the disabled, I thought it would be appropriate to bring up a couple issues:

1. In light of a long history of abuse, forced sterilizatitions, eugenics, isolation in institutions, segregation and a 60 % unemployment rate for disabled people, why should WE want to live with YOU? In the light of these atrocities, do you think it would be better to form a sovereign nation of our own, of disabled folks by disabled folks?
2. Should we begin arming ourselves so the next creep doesn't get a jail sentence but a coffin for his efforts?



Btw, the Americans with Disabilities Act was passed in1991 and still we have to give tax breaks to employers to hire us. I guess that proves the saying, the more things change the more they stay the ssame.

Arming ourselves....


Making a nation of disabled people is one of the most ridiculous notions I've ever heard. The disabled are unfortunate, but you can't expect employer to hire a person that can't perform there duties efficiently.

Hi, Alaje.
> assuming that a disability makes you incapable of performing duties

[Amerandski]

Hate crimes against the disabled have been underreported. In light of the real harm caused by hate crimes against the disabled, I thought it would be appropriate to bring up a couple issues:

1. In light of a long history of abuse, forced sterilizatitions, eugenics, isolation in institutions, segregation and a 60 % unemployment rate for disabled people, why should WE want to live with YOU? In the light of these atrocities, do you think it would be better to form a sovereign nation of our own, of disabled folks by disabled folks?
2. Should we begin arming ourselves so the next creep doesn't get a jail sentence but a coffin for his efforts?



Btw, the Americans with Disabilities Act was passed in1991 and still we have to give tax breemployers to hire us. I guess that proves the saying, the more things change the more they stay


the ssame.

No oppressed group is obligated to enjoy being around its oppressors. Victims have a right to fight back when they're assaulted. You are unlikely to form a sovereign nation, particularly in light of all the other oppressed groups that would also like sovereign nations, but you do have a right to safe spaces with just people within your group where the effects of societal stigma are lessened.

(You can fit just about any oppressed group in there if you want and the advice will be more or less still reflect my beliefs.)

sorry for writing so sloppy, I'm writing this with a Kindle. I agree totally with you, but there needs to be a movement towards Disabled Nationalism. We have it bad in the U.S, but other disabled folks have it way worse in other nations. As I see it, it would be like Israel, where any person who is disabled could imigrate . In this nation and elsewhere we are overwhelmed by the Typicals, so every bill is difficult to pass. In addition,we have virtually no representation in either the Congress or Senate.

[Call to power]

long history of abuse, forced sterilizatitions, eugenics, isolation in institutions, segregation and a 60 % unemployment rate for disabled people

Too fucking bad.

Look I want to give a shit, everyone should get a fair chance in life. But if you come at me crying, sounding like some disabled version of the Black Panthers, then you're just being an asshole. How about instead you start coming up with some solutions of how to accommodate disabled people into the workforce.

> assuming that a disability makes you incapable of performing duties

It does. A disability is exactly that and we build wheelchairs etc so that people are then able to perform duties.

>Trying to greentext outside of a chan-site
>implying arguing this way doesn't make you look a retard

[Coccygia]

Hate crimes against the disabled have been underreported. In light of the real harm caused by hate crimes against the disabled, I thought it would be appropriate to bring up a couple issues:

1. In light of a long history of abuse, forced sterilizatitions, eugenics, isolation in institutions, segregation and a 60 % unemployment rate for disabled people, why should WE want to live with YOU? In the light of these atrocities, do you think it would be better to form a sovereign nation of our own, of disabled folks by disabled folks?
2. Should we begin arming ourselves so the next creep doesn't get a jail sentence but a coffin for his efforts?



Btw, the Americans with Disabilities Act was passed in1991 and still we have to give tax breaks to employers to hire us. I guess that proves the saying, the more things change the more they stay the ssame.

"To every problem, there is a solution that is immediate, obvious, and wrong." - Mark Twain
You came up with two. Congrats.

[Amerandski]

Hate crimes against the disabled have been underreported. In light of the real harm caused by hate crimes against the disabled, I thought it would be appropriate to bring up a couple issues:

1. In light of a long history of abuse, forced sterilizatitions, eugenics, isolation in institutions, segregation and a 60 % unemployment rate for disabled people, why should WE want to live with YOU? In the light of these atrocities, do you think it would be better to form a sovereign nation of our own, of disabled folks by disabled folks?
2. Should we begin arming ourselves so the next creep doesn't get a jail sentence but a coffin for his efforts?



Btw, the Americans with Disabilities Act was passed in1991 and still we have to give tax breaks to employers to hire us. I guess that proves the saying, the more things change the more they stay the ssame.

Arming ourselves....


Making a nation of disabled people is one of the most ridiculous notions I've ever heard. The disabled are unfortunate, but you can't expect employers to hire a person that can't perform their duties efficiently.

1' It is untrue that we can't protect ourselves. I have multiple disabilities, bit rest assured I can and I will kill you if you try anything. My Glocksays your wrong, and the bullet hole in your forehead says your DEAD wrong.


2. Disabilities run the gamut from profound mental disabilities, to learning disabilities.We would select those with less severe physical and mental disabilities to join our militerymilitary.

3. I am NOT unfortunate, but blessed with my disabilities. It has made me a stronger person for it, becside I've had to work twice as hard go get half the results. Also, it saved me from being a pompous fool like YOU.

[Zweite Alaje]

Disabled Nationalism.

I'm done, just when I didn't think NSG could get any more degenerate.

[Ceannairceach]

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Alright, I'm going to do you a favor and suggest that you remove the insults and threats from that post. You do not want to incur the wrath of the mods.

[Lunatic Goofballs]

To hell with the disabled! I'm sick and tired of blind people trying to read my skin every time I get a rash! And no, the three Pulitzer Prizes I won don't mollify me!

[Amerandski]

Disabled Nationalism.

I'm done, just when I didn't think NSG could get any more degenerate.

Goodbye. Remember you have a cross burning tonight. Don't wanna miss your KKK meeting
.

[Ceannairceach]

Disabled Nationalism.

I'm done, just when I didn't think NSG could get any more degenerate.

QUILTBAG folks already have a nation off the coast of Australia. *nod*

[Mkuki]

Hate crimes against the disabled have been underreported. In light of the real harm caused by hate crimes against the disabled, I thought it would be appropriate to bring up a couple issues:

1. In light of a long history of abuse, forced sterilizatitions, eugenics, isolation in institutions, segregation and a 60 % unemployment rate for disabled people, why should WE want to live with YOU? In the light of these atrocities, do you think it would be better to form a sovereign nation of our own, of disabled folks by disabled folks?
2. Should we begin arming ourselves so the next creep doesn't get a jail sentence but a coffin for his efforts?



Btw, the Americans with Disabilities Act was passed in1991 and still we have to give tax breaks to employers to hire us. I guess that proves the saying, the more things change the more they stay the ssame.

Hate crimes is a pretty strong word.

[Mkuki]

Hate crimes against the disabled have been underreported. In light of the real harm caused by hate crimes against the disabled, I thought it would be appropriate to bring up a couple issues:

1. In light of a long history of abuse, forced sterilizatitions, eugenics, isolation in institutions, segregation and a 60 % unemployment rate for disabled people, why should WE want to live with YOU? In the light of these atrocities, do you think it would be better to form a sovereign nation of our own, of disabled folks by disabled folks?
2. Should we begin arming ourselves so the next creep doesn't get a jail sentence but a coffin for his efforts?



Btw, the Americans with Disabilities Act was passed in1991 and still we have to give tax breaks to employers to hire us. I guess that proves the saying, the more things change the more they stay the ssame.

Hate crimes is a pretty strong word.

[Amerandski]

[REDACTED]

Alright, I'm going to do you a favor and suggest that you remove the insults and threats from that post. You do not want to incur the wrath of the mods.

I'm sorry about it, but he was trolling. I wonder if it's just me that gets in trouble for trolling, or dose it apply when others troll ME?

[Zweite Alaje]

[REDACTED]

Alright, I'm going to do you a favor and suggest that you remove the insults and threats from that post. You do not want to incur the wrath of the mods.

It's ok, he'll learn. It worked on me (sorta), I resisted my usual urge to use a certain slur for the disabled.

[Eirenia]

No oppressed group is obligated to enjoy being around its oppressors. Victims have a right to fight back when they're assaulted. You are unlikely to form a sovereign nation, particularly in light of all the other oppressed groups that would also like sovereign nations, but you do have a right to safe spaces with just people within your group where the effects of societal stigma are lessened.

(You can fit just about any oppressed group in there if you want and the advice will be more or less still reflect my beliefs.)

sorry for writing so sloppy, I'm writing this with a Kindle. I agree totally with you, but there needs to be a movement towards Disabled Nationalism. We have it bad in the U.S, but other disabled folks have it way worse in other nations. As I see it, it would be like Israel, where any person who is disabled could imigrate . In this nation and elsewhere we are overwhelmed by the Typicals, so every bill is difficult to pass. In addition,we have virtually no representation in either the Congress or Senate.

Technically, there could be those in Congress and Senate with invisible disabilities, but I understand what you mean.

And while I do sympathize with some nationalist movements -- really, I do -- I think they tend to be fundamentally and irreparably flawed. I just don't think it's realistic.

The first is the question of where to go. In general, people are living in the places that are reasonably inhabitable; there are a whole lot of us. You have to move people to create an adequately sized nation and I don't think it's right to take people's homes in most situations -- not to mention that most land is already a part of a sovereign nation. I'd be wary of privileged people deciding where to put minorities and I'd be even less inclined to accept the idea of a forced takeover, if it were even possible, which I tend to doubt in face of military intervention.

Then you have to recognize that there are a lot of oppressed groups, none of which as more right to solidarity and safe space than another. Hypothetically, I suppose, you could talk about creating nations for a number of groups, but then you completely ignore people with intersectional identities. If you're a disabled person of color, do you go with a nationalist movement for your race and risk facing ableism? Do you go with a disabled nationalist movement and risk racism?

Then you have to recognize that packing up and moving is complicated and expensive. The people most able to deal with this are people who are otherwise privileged; the people who get left behind tend to be the most vulnerable. If there were a disabled nation and a significant number of the population left, all that would mean is that disabled people living in poverty or still in the custody of parents would have fewer advocates and less access to resources. If there were a queer nation, it would be impoverished queer people, closeted queer people, and queer youth who'd be hung out to dry.

tl;dr - a nice idea to think about sometimes but generally unattainable, unrealistic, and likely to leave behind people who really need their community.

[New Slifer]

In all honesty, if the person is without question unable to contribute to society, the hate crime towards said person is justified.

[Zweite Alaje]

I'm done, just when I didn't think NSG could get any more degenerate.

Goodbye. Remember you have a cross burning tonight. Don't wanna miss your KKK meeting
.

KKK? Ironic because I'm black.

Alright, I'm going to do you a favor and suggest that you remove the insults and threats from that post. You do not want to incur the wrath of the mods.

I'm sorry about it, but he was trolling. I wonder if it's just me that gets in trouble for trolling, or dose it apply when others troll ME?

I never troll. (Not on this site at least.)

[Eirenia]

Hate crimes against the disabled have been underreported. In light of the real harm caused by hate crimes against the disabled, I thought it would be appropriate to bring up a couple issues:

1. In light of a long history of abuse, forced sterilizatitions, eugenics, isolation in institutions, segregation and a 60 % unemployment rate for disabled people, why should WE want to live with YOU? In the light of these atrocities, do you think it would be better to form a sovereign nation of our own, of disabled folks by disabled folks?
2. Should we begin arming ourselves so the next creep doesn't get a jail sentence but a coffin for his efforts?



Btw, the Americans with Disabilities Act was passed in1991 and still we have to give tax breaks to employers to hire us. I guess that proves the saying, the more things change the more they stay the ssame.

Hate crimes is a pretty strong word.

...which is very applicable to many crimes, including those targeting disabled people.

[Maineiacs]

Also, it saved me from being a pompous fool like YOU.

*Psst.* No it hasn't. Seriously, as one disabled person to another, you're not helping.

[Ceannairceach]

In all honesty, if the person is without question unable to contribute to society, the hate crime towards said person is justified.

I deem you, considering your opinion, to be worthless to society.

Prepare to be culled.

[Eirenia]

In all honesty, if the person is without question unable to contribute to society, the hate crime towards said person is justified.

"Hate crimes are justified against people who I deem useless. What's that, OP? You want to get away from abled people? Why ever would you want that?"

[Ceannairceach]

Alright, I'm going to do you a favor and suggest that you remove the insults and threats from that post. You do not want to incur the wrath of the mods.

It's ok, he'll learn. It worked on me (sorta), I resisted my usual urge to use a certain slur for the disabled.

Whatever you say, darkie.