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by Williamson » Sat Dec 15, 2012 7:40 pm
by Wikkiwallana » Sat Dec 15, 2012 7:53 pm
Dumb Ideologies wrote:Halt!
Just because these people are stupid, wrong and highly dangerous does not mean you have the right to make them feel sad.
Avenio wrote:Just so you know, the use of the term 'sheep' 'sheeple' or any other herd animal-based terminology in conjunction with an exhortation to 'think outside the box' or stop going along with groupthink generally indicates that the speaker is actually more closed-minded on the subject than the people that he/she is addressing. At least, in my experience at least.
by Socialdemokraterne » Sat Dec 15, 2012 7:56 pm
Williamson wrote:secound even if all the bull crap he saying is true how he would vist our '100 trillion dollar debt"
by Obamacult » Sat Dec 15, 2012 8:49 pm
Esternial wrote:Obamacult wrote:
Maybe this will open the door: $100 trillion in unfunded debt, $16 trillion deficit. If we extrapolate these numbers into a normal household it would be like a family making $55,000 a year and owing over $55,000 in debt that they are force to pay back a portion each month with interest. Now please tell me how that doesn't suck big time ass? On the $100 trillion unfunded debt, it is analogous to my Uncle Jimbo who makes less than $40,000 a year borrowing a few million from his bookie, betting the money on the Cubs to win the World Series in 2012 and you do the math. But Jimbo is lucky, he just gets every bone in his body broken. We won't be that lucky. But I can see that when you bring truth to power to a socialism party you get ridiculed for trying to bring awareness about some sorry shit that is going to screw up our future because some dudes in Washington want to send their kids to private schools . So I won't waste my time anymore, it was more illuminating than fun.
BTW, in answer to the poll question, we owe a shit load that we don't have and don't have the deep pockets to ever get. The mean is prolly around $75 trillion, and the range is nuthin' to $250 trillion. The low end of the mean is from some dudes who say that weird crap that we owe it to ourselves, or we can just print more money, or we can raise taxes, stuff like that from dudes who have prolly taken enough ECO classes to be really dangerous with predictions.
Just sayin' , not hatin'
See the part in bold? Explain that please.
I know it sucks. My country has a 50% tax rate, how do you like that?
by Obamacult » Sat Dec 15, 2012 9:03 pm
Typhlochactas wrote:Obamacult wrote:
Try getting 100 trillion right every time you put it down, I got it wrong one time and now this is the whole enchilada that you guys use to discredit the substance of what I have proposed. Typical and not surprising that this triviality is what ya all are going to hang your hat on while your beloved Big Brother is spending your future away, albeit pot hole free. It won't matter how clean and true the roads are when you can't afford a car to drive on your pristine roads because every respectable employer has left the country because of incredibly destructive tax rates and regulations.
But go ahead, I put some zeros in the wrong place on a single post, hang your hat on that, and you might find a few other opportunities to divert attention away from your government spending your future away paying for things that won't be around or we no longer have the money to maintain when we are middle aged.
Blabity bla bla bla.
You said the deficit was 16 quadrillion. The deficit is actually much less than that. Even if you misplaced a zero, it does not matter. Taking away the extra 0's would mean that your post would say 'The deficit is 16 trillion', which is still wildly inaccurate. You think unfunded liabilities are part of the national debt. You throw around massive political cliches in every post. I have no reason to take your arguments seriously.
Furthermore, your mistakes are far more common than you would act like. Ladies and gentlemen of the NSG jury, exhibit A:Obamacult wrote:Because we are in debt up to $100,000,000,000,000 and I am pissed and worried about that. And the people that are drinking cool aid are either english majors who can't add or math majors who can't read. I mean, that $100 trillion is some serious crap that is going to be dumped in our backyards. Right.
The national debt is actually 16 trillion.
Exhibit B:Obamacult wrote:Okie dokie, when Big Ears took over from Big Dummy the deficit was $10 trillion. Today it is $16 trillion. 16-10=6. Unless, you drink kool aid and then you get tons of graphs and excuses and 'we didn't know it was that bad' and more poverty and more food stamps and more welfare and more gridlock.
The deficit was 1.2 trillion dollars when Obama took office. It is hundreds of billions now.
Exhibit C:Obamacult wrote:The gubbermint promises made to fund fantasyland health care and fantasyland social security is $100,000,000,000,000. The actual deficit right now is $16,000,000,000,000,000. Try to hang your hat on either one as anything but criminal and generational theft is an epic fail.
Nope.
Exhibit D:Obamacult wrote:What a minute, 5 sets of zeros is a hundred trillion! Who's the English major who can't add now ? LOL No matter the deficit is $16,000,000,000,000 and the unfunded debt is $100,000,000,000,000. I am pretty damn sure I got that right. But it don't matter, like my bad grammar don't matter, it means we all take a big bite outta a shit sandwich someday, courtesy of your boy Big Brotha.
Exhibit E:Obamacult wrote:Maybe this will open the door: $100 trillion in unfunded debt, $16 trillion deficit. If we extrapolate these numbers into a normal household it would be like a family making $55,000 a year and owing over $55,000 in debt that they are force to pay back a portion each month with interest. Now please tell me how that doesn't suck big time ass? On the $100 trillion unfunded debt, it is analogous to my Uncle Jimbo who makes less than $40,000 a year borrowing a few million from his bookie, betting the money on the Cubs to win the World Series in 2012 and you do the math. But Jimbo is lucky, he just gets every bone in his body broken. We won't be that lucky. But I can see that when you bring truth to power to a socialism party you get ridiculed for trying to bring awareness about some sorry shit that is going to screw up our future because some dudes in Washington want to send their kids to private schools . So I won't waste my time anymore, it was more illuminating than fun.
BTW, in answer to the poll question, we owe a shit load that we don't have and don't have the deep pockets to ever get. The mean is prolly around $75 trillion, and the range is nuthin' to $250 trillion. The low end of the mean is from some dudes who say that weird crap that we owe it to ourselves, or we can just print more money, or we can raise taxes, stuff like that from dudes who have prolly taken enough ECO classes to be really dangerous with predictions.
Just sayin' , not hatin'
I rest my case.
by Tmutarakhan » Sat Dec 15, 2012 9:07 pm
Obamacult wrote:
I made one typo and the peanut gallery gets crazy cuz you don't have anything else to hang your hat on.
Obamacult wrote: As I have always said, the deficit is $16 trillion
Obamacult wrote: unfunded debt is between $50-$200 trillion. We cool now?
Obamacult wrote: Yeah, Obama has raised the deficit hundreds of billions of dollars.
by Obamacult » Sat Dec 15, 2012 9:22 pm
Tmutarakhan wrote:Obamacult wrote:Someone posted that social security and health care are different funding streams, I really don't know what stream that dude is drinking from
It's called "reality", wish you could join us.Obamacult wrote: but the federal government spends and borrows over 40% of its current spending on social security and health care.
No, the Social Security and Medicare spending comes out of the payroll taxes and premium payments dedicated to those purposes, which are currently in surplus (supplying more money than the expenditures) although this will not always remain the case. The governmental borrowing is for the other parts of the budget, which income tax (and other revenues, but the income tax is the major source) woefully fails to cover thanks to George W. Bush's act of intentional sabotage.
by Obamacult » Sat Dec 15, 2012 9:29 pm
Socialdemokraterne wrote:Williamson wrote:secound even if all the bull crap he saying is true how he would vist our '100 trillion dollar debt"
Isn't it obvious? End the "ponzi scheme". Dissolve the state and federal governments, become an AnCap society. If the private sector always does everything better, why not?
...what's that you said, oh voice in my head? The private sector isn't inherently superior, and is just as susceptible to failure through principal-agent dilemmas? Mainstream economists on the macro and micro level recommend a combinatorial approach focusing on cooperation between public and private actors? The OP is a Poe?
Suggestion withdrawn.
by Tmutarakhan » Sat Dec 15, 2012 9:32 pm
Obamacult wrote:Tmutarakhan wrote:It's called "reality", wish you could join us.
No, the Social Security and Medicare spending comes out of the payroll taxes and premium payments dedicated to those purposes, which are currently in surplus (supplying more money than the expenditures) although this will not always remain the case. The governmental borrowing is for the other parts of the budget, which income tax (and other revenues, but the income tax is the major source) woefully fails to cover thanks to George W. Bush's act of intentional sabotage.
Srsly dude, spending today, not yesterday, not tomorrow, but today by the federal government is over 20% for both social security and 20% for health care.
Obamacult wrote: Check out this graph from the Bush and Romney bundler Center for Budget and Policy Priorities. Yeah, I know they are rightwing nutjobs, NOT, but they are all I had
by Obamacult » Sat Dec 15, 2012 9:35 pm
Tmutarakhan wrote:Obamacult wrote:
I made one typo and the peanut gallery gets crazy cuz you don't have anything else to hang your hat on.
What do you mean we don't have anything else? You have made errors in practically every statement you make.Obamacult wrote: As I have always said, the deficit is $16 trillion
That is incorrect. Learn the difference between "deficit" and "debt".Obamacult wrote: unfunded debt is between $50-$200 trillion. We cool now?
No, the "debt" is the 16 trillion.Obamacult wrote: Yeah, Obama has raised the deficit hundreds of billions of dollars.
No, Obama has reduced the deficit, however he has not brought the deficit down anywhere near to zero, so the debt continues to grow.
by Obamacult » Sat Dec 15, 2012 9:42 pm
Tmutarakhan wrote:Obamacult wrote:
Srsly dude, spending today, not yesterday, not tomorrow, but today by the federal government is over 20% for both social security and 20% for health care.
Which is covered by income streams dedicated to those purposes.Obamacult wrote: Check out this graph from the Bush and Romney bundler Center for Budget and Policy Priorities. Yeah, I know they are rightwing nutjobs, NOT, but they are all I had
You need somewhat broader sources of information. It would help if you would lose the attitude that you already know everything, and start listening to what patient people have attempted to explain to you right here on this thread.
by Obamacult » Sat Dec 15, 2012 9:52 pm
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