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Postby Mavorpen » Tue Dec 11, 2012 5:42 pm

Edit: Split from the Respecting Faith Thread. Enjoy. -NERV

Nightkill the Emperor wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:And you've just shown why belief in God/Hell is silly.

Thank you for playing along.

It proves equally well how atheism is silly.

Only if you don't know what atheism is.
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Postby Frisivisia » Tue Dec 11, 2012 5:43 pm

Vortropolis wrote:
Frisivisia wrote:Except that burden of proof rests on the person making outrageous claims. Namely, you.


What ''outrageous claim'' did I make?

That there is a God, heaven, hell etc.
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Postby Nightkill the Emperor » Tue Dec 11, 2012 5:43 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Nightkill the Emperor wrote:It proves equally well how atheism is silly.

Only if you don't know what atheism is.

Belief in no gods or supreme beings. That's the whole definition.
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Postby Frisivisia » Tue Dec 11, 2012 5:43 pm

Nightkill the Emperor wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:And you've just shown why belief in God/Hell is silly.

Thank you for playing along.

It proves equally well how atheism is silly.

Because it isn't an argument, it's a circlejerk. (Which I generally find to be lovely things, being a Hindu.)

Burden of proof is a thing. Which exists. And is logical.
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Postby Vortropolis » Tue Dec 11, 2012 5:43 pm

Frisivisia wrote:
Vortropolis wrote:
What ''outrageous claim'' did I make?

That there is a God, heaven, hell etc.


I never made that claim in this argument.
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Postby Frisivisia » Tue Dec 11, 2012 5:44 pm

Vortropolis wrote:
Frisivisia wrote:That there is a God, heaven, hell etc.


I never made that claim in this argument.

By being a theist, you already have. Unless you aren't, in which case, from where are you arguing?
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Postby Nightkill the Emperor » Tue Dec 11, 2012 5:44 pm

Frisivisia wrote:
Nightkill the Emperor wrote:It proves equally well how atheism is silly.

Because it isn't an argument, it's a circlejerk. (Which I generally find to be lovely things, being a Hindu.)

Burden of proof is a thing. Which exists. And is logical.

And?
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Postby Vortropolis » Tue Dec 11, 2012 5:44 pm

Nightkill the Emperor wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:Only if you don't know what atheism is.

Belief in no gods or supreme beings. That's the whole definition.


Ya, pretty much.
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Postby Mavorpen » Tue Dec 11, 2012 5:44 pm

Nightkill the Emperor wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:Only if you don't know what atheism is.

Belief in no gods or supreme beings. That's the whole definition.

No. It's lack of belief in god/gods.

Do you now want to argue not believing in unicorns is silly?
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Postby Mavorpen » Tue Dec 11, 2012 5:44 pm

Vortropolis wrote:
Nightkill the Emperor wrote:Belief in no gods or supreme beings. That's the whole definition.


Ya, pretty much.

No, pretty wrong.
"The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders. raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did."—former Nixon domestic policy chief John Ehrlichman

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Postby Nightkill the Emperor » Tue Dec 11, 2012 5:45 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Nightkill the Emperor wrote:Belief in no gods or supreme beings. That's the whole definition.

No. It's lack of belief in god/gods.

Do you now want to argue not believing in unicorns is silly?

No, I like Celestia.
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Postby Frisivisia » Tue Dec 11, 2012 5:45 pm

Nightkill the Emperor wrote:
Frisivisia wrote:Burden of proof is a thing. Which exists. And is logical.

And?

Burden of proof states that the one who makes a claim must prove their claim, not have it disproven. Bullshit until proven true.
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Postby Nightkill the Emperor » Tue Dec 11, 2012 5:45 pm

Frisivisia wrote:
Nightkill the Emperor wrote:And?

Burden of proof states that the one who makes a claim must prove their claim, not have it disproven. Bullshit until proven true.

And?
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Postby Mavorpen » Tue Dec 11, 2012 5:46 pm

Nightkill the Emperor wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:No. It's lack of belief in god/gods.

Do you now want to argue not believing in unicorns is silly?

No, I like Celestia.

So am I to take it you're admitting that you're wrong?
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Mavorpen wrote:
Nightkill the Emperor wrote:No, I like Celestia.

So am I to take it you're admitting that you're wrong?

Nope.
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Postby Mavorpen » Tue Dec 11, 2012 5:46 pm

Nightkill the Emperor wrote:
Frisivisia wrote:Burden of proof states that the one who makes a claim must prove their claim, not have it disproven. Bullshit until proven true.

And?

What was that about not getting into circlejerks? :roll:
"The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders. raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did."—former Nixon domestic policy chief John Ehrlichman

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Postby Frisivisia » Tue Dec 11, 2012 5:46 pm

Nightkill the Emperor wrote:
Frisivisia wrote:Burden of proof states that the one who makes a claim must prove their claim, not have it disproven. Bullshit until proven true.

And?

God is said claim. Therefore, since God is not proven, we assume God not to be real, a la Russell's Teapot (is it Russell's? I forget :( )
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Postby Nightkill the Emperor » Tue Dec 11, 2012 5:46 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Nightkill the Emperor wrote:And?

What was that about not getting into circlejerks? :roll:

Precisely my point. They're very stupid.
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Postby Vortropolis » Tue Dec 11, 2012 5:46 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Vortropolis wrote:
Ya, pretty much.

No, pretty wrong.


Atheism ''The theory or belief that God does not exist'' thats pretty much the same definition as nightkill, but with different wording,
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Postby Mavorpen » Tue Dec 11, 2012 5:47 pm

Nightkill the Emperor wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:So am I to take it you're admitting that you're wrong?

Nope.

I'm not seeing any evidence that you were right.
"The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders. raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did."—former Nixon domestic policy chief John Ehrlichman

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Postby Nightkill the Emperor » Tue Dec 11, 2012 5:47 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Nightkill the Emperor wrote:Nope.

I'm not seeing any evidence that you were right.

I'm not seeing any I'm wrong.

All I see is that circlejerks are utterly unproductive.
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Postby Mavorpen » Tue Dec 11, 2012 5:48 pm

Vortropolis wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:No, pretty wrong.


Atheism ''The theory or belief that God does not exist'' thats pretty much the same definition as nightkill, but with different wording,

Except that's not the definition of atheism in any dictionary I've ever seen. Did you take that from Conservapedia or something?
"The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders. raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did."—former Nixon domestic policy chief John Ehrlichman

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Postby Frisivisia » Tue Dec 11, 2012 5:48 pm

Nightkill the Emperor wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:I'm not seeing any evidence that you were right.

I'm not seeing any I'm wrong.

All I see is that circlejerks are utterly unproductive.

You are deliberately refusing to accept burden of proof. We don't have to disprove your bullshit statement, you have to prove it.
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Postby Vortropolis » Tue Dec 11, 2012 5:48 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Vortropolis wrote:
Atheism ''The theory or belief that God does not exist'' thats pretty much the same definition as nightkill, but with different wording,

Except that's not the definition of atheism in any dictionary I've ever seen. Did you take that from Conservapedia or something?


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Postby Mavorpen » Tue Dec 11, 2012 5:49 pm

Nightkill the Emperor wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:I'm not seeing any evidence that you were right.

I'm not seeing any I'm wrong.

All I see is that circlejerks are utterly unproductive.

Except YOU made it into a circle jerk. I actually wanted to debate. Instead, you felt the need to derail the thread into shit to make a point when we ALREADY ended the circle jerk.

Oh, and you're wrong.
"The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders. raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did."—former Nixon domestic policy chief John Ehrlichman

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