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[PASSED] Repeal "Liberate Nationalist Union"

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[PASSED] Repeal "Liberate Nationalist Union"

Postby Feux » Fri Dec 07, 2012 8:42 pm

The Security Council,

Recognizing the purpose of liberation resolutions to free regions from passwords that have been unwilling imposed upon or deemed unnecessary by the native communities within the regions concerning the liberation resolution;

Noting Security Council resolution number eighty-five was written to free Nationalist Union from the extremist left wing forces of Antifa;

Disappointed in how Nationalist Union fell to Antifa regardless of the liberation resolution to free the native community from the tyrannical administration established by the invading forces and the systematic dismantling of the community within the region;

Observing Antifa was successful in ascertaining its own administrative control over the region since April 10th, 2012 and replacing the original native community, which the liberation was written to protect, with members who's loyalty lays with that of the original invading force rendering the original purpose of the liberation obsolete;

Disillusioned in the conveyance the liberation resolution brings to the laughable and inept nature of a highly unskilled organization’s triumph that does not merit such attention;

Thankful that remnants of Nationalist Union's original native community have escaped the clutches of the Antifa forces by setting up residences within Union of Nationalists;

Further Recognizing the term native to be subjective to the individual or group of individuals that share in the same aspiration to advocate the barney that perhaps the current inhabiting company, which replaced the original dwellers, could be acknowledged to some extent as natives, which advocate the removal of this liberation;

Believing Security Council resolution number eight-five, at the current state, serves no purpose and should be repealed for the specified reasons above as well as cleanse the Security Council of despondent resolutions which could just serve as trophies for those that stand in opposition of the Security Council's mission to spread interregional peace and goodwill;

Hereby Repeals: "Liberate Nationalist Union"


Votes For: 6,606 (63%)
Votes Against: 3,857 (37%)

Implemented: Fri Dec 28 2012
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Postby Klaus Devestatorie » Fri Dec 07, 2012 9:34 pm

Why is this horrible resolution reappearing? Almost exactly the same thing has come up before and has been removed from the floor by the proposer. Please do the same.
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Postby Feux » Fri Dec 07, 2012 9:36 pm

Klaus Devestatorie wrote:Why is this horrible resolution reappearing? Almost exactly the same thing has come up before and has been removed from the floor by the proposer. Please do the same.

It seemed familiar when I was typing it up, the title I mean, but I don't see any reason to remove it.

EDIT: Found Jamie's version. Off to a great start. :P
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Postby Cerian Quilor » Fri Dec 07, 2012 11:44 pm

How is this horrible?
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Postby Paper Flowers » Sat Dec 08, 2012 12:13 am

Feux wrote:EDIT: Found Jamie's version. Off to a great start. :P


Are you any more able than he was to give a decent reason to repeal this? Your current draft says not.
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Postby Jamie Anumia » Sat Dec 08, 2012 1:59 am

I'm indifferent to this proposal. If it passes, it technically changes nothing, since they can still password at will with or without it.
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Postby Feux » Sat Dec 08, 2012 9:35 am

Paper Flowers wrote:
Feux wrote:EDIT: Found Jamie's version. Off to a great start. :P


Are you any more able than he was to give a decent reason to repeal this? Your current draft says not.

Well it would be extremely helpful for you to present a clause or two, that in your opinion, states a clear reason to repeal this rather than me guessing whether or not you can be convinced otherwise with random points of views till I have found one that sparks your interest; changing your opinion of this proposal in any other form presented.
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Postby Paper Flowers » Sat Dec 08, 2012 11:14 am

Feux wrote:
Paper Flowers wrote:
Are you any more able than he was to give a decent reason to repeal this? Your current draft says not.

Well it would be extremely helpful for you to present a clause or two, that in your opinion, states a clear reason to repeal this


There is no reason to repeal this that I can see, that is why I'm asking if you as an author claiming it should be can offer one. As it stands you seem to be offering basically the same arguments as Jamie did and I've already explained in that topic why those topics are not particularly impressive.
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Postby Feux » Sat Dec 08, 2012 12:19 pm

Paper Flowers wrote:
Feux wrote:Well it would be extremely helpful for you to present a clause or two, that in your opinion, states a clear reason to repeal this


There is no reason to repeal this that I can see


And I believe there is no reason for it to remain. Lets agree to disagree based off our believes regarding liberation resolutions rather than having you repeat yourself.
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Postby Proletaurus » Sat Dec 08, 2012 2:43 pm

This Draft Proposal is clearly offense against national suverenity of Nationalist Union and it's peaceful democratic population governed by Natives. Natives of Nationalist Union are conserned because of malicious attempts to destroy our beautiful regional landscape and this can be only seen as a direct attempt to try interfere our strict Enviromental Policy: Keep region pure from all sort of pollution, including all kind of Far-Right Wing Nationalism. Enviromentalists of Antifa managed to clean former junkyard of Nationalist Union after repeated attempts and it is only co-incidential that there were SC-Liberation voting ongoing when that happened.

Therefore Strongly against this Draft Proposal. Help Keep Nationalist Union's beautiful landscapes free from corrupted hands of False Claiming natives with irresponsible attitude to Our Regional Enviromentalism.

Let's see. Maybe Natives could openly declare our regional policy by adding tag 'Eco-Friendly' to our Native 'Tag Cloud'. :p

On behalf of Natives of Nationalist Union
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Postby Cerian Quilor » Sat Dec 08, 2012 4:05 pm

You lot at Antifa as much natives of Nationalist Union as Anglo-Saxons are native to the Americas.
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Postby Proletaurus » Sat Dec 08, 2012 4:31 pm

Cerian Quilor wrote:You lot at Antifa as much natives of Nationalist Union as Anglo-Saxons are native to the Americas.


That is not correct. I'm pretty sure that all peaceful, democratic and eco-friendly nations in Nationalist Union are genuine Natives, because these nations have been there since Founding of The region. You simply cannot Found Region in NationStates if it already exists. This clearly is not case with Nationalist Union.

The Vast and beautiful region, colonised by Antifa-enviromentalists was empty, un-populated savage wilderness when first colonist arrived, althought there were some swastika-carvings on stones and cryptic hieroglyphs on walls of Cave excavation sites, found by Archaelogic department of Antifa which clearly indicate that region was populated by some - now-extinct - primitives, propably some sort of Nationalist-tribes in distant past. Reasons for their extinction remains still little mysterious, but evidence from several different sites could tell us ugly story of their recless and wasteful habits to their natural environment, which could be reason of their self-extinction. Hard to know exact history of their culture as their cryptic Linear -Gamma stone carvings remain unciphered.

Nevertheless, it doesn't make difference. Those ancients are gone. Forever. New natives take care of that beautiful region and they make also sure it will not ever again degenerate to cultural levels, which assumed to be reason of extinction of Ancients. :lol:
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Postby Klaus Devestatorie » Sat Dec 08, 2012 5:50 pm

Proletaurus wrote:
Cerian Quilor wrote:You lot at Antifa as much natives of Nationalist Union as Anglo-Saxons are native to the Americas.


That is not correct. I'm pretty sure that all peaceful, democratic and eco-friendly nations in Nationalist Union are genuine Natives, because these nations have been there since Founding of The region. You simply cannot Found Region in NationStates if it already exists. This clearly is not case with Nationalist Union.

The Vast and beautiful region, colonised by Antifa-enviromentalists was empty, un-populated savage wilderness when first colonist arrived, althought there were some swastika-carvings on stones and cryptic hieroglyphs on walls of Cave excavation sites, found by Archaelogic department of Antifa which clearly indicate that region was populated by some - now-extinct - primitives, propably some sort of Nationalist-tribes in distant past. Reasons for their extinction remains still little mysterious, but evidence from several different sites could tell us ugly story of their recless and wasteful habits to their natural environment, which could be reason of their self-extinction. Hard to know exact history of their culture as their cryptic Linear -Gamma stone carvings remain unciphered.

Nevertheless, it doesn't make difference. Those ancients are gone. Forever. New natives take care of that beautiful region and they make also sure it will not ever again degenerate to cultural levels, which assumed to be reason of extinction of Ancients. :lol:


I suppose I'll give you points for the effort required to make that post. :P
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Postby Cerian Quilor » Sat Dec 08, 2012 9:18 pm

:rofl:

You get my vote against this repeal for sheer awesome.
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Postby Firstaria » Thu Dec 13, 2012 11:33 am

For the last time, is not hard.

Is the X region now in the hands of it's natives?

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Yes
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V

The native want the liberation repealed?

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Yes
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V

Go for it.




Any NO during this simple process means to hold off the hands from that. Repealing a liberation should be the SIMPLEST thing to do in the Security Council.
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Postby Paper Flowers » Thu Dec 13, 2012 11:49 am

Firstaria wrote:-snip-


Except that the region isn't in the hands of the natives, it's in the hands of the griefers who refounded it, so we should therefore leave the resolution in place.
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Postby Proletaurus » Thu Dec 13, 2012 12:48 pm

@Paperi kukkanen:

Kun et edes tiedä mistä puhut.

Natives of from various regions of NS Found region Because it did not exists before that. What Is Problem, Paperi Kukkanen! We, Antifa, We are Natives. How You could even deny that, PK?
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Postby Feux » Thu Dec 13, 2012 12:51 pm

Paper Flowers wrote:
Firstaria wrote:-snip-


Except that the region isn't in the hands of the natives, it's in the hands of the griefers who refounded it, so we should therefore leave the resolution in place.

Again, I find this solely to be a conflict between beliefs regarding liberation resolutions and their purposes whether or not they follow the steps Firstaria believes should occur for a liberation to be repealed.
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Postby Feux » Thu Dec 13, 2012 12:54 pm

Proletaurus wrote:@Paperi kukkanen:

Kun et edes tiedä mistä puhut.

Natives of from various regions of NS Found region Because it did not exists before that. What Is Problem, Paperi Kukkanen! We, Antifa, We are Natives. How You could even deny that, PK?


You may consider yourself natives but not the original natives this resolution was intended for as I indirectly indicated by the follow clause I believe.
Observing Antifa was successful in ascertaining its own administrative control over the region since April 10th, 2012 and replacing the original native community, which the liberation was written to protect, with members who's loyalty lays with that of the original invading force rendering the original purpose of the liberation obsolete;
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Postby Proletaurus » Thu Dec 13, 2012 1:00 pm

OK. Feux. Just 'Liberate'!

Natives will lose their landscape. Much else?

Bring WA Down!

In Peace and Good Will! :rofl:
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Postby Paperi Kukkanen » Thu Dec 13, 2012 1:30 pm

Proletaurus wrote:@Paperi kukkanen:

Kun et edes tiedä mistä puhut.

Natives of from various regions of NS Found region Because it did not exists before that. What Is Problem, Paperi Kukkanen! We, Antifa, We are Natives. How You could even deny that, PK?


Please do not confuse myself with my esteemed colleague Paper Flowers. We are not the same person.

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Postby Paper Flowers » Thu Dec 13, 2012 1:42 pm

Paperi Kukkanen wrote:Please do not confuse myself with my esteemed colleague Paper Flowers. We are not the same person.


You know, that's almost funny enough to justify the pathetic nonsense from Antifa...almost.

/me wanders off to wonder who's behind the nation.
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Postby Of the Free Socialist Territories » Thu Dec 13, 2012 2:36 pm

Paper Flowers wrote:
Firstaria wrote:-snip-


Except that the region isn't in the hands of the natives, it's in the hands of the griefers who refounded it, so we should therefore leave the resolution in place.


What does the resolution achieve if it's left in place?
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Postby Everbeek » Thu Dec 13, 2012 2:41 pm

Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote:
Paper Flowers wrote:
Except that the region isn't in the hands of the natives, it's in the hands of the griefers who refounded it, so we should therefore leave the resolution in place.


What does the resolution achieve if it's left in place?


It achieves that, if antifa ever let's the founder die, an antifa delegate can't password it to secure a refound.
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Postby Of the Free Socialist Territories » Thu Dec 13, 2012 2:46 pm

Everbeek wrote:
Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote:
What does the resolution achieve if it's left in place?


It achieves that, if antifa ever let's the founder die, an antifa delegate can't password it to secure a refound.


Which isn't going to happen, so what's it achieving?
Don't be deceived when our Revolution has finally been stamped out and they tell you things are better now even if there's no poverty to see, because the poverty's been hidden...even if you ever got more wages and could afford to buy more of these new and useless goods which these new industries foist on you, and even if it seems to you that "you never had so much" - that is only the slogan of those who have much more than you.

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