Immigration Reform

[Mexiclando]

Earlier this morning I was discussing immigration with a few family members, the debate was over how the U.S. should handle the issue of immigration.My suggestion had three parts first: order 10,000 National Guards men to the Mexican border once there they can help assist the border patrol in arresting illegal immigrants and smugglers, while at the same time preventing human rights abuse.Step two- establish a system in which illegal's may admit to sneaking in temporarily go to jail then once released can work towards citizenship. Step three corporations caught hiring illegal's will pay a 1 million dollar fine 2 million the second time and so on the money will be used to pay/train ICE agents. My uncle Daniel who is what I like to call a conservative or "warner" democrat said he agreed in part but on the third strike the company should be shut down, my cousin Lisa who is a far left or "Kucinich" democrat said I was being unfair and we should abolish borders altogether. So members of NS who do you agree with? P.S. keep it civil no hurling insults like hateful xenophobe this is not gradeschool.

[Genivaria]

Earlier this morning I was discussing immigration with a few family members, the debate was over how the U.S. should handle the issue of immigration.My suggestion had three parts first: order 10,000 National Guards men to the Mexican border once there they can help assist the border patrol in arresting illegal immigrants and smugglers, while at the same time preventing human rights abuse.Step two- establish a system in which illegal's may admit to sneaking in temporarily go to jail then once released can work towards citizenship. Step three corporations caught hiring illegal's will pay a 1 million dollar fine 2 million the second time and so on the money will be used to pay/train ICE agents. My uncle Daniel who is what I like to call a conservative or "warner" democrat said he agreed in part but on the third strike the company should be shut down, my cousin Lisa who is a far left or "Kucinich" democrat said I was being unfair and we should abolish borders altogether. So members of NS who do you agree with? P.S. keep it civil no hurling insults like hateful xenophobe this is not gradeschool.

A democrat said that we should 'abolish borders altogether'?
That seems a bit radical for a democrat.

[Dejanic]

Unite the world and abolish these archaic borders.

[Genivaria]

Unite the world and abolish these archaic borders.

And establish a Global Federation. *nods*

[Ovisterra]

Who is this man named "Illegal" and why do all the Illegal Immigrants work for him?

[Genivaria]

Who is this man named "Illegal" and why do all the Illegal Immigrants work for him?

Some French dude. And I hear he pays dental.

[Mexiclando]

Earlier this morning I was discussing immigration with a few family members, the debate was over how the U.S. should handle the issue of immigration.My suggestion had three parts first: order 10,000 National Guards men to the Mexican border once there they can help assist the border patrol in arresting illegal immigrants and smugglers, while at the same time preventing human rights abuse.Step two- establish a system in which illegal's may admit to sneaking in temporarily go to jail then once released can work towards citizenship. Step three corporations caught hiring illegal's will pay a 1 million dollar fine 2 million the second time and so on the money will be used to pay/train ICE agents. My uncle Daniel who is what I like to call a conservative or "warner" democrat said he agreed in part but on the third strike the company should be shut down, my cousin Lisa who is a far left or "Kucinich" democrat said I was being unfair and we should abolish borders altogether. So members of NS who do you agree with? P.S. keep it civil no hurling insults like hateful xenophobe this is not gradeschool.

A democrat said that we should 'abolish borders altogether'?
That seems a bit radical for a democrat.

What do you expect from a steroetypical 'everybody owes me" blonde? But in all seriousness my family is the definition of radicial put it this im considered a moderate

[Ovisterra]

Who is this man named "Illegal" and why do all the Illegal Immigrants work for him?

Some French dude. And I hear he pays dental.

Ooh. Great deal. Where do I sign up?

[Moving Forward Inc]

Earlier this morning I was discussing immigration with a few family members, the debate was over how the U.S. should handle the issue of immigration.My suggestion had three parts first: order 10,000 National Guards men to the Mexican border once there they can help assist the border patrol in arresting illegal immigrants and smugglers, while at the same time preventing human rights abuse.Step two- establish a system in which illegal's may admit to sneaking in temporarily go to jail then once released can work towards citizenship. Step three corporations caught hiring illegal's will pay a 1 million dollar fine 2 million the second time and so on the money will be used to pay/train ICE agents. My uncle Daniel who is what I like to call a conservative or "warner" democrat said he agreed in part but on the third strike the company should be shut down, my cousin Lisa who is a far left or "Kucinich" democrat said I was being unfair and we should abolish borders altogether. So members of NS who do you agree with? P.S. keep it civil no hurling insults like hateful xenophobe this is not gradeschool.

Borders are lines on pieces of paper drawn by dickish bureaucrats with pens.
Allow everyone in once they confirm their good intentions indiscriminately, least we become xenophobic bigots.

[Genivaria]

A democrat said that we should 'abolish borders altogether'?
That seems a bit radical for a democrat.

What do you expect from a steroetypical 'everybody owes me" blonde? But in all seriousness my family is the definition of radicial put it this im considered a moderate

I don't see the connection between selfishness and unity of humanity.
Or was that a joke?

[Mexiclando]

Who is this man named "Illegal" and why do all the Illegal Immigrants work for him?

It was a typo I was referring to illegal immigrants

[Norstal]

Earlier this morning I was discussing immigration with a few family members, the debate was over how the U.S. should handle the issue of immigration.My suggestion had three parts first: order 10,000 National Guards men to the Mexican border once there they can help assist the border patrol in arresting illegal immigrants and smugglers, while at the same time preventing human rights abuse.Step two- establish a system in which illegal's may admit to sneaking in temporarily go to jail then once released can work towards citizenship. Step three corporations caught hiring illegal's will pay a 1 million dollar fine 2 million the second time and so on the money will be used to pay/train ICE agents. My uncle Daniel who is what I like to call a conservative or "warner" democrat said he agreed in part but on the third strike the company should be shut down, my cousin Lisa who is a far left or "Kucinich" democrat said I was being unfair and we should abolish borders altogether. So members of NS who do you agree with? P.S. keep it civil no hurling insults like hateful xenophobe this is not gradeschool.

As someone who immigrated here (legally!), the problem is not with enforcement. It is not with corporations and none of your solutions will work.

The problem is with bureaucracy. The process to get a visa here is ridiculous. It takes a year to get a visa to get here legally and an indefinite amount of time to be a permanent resident. Ain't nobody have the time for that.

[Ovisterra]

Who is this man named "Illegal" and why do all the Illegal Immigrants work for him?

It was a typo I was referring to illegal immigrants

I just thought that you meant to do it because it appeared three times.

But yeah, your explanation makes more sense.

[Mexiclando]

Earlier this morning I was discussing immigration with a few family members, the debate was over how the U.S. should handle the issue of immigration.My suggestion had three parts first: order 10,000 National Guards men to the Mexican border once there they can help assist the border patrol in arresting illegal immigrants and smugglers, while at the same time preventing human rights abuse.Step two- establish a system in which illegal's may admit to sneaking in temporarily go to jail then once released can work towards citizenship. Step three corporations caught hiring illegal's will pay a 1 million dollar fine 2 million the second time and so on the money will be used to pay/train ICE agents. My uncle Daniel who is what I like to call a conservative or "warner" democrat said he agreed in part but on the third strike the company should be shut down, my cousin Lisa who is a far left or "Kucinich" democrat said I was being unfair and we should abolish borders altogether. So members of NS who do you agree with? P.S. keep it civil no hurling insults like hateful xenophobe this is not gradeschool.

As someone who immigrated here (legally!), the problem is not with enforcement. It is not with corporations and none of your solutions will work.

The problem is with bureaucracy. The process to get a visa here is ridiculous. It takes a year to get a visa to get here legally and an indefinite amount of time to be a permanent resident. Ain't nobody have the time for that.

I should have been more specific I was referring to illegal immigration only but you are right we need to expedite the process, I would say as long as you have no felonies you get your visa right away, and shorten the period you have to live here to one year.

[The Corparation]

Earlier this morning I was discussing immigration with a few family members, the debate was over how the U.S. should handle the issue of immigration.My suggestion had three parts first: order 10,000 National Guards men to the Mexican border once there they can help assist the border patrol in arresting illegal immigrants and smugglers, while at the same time preventing human rights abuse.Step two- establish a system in which illegal's may admit to sneaking in temporarily go to jail then once released can work towards citizenship. Step three corporations caught hiring illegal's will pay a 1 million dollar fine 2 million the second time and so on the money will be used to pay/train ICE agents. My uncle Daniel who is what I like to call a conservative or "warner" democrat said he agreed in part but on the third strike the company should be shut down, my cousin Lisa who is a far left or "Kucinich" democrat said I was being unfair and we should abolish borders altogether. So members of NS who do you agree with? P.S. keep it civil no hurling insults like hateful xenophobe this is not gradeschool.

As someone who immigrated here (legally!), the problem is not with enforcement. It is not with corporations and none of your solutions will work.

The problem is with bureaucracy. The process to get a visa here is ridiculous. It takes a year to get a visa to get here legally and an indefinite amount of time to be a permanent resident. Ain't nobody have the time for that.

Or the money. Seriously its expensive and time consuming and many people who want to come here just can't afford to do it legally. No reason we should turn them away.

[Mexiclando]

What do you expect from a steroetypical 'everybody owes me" blonde? But in all seriousness my family is the definition of radicial put it this im considered a moderate

I don't see the connection between selfishness and unity of humanity.
Or was that a joke?

It was my sense of humour is just weird.

[Ethel mermania]

Edit; stupid phone missed a line

[Ethel mermania]

1. throw all the illegal aliens out.
2. jail time for people who hire illegal aliens
3. at least double the quotas for legal immigrants
4. streamline the process for people who want to be legal immigrants.

[Democratic Koyro]

Unite the world and abolish these archaic borders.

No thanks.

[Norstal]

As someone who immigrated here (legally!), the problem is not with enforcement. It is not with corporations and none of your solutions will work.

The problem is with bureaucracy. The process to get a visa here is ridiculous. It takes a year to get a visa to get here legally and an indefinite amount of time to be a permanent resident. Ain't nobody have the time for that.

I should have been more specific I was referring to illegal immigration only but you are right we need to expedite the process, I would say as long as you have no felonies you get your visa right away, and shorten the period you have to live here to one year.

No, this problem stretches into illegal immigration. Travel visas don't last long and as I said, you need to wait an indefinite amount of time to be a permanent resident.

That means that those who came here legally can stay here illegally. In fact, that's how many immigrants became naturalized. You'll be hard pressed to find immigrants who receive permanent resident within the limits of their travel visas. And then, there's also this:

Or the money. Seriously its expensive and time consuming and many people who want to come here just can't afford to do it legally. No reason we should turn them away.

Working permit costs money and takes a long time to get approved. Applying for an I-94 (the permanent resident application) costs upwards to $1000 per family member. Add property tax, groceries, etc. Immigrants, legal or not, already have it hard. DON'T make it even harder.

[Risottia]

Earlier this morning I was discussing immigration with a few family members, the debate was over how the U.S. should handle the issue of immigration.My suggestion had three parts first: order 10,000 National Guards men to the Mexican border once there they can help assist the border patrol in arresting illegal immigrants and smugglers, while at the same time preventing human rights abuse.

How do you prevent human rights abuses, while catching both immigrants and smugglers (who often are also slavers, btw) with
a) just 10000 people more
b) who have no specific training for the task
c) and anyway arresting illegal immigrants AND smugglers/slavers and detaining them... you have to understand which is which.
d) also, arresting them and keeping them where, in the middle of nothing? Maybe you'd want to build some decent camps for both troops and detainees FIRST?

Also, many illegal immigrants DON'T enter illegally. They just overstay their (perfectly legal) visas, thus becoming illegal immigrants when already INSIDE the border.

Step two- establish a system in which illegal's may admit to sneaking in temporarily go to jail then once released can work towards citizenship.

So, what would be the incentive in turning oneself in?

Step three corporations caught hiring illegal's will pay a 1 million dollar fine 2 million the second time and so on the money will be used to pay/train ICE agents.

This one is actually a good idea. You need a LOT of policemen to enforce that, though. Maybe those famous National Guardsmen would better be used to relieve the police of more trivial matters (such as, let's say, patrolling roads) so they can concentrate on tasks requiring a specific training.
Then again, I've noticed that the training standard of the US police forces - expecially local police departments - tend to be quite low if compared with the standards of other G8 countries. So maybe training policemen better would be another prerequisite.

[Moving Forward Inc]

Unite the world and abolish these archaic borders.

Agreed, unless you are talking about uniting the whole of the world's government in one go.

[Grave_n_idle]

1. throw all the illegal aliens out.
2. jail time for people who hire illegal aliens
3. at least double the quotas for legal immigrants
4. streamline the process for people who want to be legal immigrants.

Mass deportation, and mass incarceration. Plus, extensive investigation far beyond the point of diminishing returns.

In other words, let's hope no one that can do anything about anything is reading your posts, because you've just invented 'pointlessly bankrupting America' as a policy.

[Sardine World]

just do the first part of the first part

and order them to shoot any mexicans

say they were attempting an invasion and problem solved

[Ostroeuropa]

I am opposed to immigration laws in this modern age.
We have to accept that the world has globalized, some nations have upward of 50% of their population as immigrants.
1/5 people on the planet will migrate at some time in their lives.
We can expect that number to steadily increase as travel becomes more available, and more places open up.
You'll notice that The Emirates (With 69% immigrant population) is home to one of the world fastest growing economies, Kuwait too.

The result of this is that Dubai is one of the most culturally and ethnically diverse cities on the planet, and will be for quite some time. What was essentially a backwater has become a global player. The USA obtained it's power through allowing anyone to join it in the early years.
If a western nation were to throw open the doors, i'm confident it'd result in a huge boost to their economy.