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Gender titles to be scrapped in Brighton.

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Should gender neutral titles be introduced?

Yes
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No
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Gender titles to be scrapped in Brighton.

Postby Britannic Realms » Sat Oct 27, 2012 8:00 am

http://www.theargus.co.uk/news/10007505 ... s_/?ref=mr

I find the proposal utterly ridiculous. The fact of the matter is that you are male or female, there is simply no discussion. You are born as a male or female and you will be male or female until you die. What the hell to they propose putting on letters instead of 'Mr', 'Mrs' or 'Miss'? The introduction of 'Ms' was bad enough, you're either married or you're not (you're technically still married if you're a widow), there's no middle ground.

What do you think, should we succumb to political correctness once again?
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Postby Alaje » Sat Oct 27, 2012 8:14 am

Britannic Realms wrote:http://www.theargus.co.uk/news/10007505.Is_it_the_end_for_Mr___Mrs_/?ref=mr

I find the proposal utterly ridiculous. The fact of the matter is that you are male or female, there is simply no discussion. You are born as a male or female and you will be male or female until you die. What the hell to they propose putting on letters instead of 'Mr', 'Mrs' or 'Miss'? The introduction of 'Ms' was bad enough, you're either married or you're not (you're technically still married if you're a widow), there's no middle ground.

What do you think, should we succumb to political correctness once again?


God damn liberals can't leave anything alone. :palm:
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Postby Ovisterra » Sat Oct 27, 2012 8:16 am

Good on Brighton. The rest of the world would do well to catch up.

Alaje wrote:
Britannic Realms wrote:http://www.theargus.co.uk/news/10007505.Is_it_the_end_for_Mr___Mrs_/?ref=mr

I find the proposal utterly ridiculous. The fact of the matter is that you are male or female, there is simply no discussion. You are born as a male or female and you will be male or female until you die. What the hell to they propose putting on letters instead of 'Mr', 'Mrs' or 'Miss'? The introduction of 'Ms' was bad enough, you're either married or you're not (you're technically still married if you're a widow), there's no middle ground.

What do you think, should we succumb to political correctness once again?


God damn liberals can't leave anything alone. :palm:


Goddamned conservatives can't stop generalising.
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Postby Fionnuala_Saoirse » Sat Oct 27, 2012 8:32 am

Britannic Realms wrote:What the hell to they propose putting on letters instead of 'Mr', 'Mrs' or 'Miss'?


The individuals name?
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Postby Desperate Measures » Sat Oct 27, 2012 8:34 am

Fionnuala_Saoirse wrote:
Britannic Realms wrote:What the hell to they propose putting on letters instead of 'Mr', 'Mrs' or 'Miss'?


The individuals name?

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Postby Ifreann » Sat Oct 27, 2012 8:34 am

Britannic Realms wrote:http://www.theargus.co.uk/news/10007505.Is_it_the_end_for_Mr___Mrs_/?ref=mr

I find the proposal utterly ridiculous. The fact of the matter is that you are male or female, there is simply no discussion. You are born as a male or female and you will be male or female until you die. What the hell to they propose putting on letters instead of 'Mr', 'Mrs' or 'Miss'?

The name of the person one is writing to, obviously. But more likely they don't propose anything because removing gendered titles from official forms and what not doesn't mean that it's illegal to use gendered titles.
The introduction of 'Ms' was bad enough, you're either married or you're not (you're technically still married if you're a widow),

What? Surely not.
there's no middle ground.

There's also no actual need to attach different titles to people based on their gender or marital status.

What do you think, should we succumb to political correctness once again?

Of course you should, and the rest of the world should follow suit.
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Postby French Union » Sat Oct 27, 2012 8:37 am

I agree, it's stupid and pointless.

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Postby Ostroeuropa » Sat Oct 27, 2012 8:38 am

Ideally there would be an introduction of a gender neutral title which would then be adopted by people who actually care.
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Postby Laerod » Sat Oct 27, 2012 8:38 am

Britannic Realms wrote:The fact of the matter is that you are male or female, there is simply no discussion. You are born as a male or female and you will be male or female until you die.

Looks like someone failed biology.

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Postby Hionntach » Sat Oct 27, 2012 8:39 am

French Union wrote:I agree, it's stupid and pointless.


Yeah titles like that really are. Good to see them being phased out in Brightons forms

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Postby Samuraikoku » Sat Oct 27, 2012 8:39 am

Britannic Realms wrote:What do you think, should we succumb to political correctness once again?


Yes.

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Postby Ovisterra » Sat Oct 27, 2012 8:40 am

Ostroeuropa wrote:Ideally there would be an introduction of a gender neutral title which would then be adopted by people who actually care.


I agree.
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Postby Ifreann » Sat Oct 27, 2012 8:43 am

Laerod wrote:
Britannic Realms wrote:The fact of the matter is that you are male or female, there is simply no discussion. You are born as a male or female and you will be male or female until you die.

Looks like someone failed biology.

Now now, you can't fail biology if you never take a biology class.
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Postby Laerod » Sat Oct 27, 2012 8:44 am

Ifreann wrote:
Laerod wrote:Looks like someone failed biology.

Now now, you can't fail biology if you never take a biology class.

If you never show up it's an automatic fail.

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Postby L Ron Cupboard » Sat Oct 27, 2012 8:45 am

Damn, now the EU can't force us to use Monsieur and Madame.
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Postby Britannic Realms » Sat Oct 27, 2012 8:46 am

Ifreann wrote:
Britannic Realms wrote:http://www.theargus.co.uk/news/10007505.Is_it_the_end_for_Mr___Mrs_/?ref=mr

I find the proposal utterly ridiculous. The fact of the matter is that you are male or female, there is simply no discussion. You are born as a male or female and you will be male or female until you die. What the hell to they propose putting on letters instead of 'Mr', 'Mrs' or 'Miss'?


The name of the person one is writing to, obviously. But more likely they don't propose anything because removing gendered titles from official forms and what not doesn't mean that it's illegal to use gendered titles.


But calling someone 'Mr' or 'Mrs' or 'Miss' is a sign of respect. If a company is writing to me I don't expect to be addressed by my first name, I expect to be addressed by Mr and then my surname.

The introduction of 'Ms' was bad enough, you're either married or you're not (you're technically still married if you're a widow),

What? Surely not.


I don't quite understand what this is getting at.

there's no middle ground.

There's also no actual need to attach different titles to people based on their gender or marital status.


Like I've said before, it's a sign of respect.

What do you think, should we succumb to political correctness once again?

Of course you should, and the rest of the world should follow suit.


No, I don't mean to sound like the Mail but, political correctness has go too far. I don't see why the government feels compelled to please every single minority. They really ought to stop complaining and get on with their lives.

And too those people who are talking about biology. Show me proof that you are not born as a female or male, I want a reputable source. Nothing from Wikipedia or some small medical journal I've never heard of. I'm talking organisations like the W. H. O. or the British Medical Journal or something.
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Postby Ifreann » Sat Oct 27, 2012 8:46 am

L Ron Cupboard wrote:Damn, now the EU can't force us to use Monsieur and Madame.

That's what you think.
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Postby The USOT » Sat Oct 27, 2012 8:47 am

Not that I see it as a big issue anyway, but does it really matter if they are just removing it? Adding Gender titles doesnt exactly benefit anyone...
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Postby L Ron Cupboard » Sat Oct 27, 2012 8:48 am

Ifreann wrote:
L Ron Cupboard wrote:Damn, now the EU can't force us to use Monsieur and Madame.

That's what you think.


Monsieur Cupboard sounds quite dashing don't you think?
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Postby Ifreann » Sat Oct 27, 2012 8:57 am

Britannic Realms wrote:
Ifreann wrote:
The name of the person one is writing to, obviously. But more likely they don't propose anything because removing gendered titles from official forms and what not doesn't mean that it's illegal to use gendered titles.


But calling someone 'Mr' or 'Mrs' or 'Miss' is a sign of respect. If a company is writing to me I don't expect to be addressed by my first name, I expect to be addressed by Mr and then my surname.

Which is a reason to come up with a gender neutral honorific, or to accept use of your full name as being respectful. Not to refer to people by their gender and/or marital status.

What? Surely not.


I don't quite understand what this is getting at.

Surely when one's spouse dies, one is no longer married to them, no?

There's also no actual need to attach different titles to people based on their gender or marital status.


Like I've said before, it's a sign of respect.

A sign of respect which does not need to vary by gender and marital status.

Of course you should, and the rest of the world should follow suit.


No, I don't mean to sound like the Mail but, political correctness has go too far. I don't see why the government feels compelled to please every single minority. They really ought to stop complaining and get on with their lives.

I guess they feel like they have to do right by all of the people as much as possible, not just the majority.

And too those people who are talking about biology. Show me proof that you are not born as a female or male, I want a reputable source. Nothing from Wikipedia or some small medical journal I've never heard of. I'm talking organisations like the W. H. O. or the British Medical Journal or something.

Show us proof one is born only male or female. Your claim, your burden.
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Postby Ifreann » Sat Oct 27, 2012 8:58 am

L Ron Cupboard wrote:
Ifreann wrote:That's what you think.


Monsieur Cupboard sounds quite dashing don't you think?

Oui oui.
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Postby Divair » Sat Oct 27, 2012 8:58 am

Alaje wrote:
Britannic Realms wrote:http://www.theargus.co.uk/news/10007505.Is_it_the_end_for_Mr___Mrs_/?ref=mr

I find the proposal utterly ridiculous. The fact of the matter is that you are male or female, there is simply no discussion. You are born as a male or female and you will be male or female until you die. What the hell to they propose putting on letters instead of 'Mr', 'Mrs' or 'Miss'? The introduction of 'Ms' was bad enough, you're either married or you're not (you're technically still married if you're a widow), there's no middle ground.

What do you think, should we succumb to political correctness once again?


God damn liberals can't leave anything alone. :palm:

Generalization to the max.

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Postby Ifreann » Sat Oct 27, 2012 9:00 am

Divair wrote:
Alaje wrote:
God damn liberals can't leave anything alone. :palm:

Generalization to the max.

The local council in Brighton represents all liberals the world over. Or, they will once the latest update propagates throughout the Hive Mind.
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You've got a lonesome road to walk, and it ain't along the railroad track, and it ain't along the black-top tar you walked a hundred times before.
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Postby L Ron Cupboard » Sat Oct 27, 2012 9:01 am

Ifreann wrote:
Divair wrote:Generalization to the max.

The local council in Brighton represents all liberals the world over. Or, they will once the latest update propagates throughout the Hive Mind.


That's Hove Mind, actually.
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Postby Flevans » Sat Oct 27, 2012 9:10 am

Britannic Realms wrote:You are born as a male or female and you will be male or female until you die.


Lol, transsexualism, what's that?

The introduction of 'Ms' was bad enough, you're either married or you're not (you're technically still married if you're a widow), there's no middle ground.


Uh, double standard much? If that's the case, why aren't you campaigning for two titles for men? Why should women have to specify whether they're married or not and men don't?

What do you think, should we succumb to political correctness once again?


I honestly don't see the big deal here. So what if people won't be called Mr/Ms, it's not like that's going to affect anyone's day-to-day lives.

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