
by Kambota (Ancient) » Sat Oct 13, 2012 5:35 pm

by Felix Terra » Sat Oct 13, 2012 6:16 pm

by Kambota (Ancient) » Sat Oct 13, 2012 6:27 pm
Felix Terra wrote:How can you be sure the replacement will be Resolution 222?

by Mousebumples » Sat Oct 13, 2012 6:28 pm


by Kambota (Ancient) » Sat Oct 13, 2012 6:57 pm

by Felix Terra » Sat Oct 13, 2012 6:59 pm
Kambota wrote:Mousebumples wrote:Not all of them. Opposed.
In my opinion, it is broad enough to cover abuse in the workplace. Resolution #222 states: "AFFIRMS that all children have the right, and expectancy, to be free from all forms of child abuse;".
In addition, it clearly states that it covers all forms of child abuse, not just the ones listed in the document.

by Kambota (Ancient) » Sat Oct 13, 2012 7:04 pm
Felix Terra wrote:Kambota wrote:In my opinion, it is broad enough to cover abuse in the workplace. Resolution #222 states: "AFFIRMS that all children have the right, and expectancy, to be free from all forms of child abuse;".
In addition, it clearly states that it covers all forms of child abuse, not just the ones listed in the document.
Define "child abuse". Does child labor count? If so, does that mean a kid being forced to help on the farm is child abuse?
by Sanctaria » Sat Oct 13, 2012 7:34 pm
Kambota wrote:Mousebumples wrote:Not all of them. Opposed.
In my opinion, it is broad enough to cover abuse in the workplace. Resolution #222 states: "AFFIRMS that all children have the right, and expectancy, to be free from all forms of child abuse;".
In addition, it clearly states that it covers all forms of child abuse, not just the ones listed in the document.

by Kambota (Ancient) » Sun Oct 14, 2012 11:50 am
Sanctaria wrote:Kambota wrote:In my opinion, it is broad enough to cover abuse in the workplace. Resolution #222 states: "AFFIRMS that all children have the right, and expectancy, to be free from all forms of child abuse;".
In addition, it clearly states that it covers all forms of child abuse, not just the ones listed in the document.
All forms of child abuse, yes. And child abuse is defined very carefully and clearly in the resolution.
So that affirms clause is that children have the right to be free from all forms of the child abuse listed, not just to be free from physical, and not mental, or freedom from sexual, but not physical.
I'm disagree with your reading of my resolution. I disagree with your intentions here.
I stand opposed.

by The Dourian Embassy » Sun Oct 14, 2012 2:01 pm

by Kambota (Ancient) » Sun Oct 14, 2012 2:45 pm
The Dourian Embassy wrote:WA #222 stops people from abusing or neglecting children.
WA #4 forbids them from being in situations that are dangerous, in the pretext of work. If you repeal it, those protections are gone. More specifically, no other resolution bans the participation of minors in armed conflict.
WA #4 may be mine, but I think it's alright.

by Flibbleites » Sun Oct 14, 2012 2:59 pm
Kambota wrote:The Dourian Embassy wrote:WA #222 stops people from abusing or neglecting children.
WA #4 forbids them from being in situations that are dangerous, in the pretext of work. If you repeal it, those protections are gone. More specifically, no other resolution bans the participation of minors in armed conflict.
WA #4 may be mine, but I think it's alright.
Putting children in dangerous situations (including war zones) would be considered negligence and would be a threat to their mental health, both of which are covered by GA Resolution #222.

by Kambota (Ancient) » Sun Oct 14, 2012 3:04 pm
Flibbleites wrote:Kambota wrote:Putting children in dangerous situations (including war zones) would be considered negligence and would be a threat to their mental health, both of which are covered by GA Resolution #222.
By reasonable nations, yes. However I'm sure that there are nations out there that would not share those views and having Restrictions on Child Labor on the books ensures that the children in those nations are protected too.
Bob Flibble
WA Representative

by Flibbleites » Sun Oct 14, 2012 3:06 pm
Kambota wrote:Flibbleites wrote:By reasonable nations, yes. However I'm sure that there are nations out there that would not share those views and having Restrictions on Child Labor on the books ensures that the children in those nations are protected too.
Bob Flibble
WA Representative
Bob,
Thanks for pointing that out. I added a second part to the resolution that clearly outlines what is and sin't allowed.

by The Dourian Embassy » Sun Oct 14, 2012 4:59 pm
Kambota wrote:Thanks for pointing that out. I added a second part to the resolution that clearly outlines what is and sin't allowed.

by Savum » Sun Oct 14, 2012 5:27 pm

by Kambota (Ancient) » Sun Oct 14, 2012 5:35 pm
Savum wrote:At this time I would not be able to accept this resolution. Child labour and child abuse are very broad in their definitions in themselves, and R. 222 would not cover the protection of children from cruel labour because some nation-states would be able to come up with an excuse for the labour. If the author can correct this issue, the Savum delegation would review the resolution.

by Quelesh » Sun Oct 14, 2012 5:51 pm
RECOGNIZING that the original resolution was proposed as means to insure child safety.
FURTHER RECOGNIZING that all children should have certain age-specific rights relating to both their future mental and physical well-being.
FURTHER OBSERVING that in some regions, child labor is a necessity and is vital to the economy’s health.
AFFIRMING that child labor can be implemented in a safe and productive manner.
CLARIFYING that while child labor would be legalized, child abuse, including abuse that occurs in a child’s place of work, such as extreme corporal punishment, water deprivation, or overworking, is not and never will be legal, and will still be strictly prohibited.
ACKNOWLEDGING Section 4 of GA Resolution #222 (Prevention of Child Abuse), shown below, which defines child abuse as:
"i. the forcing of unwanted or nonconsensual sexual behaviour and/or desire upon a child,
ii. the causing of excessive physical pain, injury or harm with a malicious intent, or through negligence, outside that which may occur from peer- to-peer bullying,
iii. any deliberate act and/or behaviour which results in serious emotional and mental trauma in a child,
iv. when a guardian deprives, intentionally or otherwise, a child of necessities such as care, nourishment, shelter, and/or healthcare on a long term or continuous basis, if that guardian is capable of providing such;"

by The Dourian Embassy » Sun Oct 14, 2012 7:12 pm

by Gullud » Sun Oct 14, 2012 7:40 pm

by Gullud » Sun Oct 14, 2012 7:44 pm
The Dourian Embassy wrote:Actually funnily enough the phrase "as defined by their nation" included in GA# 4 makes any definition you want applicable as an age of majority. You might not like the term, but since you're free to define it how you want, it does not, in fact, have to refer to a chronological age. It's supposed to allow reasonable nations to have a guideline, but be mindful of races, species, and cultures with different concepts or definitions of "Age of Majority" while still using a term most people can understand.

by Shadowbourne » Fri Oct 19, 2012 7:01 pm
3rd Place: WKC IV
2nd Place: None
1st Place: None

by Grays Harbor » Fri Oct 19, 2012 9:01 pm
Shadowbourne wrote:This is a proposal I just submitted to the GA. If you are a delegate, please approve it whether you agree with it or not so that we can give the rest of the WA a chance to vote on it.
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