Coccygia wrote:The OP doesn't go far enough. It should be legal to assault and even kill gays, so they'll learn self defense and buy more guns.
In fact, it should be illegal to not kill gays. That will make them the toughest of all.
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by Zottistan » Thu Oct 11, 2012 8:27 am
Coccygia wrote:The OP doesn't go far enough. It should be legal to assault and even kill gays, so they'll learn self defense and buy more guns.
by Cameroi » Thu Oct 11, 2012 8:28 am
New Waterford wrote:So, you have (or "had") homosexual tendencies, and yet you condone homophobia? Interesting.
by Dragonplains » Thu Oct 11, 2012 8:34 am
Zolotoivek wrote:A robbery, as I have stated, is a crime, and should be hounded by the dogs of the law to the apropos extent. Robbery is not bullying, nor is theft, assault, or harassment, because they are seperate articles with stronger implications.
Cameroi wrote:i would also like to point out, that in as increasingly overpopulated world, such as surrounds us in that mysterious thing called reality, any increase in the popularity of non-fertile unions, is VERY good thing.
7 people out of 10 wonder why the rest of the world is unable to see things as obvious as they do and keeps saying crap.
It's because 10 people out of 10 are different from eachothers and have their own conception of what is obvious.
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by Ifreann » Thu Oct 11, 2012 8:36 am
New Waterford wrote:So, you have (or "had") homosexual tendencies, and yet you condone homophobia? Interesting.
by Demigueris » Thu Oct 11, 2012 9:23 am
Zolotoivek wrote:You do not give due credence to what argumentative skills I am positive must lie beneath your fallacies - constructing a point superficially similar to my own, yet fundamentally altered, does not diminish what I have said in reality. Clearly, you agree that suicide is selfish, having stated quite obviously so, and thus conform to my stance.
To perhaps desecrate the beaten corpse of your argument further, how are you positive of this right? Who assigned this right to this individual, to be so unduly selfish? When, and how, was this individual told, you are primus inter pares, you are above your equals, you above everyone deserve the right to sole happiness? Who bestowed upon you the right to take away the hope of others for your own benefit? At which interval in life were you announced exempt from your social duty?
In knowing the selfishness, the trauma, the suffering you will inflict on a thousand times your person, you are culpable, I think, for each iota of agony born of your act. What you cause is your responsibility, and again, in committing suicide, you evade that responsibility. You push that blame on other people, others who are salient to your act, others who merely view your circumstance and experience distress merely through vicarious association?
The two(bullying and dealing with bullies) are not mutually exclusive. We are talking specificially of the acts of bullying and the individual subject thereof, august co-poster, rather than the repercussions for the perpetrators.
Perception does not affect truth. Allow me, dominus (-ae), the privilege of yet another hypothetical, a force of habit. If I were to, perhaps, look upon a dog, and treat it not as a dog, but as a watch. Imagine if I were to stare at this canine in expectation, counting its barks as hours, its whines as minutes, the wag of a tail as seconds. Does not this dog, then, become a watch? Is it no longer a dog, as I do not treat it as such? Would you, upon witnessing my acts, instead tell me, "are you mad?!", rather than infer that the dog must thusly be a watch, considering my behaviour?
In much the same way, it is theft by definition.
Bullying, much as anything else, is not entirely good. I have given my opponents this province of point, as I feel it is only fair, but neither is it all completely bad.
by Martean » Thu Oct 11, 2012 9:43 am
Agymnum wrote:Martean wrote:
The human race it's prepared to live in community, we lived in caves in COMUNITY, otherwise, why do you think we have countries? caves let to cities, that to more cities and that to states, so, according to you argument no, bulling has made you a WEAK person, becouse you have to handle all by yourself. (I am not saying you're weak phisically, but it's obvius 2 people are stronger than 1 person)
Trust? A symptom of the weak? Which is the most powerful person in your country? The president/king/ect. And do you think they've reached such a massive power by not trusting anyone? (see: minister, party, voters, elections...)
Those who rely on others are incapable of achieving by themselves.
"No man is an island" because no mere man is capable of being fully disassociated from everyone else.
Well, no man except for me. Trust is something I've abandoned long ago. I have friends, sure, but if you ask them they'll admit they barely know a damn thing about me, and I know almost everything about them.
It sickens me, how they let me read them like an open-book, blissfully ignorant of the fact that I could easily tear them down one day with a single dark secret exposed, a single tryst revealed. I almost feel bad for them, in a way, because they have no idea the carnage I am capable of wreaking upon their lives.
by The Reasonable » Thu Oct 11, 2012 9:49 am
Agymnum wrote:Honestly, I get frustrated when people say bullying "builds character" because oftentimes those were the people who were never bullied or were bullies themselves.
If you got beaten as a kid and you can say it "builds character", then you're a better man than me. All I can say it did was build a distrust of the common man and a disgust/spite for humanity in general. If we were to all die - an omnicide, so to speak - I would be happy (at least prior to death, since death is oblivion) because the worst, most insolent and violent species on this planet would be eradicated.
But us all dying out is a bit much to hope for, so the next best thing is to eradicate bullying.
by Zolotoivek » Thu Oct 11, 2012 11:43 am
Let me flip this one on it's head for you. Where did you, or society get the right to tell other people what they can or cannot do with their own lives?
People are selfish all the time, for a number of reasons. [...] causing them consternation and suffering.
No we're not. We're talking about bullying and someone's asinine proposition that it serves some sort of moral good
presumably as a form of trolling.
The question is one of whether bully can serve net social benefit. Setting aside that we're asked to set aside the array of painstakingly researched data bases from a horde of peer reviewed and published clinical studies, along with professional, expert testimonials from psychologists and psychiatrists that do this shit for a living who overwhelmingly indicate the opposite(which I'll get to) and that we're supposed to accept the anecdotal wisdom of an anonymous online poster...
I posit that the damage to our social fabric caused by rampaging assholes is greater than the limited impact socially isolated individuals have on their surroundings. That is: one person committing suicide is capable of generating a one-time only effect on a small group of people. One asshole however is capable of generating an entire lifetime of jackassery, not only this, but the general asshattery has the potential for generating additional assholes as a direct consequence, either through personal suffering or in emulation of the original asshole.
So the discussion is pertinent. If we're not taking society in a larger context, than we should all shut the fuck up about a person's individual choices, but if we are, then you can't selectively choose which effects you want to talk about, ignoring the ones that undermine or complicate your fundamental thesis.
Language is defined by the common usage.
Children are routinely treated different from adults all the time, in a variety of contexts for the social reasons that they can't rationally be expected to be born with a complete understanding of the nuances of their social surroundings. The rules for children are different. Things that would be COMPLETELY unacceptable for adults(i.e. throwing up on another adult, where no alcohol is involved, running around naked, shitting on the floor and making others clean it up for them) is fine for kids. Accomplishments for children are exaggerated. Violations of social norms are downplayed.
It's only reasonable that different words, and strategies should be adopted to deal with this reality.
Unless you're suggesting that we discuss the meaning of words from any consideration of context - in which case you are literally just arguing semantics.
Case not proven.
Demonstrate to me a statistical trend in which better life, and mental health outcomes are generated from a bullied vs. non-bullied demographic, adjusting for socio-economic factors.
Long-Term Effects of Bullying: Exploring the Relationships among Recalled Experiences with
Bullying, Current Coping Resources, and Reported Symptoms of Distress.
http://digitalarchive.gsu.edu/cgi/viewc ... t=cps_diss
Bullying victimisation and risk of self harm in early adolescence: longitudinal cohort study
http://www.bmj.com/content/344/bmj.e2683
Bullying is detrimental to health, but all bullying behaviours are not necessarily equally damaging
http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1 ... 0001723594
Does School Bullying Affect Adult Health? Population Survey of Health-Related Quality of Life and Past Victimization
http://anp.sagepub.com/content/43/12/1163.short
Let me summarize the above for you.
What the above studies indicate is that while there is resiliency among children to casual bullying, but as frequency and duration of bullying increases, mental health outcomes are drastically reduced.
All the available evidence shows bullying is bullshit, potentially hurts everyone involved, and as a phenomenon, cannot statistically generate anything but worse outcomes in just about every measurable category on the population exposed to it.
by Stoner Country » Thu Oct 11, 2012 11:47 am
by Stoner Country » Thu Oct 11, 2012 11:50 am
by Ovisterra » Thu Oct 11, 2012 11:51 am
Stoner Country wrote:Infact good i hope there are more gays in the future so there is less compeition for females.
by Immoren » Thu Oct 11, 2012 11:56 am
discoursedrome wrote:everyone knows that quote, "I know not what weapons World War Three will be fought, but World War Four will be fought with sticks and stones," but in a way it's optimistic and inspiring because it suggests that even after destroying civilization and returning to the stone age we'll still be sufficiently globalized and bellicose to have another world war right then and there
by Sapiens Isles » Thu Oct 11, 2012 11:58 am
by Immoren » Thu Oct 11, 2012 11:59 am
discoursedrome wrote:everyone knows that quote, "I know not what weapons World War Three will be fought, but World War Four will be fought with sticks and stones," but in a way it's optimistic and inspiring because it suggests that even after destroying civilization and returning to the stone age we'll still be sufficiently globalized and bellicose to have another world war right then and there
by Trotskylvania » Thu Oct 11, 2012 12:05 pm
Anglican Prussia wrote:Ceannairceach wrote:It is harassment to, you know, harass a child about their sexuality if it isn't public, and to hound them about their sinfullness and "illegality".
Homosexuality isn't illegal, by the way.
I agree, but now, most homosexuals in public high schools fell the need to tell everyone about their sexuality. If they are going to be public about their sex life, they have to have the fact that not everyone is going to agree with them because they "need" everyone's approval.
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by Greater Phenia » Thu Oct 11, 2012 12:10 pm
Zolotoivek wrote:To summarise... Bullying is, no doubt, hurtful. But is it entirely bad? No, I don't believe it is. Hurt occurs anywhere, from all directions, much like how angles meet in the centre of a circle. To deprive children of their opportunity to accustom themselves to experiencing this does nothing but hamper their ability to do so.
by Sapiens Isles » Thu Oct 11, 2012 12:20 pm
Trotskylvania wrote:Anglican Prussia wrote:
I agree, but now, most homosexuals in public high schools fell the need to tell everyone about their sexuality. If they are going to be public about their sex life, they have to have the fact that not everyone is going to agree with them because they "need" everyone's approval.
You are a horrible human being.
by Dread Lady Nathicana » Thu Oct 11, 2012 12:38 pm
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by Alaje » Thu Oct 11, 2012 12:47 pm
Stoner Country wrote:bully might actuall be good it teachs kids to have thicker skin and prepares them for the dick heads there gonna meet in the real world.
by East Ormania » Thu Oct 11, 2012 12:55 pm
Alaje wrote:Stoner Country wrote:bully might actuall be good it teachs kids to have thicker skin and prepares them for the dick heads there gonna meet in the real world.
Bullying isn't good. I was bullied during the entirety of my middle school years, it made me into a cynical asshole that has a rather hard time finding anything to be "happy" about. If you want more people to be like that be my guest.
by Reggae Magmia » Thu Oct 11, 2012 12:59 pm
Stoner Country wrote:bully might actuall be good it teachs kids to have thicker skin and prepares them for the dick heads there gonna meet in the real world.
by Martean » Thu Oct 11, 2012 1:25 pm
Reggae Magmia wrote:Stoner Country wrote:bully might actuall be good it teachs kids to have thicker skin and prepares them for the dick heads there gonna meet in the real world.
No, No, no. Being bullied is the shitiest feeling in the world. I have had the pleasure of being bullied by my own father.... There is nothing good about it. Now, you can turn your experience into a positive, but that doesn't mean that bullying is actually a good thing.
And to the OP, I'm glad you were able to turn such a negative experience into a positive, but your proposition that bullying is a good thing is utter nonsense. It is not a matter of whether the act of bullying itself is a good thing, to say that is absolutely ridiculous. Rather, this is a matter of "can you turn the negative experience of being bullied into a positive thing?"
The answer to that is yes. But again, that does not make bullying a good thing, AT ALL!
by Incendiux » Thu Oct 11, 2012 1:40 pm
Anglican Prussia wrote:Ceannairceach wrote:It is harassment to, you know, harass a child about their sexuality if it isn't public, and to hound them about their sinfullness and "illegality".
Homosexuality isn't illegal, by the way.
I agree, but now, most homosexuals in public high schools fell the need to tell everyone about their sexuality. If they are going to be public about their sex life, they have to have the fact that not everyone is going to agree with them because they "need" everyone's approval.
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