Fascist rise in europe

[Melas]

Since the previous 'Neo-nazi rise in Greece' thread was locked

http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=202615

how about we made a more general one (for muslims go to the muslim thread) anyways
Where do you people blame this rise?
Do you agree with it?
Personally I believe it is normal that nations like Greece have a rise in the extreme right wing,after the crysis the traitorous goverments and the huge waves of immigrants cause to something like that and I agree with it.This has to stop and unfortunetly this seems like the only way

[L Ron Cupboard]

When things get difficult people like to externalise the blame, so they pick some group like foreigners or Jews or the US. Fascists are the parasites who capitalise on that to gain power. They don't actually provide a solution that works, they just say they have one, and hang on to power for as long as they can before people realise it is all a con job. A fascist regime merely prolongs the suffering until they can be removed and a real solution found.

[Samuraikoku]

DOWN WITH FASCISM!

[Quintium]

It's a rather confusing situation. The reason I think the far right appeals to people is because it appeals to what we experience and to what we think. Traditional political parties in Europe have generally operated on a rather undemocratic premise: they would carry out superficial policies, but they would absolutely refuse to question problems that they themselves deemed politically incorrect. That discrepancy is currently rather visible in two fields: the European Union and immigration. Even though a large majority of Europeans want fewer immigrants or even closed borders, a large majority of politicians choose to follow their own views - more immigration. Even though a large majority of Europeans want less powers handed over to the European Union, politicians choose to follow their own views - more powers to the European Union!

The European Union itself, meanwhile, is a widely-detested dictatorship of the bureaucracy. Their extreme stance against capital punishment would almost make you forget that a majority of the population in Europe actually fanatically supports capital punishment at times. The same applies for their views on immigration, economics and criminal justice. What makes them worse than national politicians, though, is that they're chosen by their peers through their own informal networks, and that they can't be removed by the people. So the highest source of law we have is one we can't vote for.

And if you take away people's right to self-determination in favour of your own system - a system that has turned out to be extremely flawed, also - you breed a very toxic type of sentiment. Don't forget, also, that a lot of Hitler's supporters were outraged because France had just invaded them to take over their factories and industrial output, and kicked Germans to the ground who had refused to take off their hats for French soldiers. Does that look familiar to you? Sounds a bit like Greece, with the European Union just moving in and saying they're in charge, then taking all Greece has left and, as many Greeks seem to put it, "flood us with migrants to add to the pain".

Fascism, and all other far-right movements in Europe, are to me just a response by the people of Europe against the half-democratic politicians and undemocratic bureaucrats who try to determine their lives in a way diametrically opposed to what they want.

[Aethelstania]

But is it really though, admittedly there has been a rise in support across Europe but has it really materialized? The only 'serious' fascist party in Europe is the National Front in France and that's not exactly a recent rise that's been an underlying issue in France for a while

[Quintium]

But is it really though, admittedly there has been a rise in support across Europe but has it really materialized? The only 'serious' fascist party in Europe is the National Front in France and that's not exactly a recent rise that's been an underlying issue in France for a while

You seem to forget Chrysi Avgi, a party usually called neo-nazi, which is one of the new major players in Greece. Front National is also growing in strength and popularity quite a bit. In Hungary, there is also a party called Jobbik, which apparently vows to take back land inhabited by Hungarians from neighbouring countries. In Serbia, the executive branch of government pretty much consists of former associates of Radovan Karadzic, who is currently on trial for war crimes. Their sentiment, also, is shared by a lot more people than popular media would have you believe. Expanding on the European Union example, a surprising amount of Serbians - most, perhaps - support Radovan Karadzic and do not want him prosecuted in The Hague.

[North Calaveras]

When things get difficult people like to externalise the blame, so they pick some group like foreigners or Jews or the US. Fascists are the parasites who capitalise on that to gain power. They don't actually provide a solution that works, they just say they have one, and hang on to power for as long as they can before people realise it is all a con job. A fascist regime merely prolongs the suffering until they can be removed and a real solution found.

Idk

It's widley accepted that Hitler and the NAZI party did fix the German economy

Fascism for some reason has a good track record at this

(though i despise nazism, not fascism as a whole)

[Forsher]

Extremism is born of extreme situations. Looking at the Weimar Republic, groups like the Nazis had to do quite a bit of leg work to stay relevant when things got better quite early on. In Europe today there are widespread socio-political issues and this is the breeding ground of extremism.

[Cromarty]

When things get difficult people like to externalise the blame, so they pick some group like foreigners or Jews or the US. Fascists are the parasites who capitalise on that to gain power. They don't actually provide a solution that works, they just say they have one, and hang on to power for as long as they can before people realise it is all a con job. A fascist regime merely prolongs the suffering until they can be removed and a real solution found.

Idk

It's widley accepted that Hitler and the NAZI party did fix the German economy

it's also widely accepted that Hitler's policies were nothing more than a quick fix, and had World War 2 not started, then the German economy would've collapsed.

[Agritum]

DOWN WITH FASCISM!

Indeed.
And if things get too much serious, we need a drastic revival of the partisans.

[Max Empire]

The age of Fascism is over. It ended over 60 years ago. I doubt there is going to be a second one anytime soon

[North Calaveras]

Idk

It's widley accepted that Hitler and the NAZI party did fix the German economy

it's also widely accepted that Hitler's policies were nothing more than a quick fix, and had World War 2 not started, then the German economy would've collapsed.

except that never happened so it's just talk.

[Melas]

it's also widely accepted that Hitler's policies were nothing more than a quick fix, and had World War 2 not started, then the German economy would've collapsed.

except that never happened so it's just talk.

Indeed,and dont forget the 'nazi economy sucked' can just be propaganda

[North Calaveras]

The age of Fascism is over. It ended over 60 years ago. I doubt there is going to be a second one anytime soon

I think it will return, just under a different more friendly name

to be honest that's a lot of what i think at times "proggressive" is, just a cover.

idk anymore though...shits cray

[Melas]

Too bad people still believe fascism=nazi.. just see the difference in the ideologies of Hitler and Musollini.

[Vistulange]

Fascists tend to claim that they have all the 'answers' when the economy has crumbled and the people are unsatisfied. However, when they do come to power, they tend to be racist, militarist and xenophobic. For real examples, see the National Socialists of Nazi Germany and the Fascist party of the Mussolini Italy. For fictitious examples, see the Norsefire party from V For Vendetta.

My own personal thoughts? Fascism is one of the most stupid ideologies ever created, in my personal opinion. Please correct me, but at least communism and capitalism offer some sort of an utopian ideal to work and strive for, while all fascism offers is...a superior race, fighting and killing and conquering, eventually ruling the world or a specific area with a single, master race.

[Yankee Empire]

I hope Fascism is on the Rise, rather than Nazism or Neo Fascsim (which is bascially Nazism).

I myself am in the process on assembling a politcal ideology that caries over many Fascist Principles but cuts out those few key failings in it.

[North Calaveras]

Too bad people still believe fascism=nazi.. just see the difference in the ideologies of Hitler and Musollini.

exactly, it's ridiculous

Fascism/=/Nazism

Nazism is merely a sub-group of fascism, fascism itself has nothing to do with that.

[Quintium]

to be honest that's a lot of what i think at times "proggressive" is, just a cover.

Here's something confusing. In terms of allowing the people to determine their own future, progressive centre-left and centre-right politicians are actually the fascists. They want to stay in power. They've appointed several presidents for the European Union that we don't want or need, presidents who can decide on our future. All in the name of their political ideals, of course, because if the people were to decide, their ideas would be cancelled and reversed in a matter of hours. It's the European Union's unsupported dictates of cultural relativism and economic neoliberalism against what a majority of Europeans want.

[Yankee Empire]

Fascists tend to claim that they have all the 'answers' when the economy has crumbled and the people are unsatisfied.

Pretty much any political party ever has done that.

[Melas]

Fascists tend to claim that they have all the 'answers' when the economy has crumbled and the people are unsatisfied. However, when they do come to power, they tend to be racist, militarist and xenophobic. For real examples, see the National Socialists of Nazi Germany and the Fascist party of the Mussolini Italy. For fictitious examples, see the Norsefire party from V For Vendetta.

My own personal thoughts? Fascism is one of the most stupid ideologies ever created, in my personal opinion. Please correct me, but at least communism and capitalism offer some sort of an utopian ideal to work and strive for, while all fascism offers is...a superior race, fighting and killing and conquering, eventually ruling the world or a specific area with a single, master race.

Thats not fascism... also fascism is an ideology while capitalism is an economic plan which fascism tends to use

[North Calaveras]

Fascists tend to claim that they have all the 'answers' when the economy has crumbled and the people are unsatisfied. However, when they do come to power, they tend to be racist, militarist and xenophobic. For real examples, see the National Socialists of Nazi Germany and the Fascist party of the Mussolini Italy. For fictitious examples, see the Norsefire party from V For Vendetta.

My own personal thoughts? Fascism is one of the most stupid ideologies ever created, in my personal opinion. Please correct me, but at least communism and capitalism offer some sort of an utopian ideal to work and strive for, while all fascism offers is...a superior race, fighting and killing and conquering, eventually ruling the world or a specific area with a single, master race.

Fascism dosn't say anything about a master race or even a superior race

Nazism does however

[CTALNH]

DOWN WITH FASCISM!

"Wow"That really helped out in my country....

Can you give me more substantial help?

Like raising awareness or money for organizing rallies or even better give me guns?

[Yankee Empire]

Fascists tend to claim that they have all the 'answers' when the economy has crumbled and the people are unsatisfied. However, when they do come to power, they tend to be racist, militarist and xenophobic. For real examples, see the National Socialists of Nazi Germany and the Fascist party of the Mussolini Italy. For fictitious examples, see the Norsefire party from V For Vendetta.

My own personal thoughts? Fascism is one of the most stupid ideologies ever created, in my personal opinion. Please correct me, but at least communism and capitalism offer some sort of an utopian ideal to work and strive for, while all fascism offers is...a superior race, fighting and killing and conquering, eventually ruling the world or a specific area with a single, master race.

Thats not fascism... also fascism is an ideology while capitalism is an economic plan which fascism tends to use

Yeah but it mixes it with State control either being State Capitalism or Corporitism.

Also they do offer a Utopian ideal which is part ofthe problem.

[Quintium]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuR0hO4uX7E - Here's a campaign video for one of the most right-wing parties in Europe, and also one of the most popular ones.