What happened to EDL?

[Englonia]

It seems that the infamous English defense league has disappeared, they have not demonstrated in 6 months. what happened?

[Nadkor]

Who cares? Good riddance.

[TaQud]

Maybe they are with the Roanoke Colony or the Mayans...

[L Ron Cupboard]

Perhaps Anders Breivik's links to them, and admiration of them, woke people up to the kind of people they are.

[Fu3lanistan]

They haven't gone anywhere, unfortunately. Even a quick Google shows you that they were still marching two weeks ago: http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/09 ... 48980.html

[Rubiconic Crossings V2 rev 1f]

They had a rally in Walthamstow a couple of weeks ago...

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jakew ... breakdown/

Is the EDL's Tommy Robinson heading for a breakdown?

By Jake Wallis Simons Politics Last updated: September 13th, 2012

Robinson: in a pent-up state

The English Defence League is having a difficult time. Two weeks ago, a rally outside the town hall in Walthamstow, north-east London, was thrown into disarray. Supporters en route to the event were obstructed by demonstrators from groups such as Unite Against Fascism and We Are Waltham Forest, who staged a sit-down protest at a key junction between Hoe Street and Forest Road. The EDL contingent had to be redirected through the backstreets of Walthamstow, receiving abuse from local people and anti-fascist protesters as they passed.

At the same time, another group of 400 anti-EDL activists broke through police lines and occupied the intended rally point. There they stumbled upon the EDL leader, Tommy Robinson, who had arrived early with a handful of supporters to set up the sound system. Tensions rose as police did their best to contain the situation. Forced to dismantle the equipment after a standoff, a visibly shaken Robinson was witnessed having a blazing row with his closest colleague, Kevin Carroll, who despite possessing a criminal record will be standing as a candidate in the Bedfordshire Police Commissioner elections later this year. Twenty English Defence League supporters were arrested; the rally was cancelled.

On Monday, the EDL made an attempt to recover some dignity by announcing that the Walthamstow demonstration had been rescheduled for October 27. Predictably enough, opposing groups wasted no time in promising a robust counter-protest.

And so it goes on. Yet despite the apparent indefatigability of the EDL, a 27-minute video message released this week by Tommy Robinson offers a fascinating insight into the pressure he is under, as well as the infighting that is threatening to tear his movement apart.

The video opens with Robinson, sporting a sculpted haircut and pristine white T-shirt, in a thunderous mood. His initial concern is to set the record straight concerning the Walthamstow debacle. When he was surrounded by hostile activists, he says, he didn’t back down. Despite “two hours of bricks, bottles, abuse, police asking us to move, we weren’t moving … Bear in mind I’m looking at 2000 people who all want to cave my head in … [but] I’d rather be kicked to death than walk away from those scumbags.”

Despite this “staunchness”, members of his own movement had “questioned [his] integrity” by accusing him of running away. According to his account of events, insult was added to injury when EDL supporters blamed him for the failure of the march. Some even demanded that he reimburse their travel money.

“No one was backing us up,” says Robinson, referring to the supporters who had not managed to reach the rally point. “I didn’t say, ‘why didn’t you try and smash through police lines?’. I didn’t throw accusations. Yet people threw accusations at me, questioning my integrity, saying we bowed down.”

The requests for financial recompense were the final straw. “Someone asked me for £100, saying he’s paid to come down here and wasted his money and he has three kids at home,” Robinson says, clearly upset. “Well, I have three kids at home. The difference is that he can take his kids to the park. When we get back off a demo, for a lot of people its over. But my life’s a demo. That’s my life, a demonstration. I’m not bothered about being arrested. My wife’s been arrested, my house has been raided, I’ve done eight days on remand for [an incident at] Tower Hamlets, three days in a Swiss jail for the FIFA thing … I don’t moan. My face is my [EDL branded] hoodie. I can’t take it off. That’s his demo day over. Mine’s not. Mine carries on. I don’t bleat about it.”

Clearly, this insubordinate supporter has hit a raw nerve. What follows is an impassioned rant in which Robinson reveals the extraordinary pressure that is bearing down on him from all sides. Contrary to rumours spread by Nick Griffin that the EDL is funded by “Zionist” businessmen, Robinson says he is a volunteer like everyone else, funding his activities from his own pocket. He holds up a fistful of mortgage arrears letters, complaining that his phone has been cut off, his financial freedom frozen by the authorities, and that all the movement’s money, accumulated via the sale of merchandise, is used up in defending their website against cyber-attack.

In addition, he says, he lives in constant fear for his life and the safety of his family. It is only a matter of time, he says, until “people travel to demos with guns in the boot and IEDs.” In his mind, it is inevitable that “at some point, some beardie weirdie will try and kill me.” Devonshire police has even offered to put him and his family into a witness protection programme, he claims. His response, however, is “no, we’re not doing it! Do you see me hiding?”

Thirteen minutes elapse in this way, with the timbre of Robinson’s voice rising all the time. He talks about how marital difficulties caused him to move out of his house, but few people would allow him to stay for fear of attracting trouble; he rails against the splitters, referring to them as “vultures jumping in with pathetic little splinter groups.”

At this point, however – just when he seems on the verge of exploding – he tells himself to “calm down” and gathers his thoughts. He then explains in some detail how “backstabbing” is threatening the unity of the EDL, and challenges pretenders to his throne to stake their claim on YouTube. The video ends with two soliloquys delivered in a hushed, almost intimate voice that cracks with emotion. In the first, he appears to be a man stretched to breaking point:

“With all life’s pressures, and all the normal personal life pressures people have, children, families, you know, f—— … one death threat, one Osman warning, bit of pressure, bit of stress, when you start putting the court case after court case after court case, no money, financial restraint, clamped, it’s all in order to break me, yeah? What I don’t need is English Defence League supporters getting on my back.”

At this point, the dominant impression is that the collapse of Tommy Robinson and his group is imminent. In the second section, however, he gathers all the threads together and transforms them into a rousing finale. Referring to the upcoming, rescheduled demonstration in Walthamstow, he says:

“All these little f—— Islamists are going to be out in force thinking they can take the p–, so every lad needs to be there, it’s important. As I said, I welcome everyone back, I take everyone back, there’s no hard feelings with anyone. Let’s crack on, have a united front, and take back our cities street by street.”

He signs off with a wink that must send a thrill of delight down the spines of his supporters – and a chill down the spines of the rest of us.

Tommy Robinson is nobody’s fool. Although his display of stress appears to be genuine, there can be no mistaking that what we are witnessing is the careful cultivation of a martyrdom myth. The movement of the speech – the alternating notes of despair, fury and steely resolve – is a deceptively masterful piece of oration. And it seems to have worked. One follower, 223Stryker, posted in an online comment that “Tommy is a legend and the glue that holds the EDL together, my advice to his detractors is grow up or get out”. Another, Jacob Bewick, simply wrote “no surrender Tommy”.

It is impossible to tell whether Robinson’s public – and somewhat bizarre – convulsions represent the death throes of a movement or the birth pangs of a new and more dangerous phase. Either his zeal will be stoked by the pressure, or it will ultimately destroy him. No prizes for guessing which will be in the public interest.

[L Ron Cupboard]

Sounds like the NF and BNP all over again, they hate each other as much as they hate foreigners so they tear themselves apart.

[Aethelstania]

There still around but the whole far right resurgence that went on a few years ago has pretty much gone. Same with the BNP loosing I think all of its councilors ?

[Englonia]

They had a rally in Walthamstow a couple of weeks ago...

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jakew ... breakdown/

Is the EDL's Tommy Robinson heading for a breakdown?

By Jake Wallis Simons Politics Last updated: September 13th, 2012

Robinson: in a pent-up state

The English Defence League is having a difficult time. Two weeks ago, a rally outside the town hall in Walthamstow, north-east London, was thrown into disarray. Supporters en route to the event were obstructed by demonstrators from groups such as Unite Against Fascism and We Are Waltham Forest, who staged a sit-down protest at a key junction between Hoe Street and Forest Road. The EDL contingent had to be redirected through the backstreets of Walthamstow, receiving abuse from local people and anti-fascist protesters as they passed.

At the same time, another group of 400 anti-EDL activists broke through police lines and occupied the intended rally point. There they stumbled upon the EDL leader, Tommy Robinson, who had arrived early with a handful of supporters to set up the sound system. Tensions rose as police did their best to contain the situation. Forced to dismantle the equipment after a standoff, a visibly shaken Robinson was witnessed having a blazing row with his closest colleague, Kevin Carroll, who despite possessing a criminal record will be standing as a candidate in the Bedfordshire Police Commissioner elections later this year. Twenty English Defence League supporters were arrested; the rally was cancelled.

On Monday, the EDL made an attempt to recover some dignity by announcing that the Walthamstow demonstration had been rescheduled for October 27. Predictably enough, opposing groups wasted no time in promising a robust counter-protest.

And so it goes on. Yet despite the apparent indefatigability of the EDL, a 27-minute video message released this week by Tommy Robinson offers a fascinating insight into the pressure he is under, as well as the infighting that is threatening to tear his movement apart.

The video opens with Robinson, sporting a sculpted haircut and pristine white T-shirt, in a thunderous mood. His initial concern is to set the record straight concerning the Walthamstow debacle. When he was surrounded by hostile activists, he says, he didn’t back down. Despite “two hours of bricks, bottles, abuse, police asking us to move, we weren’t moving … Bear in mind I’m looking at 2000 people who all want to cave my head in … [but] I’d rather be kicked to death than walk away from those scumbags.”

Despite this “staunchness”, members of his own movement had “questioned [his] integrity” by accusing him of running away. According to his account of events, insult was added to injury when EDL supporters blamed him for the failure of the march. Some even demanded that he reimburse their travel money.

“No one was backing us up,” says Robinson, referring to the supporters who had not managed to reach the rally point. “I didn’t say, ‘why didn’t you try and smash through police lines?’. I didn’t throw accusations. Yet people threw accusations at me, questioning my integrity, saying we bowed down.”

The requests for financial recompense were the final straw. “Someone asked me for £100, saying he’s paid to come down here and wasted his money and he has three kids at home,” Robinson says, clearly upset. “Well, I have three kids at home. The difference is that he can take his kids to the park. When we get back off a demo, for a lot of people its over. But my life’s a demo. That’s my life, a demonstration. I’m not bothered about being arrested. My wife’s been arrested, my house has been raided, I’ve done eight days on remand for [an incident at] Tower Hamlets, three days in a Swiss jail for the FIFA thing … I don’t moan. My face is my [EDL branded] hoodie. I can’t take it off. That’s his demo day over. Mine’s not. Mine carries on. I don’t bleat about it.”

Clearly, this insubordinate supporter has hit a raw nerve. What follows is an impassioned rant in which Robinson reveals the extraordinary pressure that is bearing down on him from all sides. Contrary to rumours spread by Nick Griffin that the EDL is funded by “Zionist” businessmen, Robinson says he is a volunteer like everyone else, funding his activities from his own pocket. He holds up a fistful of mortgage arrears letters, complaining that his phone has been cut off, his financial freedom frozen by the authorities, and that all the movement’s money, accumulated via the sale of merchandise, is used up in defending their website against cyber-attack.

In addition, he says, he lives in constant fear for his life and the safety of his family. It is only a matter of time, he says, until “people travel to demos with guns in the boot and IEDs.” In his mind, it is inevitable that “at some point, some beardie weirdie will try and kill me.” Devonshire police has even offered to put him and his family into a witness protection programme, he claims. His response, however, is “no, we’re not doing it! Do you see me hiding?”

Thirteen minutes elapse in this way, with the timbre of Robinson’s voice rising all the time. He talks about how marital difficulties caused him to move out of his house, but few people would allow him to stay for fear of attracting trouble; he rails against the splitters, referring to them as “vultures jumping in with pathetic little splinter groups.”

At this point, however – just when he seems on the verge of exploding – he tells himself to “calm down” and gathers his thoughts. He then explains in some detail how “backstabbing” is threatening the unity of the EDL, and challenges pretenders to his throne to stake their claim on YouTube. The video ends with two soliloquys delivered in a hushed, almost intimate voice that cracks with emotion. In the first, he appears to be a man stretched to breaking point:

“With all life’s pressures, and all the normal personal life pressures people have, children, families, you know, f—— … one death threat, one Osman warning, bit of pressure, bit of stress, when you start putting the court case after court case after court case, no money, financial restraint, clamped, it’s all in order to break me, yeah? What I don’t need is English Defence League supporters getting on my back.”

At this point, the dominant impression is that the collapse of Tommy Robinson and his group is imminent. In the second section, however, he gathers all the threads together and transforms them into a rousing finale. Referring to the upcoming, rescheduled demonstration in Walthamstow, he says:

“All these little f—— Islamists are going to be out in force thinking they can take the p–, so every lad needs to be there, it’s important. As I said, I welcome everyone back, I take everyone back, there’s no hard feelings with anyone. Let’s crack on, have a united front, and take back our cities street by street.”

He signs off with a wink that must send a thrill of delight down the spines of his supporters – and a chill down the spines of the rest of us.

Tommy Robinson is nobody’s fool. Although his display of stress appears to be genuine, there can be no mistaking that what we are witnessing is the careful cultivation of a martyrdom myth. The movement of the speech – the alternating notes of despair, fury and steely resolve – is a deceptively masterful piece of oration. And it seems to have worked. One follower, 223Stryker, posted in an online comment that “Tommy is a legend and the glue that holds the EDL together, my advice to his detractors is grow up or get out”. Another, Jacob Bewick, simply wrote “no surrender Tommy”.

It is impossible to tell whether Robinson’s public – and somewhat bizarre – convulsions represent the death throes of a movement or the birth pangs of a new and more dangerous phase. Either his zeal will be stoked by the pressure, or it will ultimately destroy him. No prizes for guessing which will be in the public interest.

It seems that the EDL are Falling Apart

[Ifreann]

I imagine they're busy being irrelevant shitbags, as per usual.

[Rubiconic Crossings V2 rev 1f]

I imagine they're busy being irrelevant shitbags, as per usual.

Becoming irrelevant...absolutely.

[Lackadaisical2]

They had a rally in Walthamstow a couple of weeks ago...

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jakew ... breakdown/

Is the EDL's Tommy Robinson heading for a breakdown?

By Jake Wallis Simons Politics Last updated: September 13th, 2012

Robinson: in a pent-up state

The English Defence League is having a difficult time. Two weeks ago, a rally outside the town hall in Walthamstow, north-east London, was thrown into disarray. Supporters en route to the event were obstructed by demonstrators from groups such as Unite Against Fascism and We Are Waltham Forest, who staged a sit-down protest at a key junction between Hoe Street and Forest Road. The EDL contingent had to be redirected through the backstreets of Walthamstow, receiving abuse from local people and anti-fascist protesters as they passed.

At the same time, another group of 400 anti-EDL activists broke through police lines and occupied the intended rally point. There they stumbled upon the EDL leader, Tommy Robinson, who had arrived early with a handful of supporters to set up the sound system. Tensions rose as police did their best to contain the situation. Forced to dismantle the equipment after a standoff, a visibly shaken Robinson was witnessed having a blazing row with his closest colleague, Kevin Carroll, who despite possessing a criminal record will be standing as a candidate in the Bedfordshire Police Commissioner elections later this year. Twenty English Defence League supporters were arrested; the rally was cancelled.

On Monday, the EDL made an attempt to recover some dignity by announcing that the Walthamstow demonstration had been rescheduled for October 27. Predictably enough, opposing groups wasted no time in promising a robust counter-protest.

And so it goes on. Yet despite the apparent indefatigability of the EDL, a 27-minute video message released this week by Tommy Robinson offers a fascinating insight into the pressure he is under, as well as the infighting that is threatening to tear his movement apart.

The video opens with Robinson, sporting a sculpted haircut and pristine white T-shirt, in a thunderous mood. His initial concern is to set the record straight concerning the Walthamstow debacle. When he was surrounded by hostile activists, he says, he didn’t back down. Despite “two hours of bricks, bottles, abuse, police asking us to move, we weren’t moving … Bear in mind I’m looking at 2000 people who all want to cave my head in … [but] I’d rather be kicked to death than walk away from those scumbags.”

Despite this “staunchness”, members of his own movement had “questioned [his] integrity” by accusing him of running away. According to his account of events, insult was added to injury when EDL supporters blamed him for the failure of the march. Some even demanded that he reimburse their travel money.

“No one was backing us up,” says Robinson, referring to the supporters who had not managed to reach the rally point. “I didn’t say, ‘why didn’t you try and smash through police lines?’. I didn’t throw accusations. Yet people threw accusations at me, questioning my integrity, saying we bowed down.”

The requests for financial recompense were the final straw. “Someone asked me for £100, saying he’s paid to come down here and wasted his money and he has three kids at home,” Robinson says, clearly upset. “Well, I have three kids at home. The difference is that he can take his kids to the park. When we get back off a demo, for a lot of people its over. But my life’s a demo. That’s my life, a demonstration. I’m not bothered about being arrested. My wife’s been arrested, my house has been raided, I’ve done eight days on remand for [an incident at] Tower Hamlets, three days in a Swiss jail for the FIFA thing … I don’t moan. My face is my [EDL branded] hoodie. I can’t take it off. That’s his demo day over. Mine’s not. Mine carries on. I don’t bleat about it.”

Clearly, this insubordinate supporter has hit a raw nerve. What follows is an impassioned rant in which Robinson reveals the extraordinary pressure that is bearing down on him from all sides. Contrary to rumours spread by Nick Griffin that the EDL is funded by “Zionist” businessmen, Robinson says he is a volunteer like everyone else, funding his activities from his own pocket. He holds up a fistful of mortgage arrears letters, complaining that his phone has been cut off, his financial freedom frozen by the authorities, and that all the movement’s money, accumulated via the sale of merchandise, is used up in defending their website against cyber-attack.

In addition, he says, he lives in constant fear for his life and the safety of his family. It is only a matter of time, he says, until “people travel to demos with guns in the boot and IEDs.” In his mind, it is inevitable that “at some point, some beardie weirdie will try and kill me.” Devonshire police has even offered to put him and his family into a witness protection programme, he claims. His response, however, is “no, we’re not doing it! Do you see me hiding?”

Thirteen minutes elapse in this way, with the timbre of Robinson’s voice rising all the time. He talks about how marital difficulties caused him to move out of his house, but few people would allow him to stay for fear of attracting trouble; he rails against the splitters, referring to them as “vultures jumping in with pathetic little splinter groups.”

At this point, however – just when he seems on the verge of exploding – he tells himself to “calm down” and gathers his thoughts. He then explains in some detail how “backstabbing” is threatening the unity of the EDL, and challenges pretenders to his throne to stake their claim on YouTube. The video ends with two soliloquys delivered in a hushed, almost intimate voice that cracks with emotion. In the first, he appears to be a man stretched to breaking point:

“With all life’s pressures, and all the normal personal life pressures people have, children, families, you know, f—— … one death threat, one Osman warning, bit of pressure, bit of stress, when you start putting the court case after court case after court case, no money, financial restraint, clamped, it’s all in order to break me, yeah? What I don’t need is English Defence League supporters getting on my back.”

At this point, the dominant impression is that the collapse of Tommy Robinson and his group is imminent. In the second section, however, he gathers all the threads together and transforms them into a rousing finale. Referring to the upcoming, rescheduled demonstration in Walthamstow, he says:

“All these little f—— Islamists are going to be out in force thinking they can take the p–, so every lad needs to be there, it’s important. As I said, I welcome everyone back, I take everyone back, there’s no hard feelings with anyone. Let’s crack on, have a united front, and take back our cities street by street.”

He signs off with a wink that must send a thrill of delight down the spines of his supporters – and a chill down the spines of the rest of us.

Tommy Robinson is nobody’s fool. Although his display of stress appears to be genuine, there can be no mistaking that what we are witnessing is the careful cultivation of a martyrdom myth. The movement of the speech – the alternating notes of despair, fury and steely resolve – is a deceptively masterful piece of oration. And it seems to have worked. One follower, 223Stryker, posted in an online comment that “Tommy is a legend and the glue that holds the EDL together, my advice to his detractors is grow up or get out”. Another, Jacob Bewick, simply wrote “no surrender Tommy”.

It is impossible to tell whether Robinson’s public – and somewhat bizarre – convulsions represent the death throes of a movement or the birth pangs of a new and more dangerous phase. Either his zeal will be stoked by the pressure, or it will ultimately destroy him. No prizes for guessing which will be in the public interest.

Wow, anti-EDL protestors violate the free speech of 'fascists' how ironic.

[Yewhohohopia]

They ran out of money, basically.

[Ifreann]

They ran out of money, basically.

Not even racists are spared the wrath of the economic crisis.

[Rubiconic Crossings V2 rev 1f]

They had a rally in Walthamstow a couple of weeks ago...

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jakew ... breakdown/

Wow, anti-EDL protestors violate the free speech of 'fascists' how ironic.

No 1st amendment in the UK...hate speech is illegal.

[Ifreann]

Wow, anti-EDL protestors violate the free speech of 'fascists' how ironic.

No 1st amendment in the UK...hate speech is illegal.

I feel safe in asserting that, while the First Amendment to the US Constitution obviously doesn't apply in the UK, they do have the right to free speech. It's just got different limitations than in the US.

[Forsakia]

Sounds like the NF and BNP all over again, they hate each other as much as they hate foreigners so they tear themselves apart.

Iirc the BNP have claimed that the EDL are actually a Jewish false-flag organisation.

[The Greater Aryan Race]

Those who live by the sword, die by the sword.

[Ostroeuropa]

No 1st amendment in the UK...hate speech is illegal.

I feel safe in asserting that, while the First Amendment to the US Constitution obviously doesn't apply in the UK, they do have the right to free speech. It's just got different limitations than in the US.

Actually not. It's a huge point of contention.
Until recently we had blasphemy laws. We have a culture that is strongly in favour (nominally) of free speech, but a government that wont pass acts to support it.
MOSTLY because of parliamentary superiority. We cant pass a free speech law giving us the right to free speech, since any new law banning certain speech would automatically supercede it.

[Ifreann]

Those who live by the sword, die by the sword.

Pretty sure we'd have heard of it if they'd all been stabbed to death.

---

I feel safe in asserting that, while the First Amendment to the US Constitution obviously doesn't apply in the UK, they do have the right to free speech. It's just got different limitations than in the US.

Actually not. It's a huge point of contention.
Until recently we had blasphemy laws. We have a culture that is strongly in favour (nominally) of free speech, but a government that wont pass acts to support it.
MOSTLY because of parliamentary superiority. We cant pass a free speech law giving us the right to free speech, since any new law banning certain speech would automatically supercede it.

Turns out those dastardly Europeans foisted a right to free expression upon you.

[Ostroeuropa]

Those who live by the sword, die by the sword.

Pretty sure we'd have heard of it if they'd all been stabbed to death.

---

Actually not. It's a huge point of contention.
Until recently we had blasphemy laws. We have a culture that is strongly in favour (nominally) of free speech, but a government that wont pass acts to support it.
MOSTLY because of parliamentary superiority. We cant pass a free speech law giving us the right to free speech, since any new law banning certain speech would automatically supercede it.

Turns out those dastardly Europeans foisted a right to free expression upon you.

Again, parliamentary supremacy would mean it doesn't apply. That's the line of the government, even if I don't agree with it. If parliament passes a law against free speech, it trumps all previous treaties and laws.
Incidentally, protection of health and morals allows ANY violation. It's a totally useless article.

Allowed exceptions:
interests of national security
territorial integrity or public safety
prevention of disorder or crime
protection of health or morals
protection of the reputation or the rights of others
preventing the disclosure of information received in confidence
maintaining the authority and impartiality of the judiciary

Name for me one type of speech you couldn't ban using one of these exceptions.


Also, a very good example of how much free speech we have under that provision.

European Nations With Laws Outlawing Genocide Denial
Austria
Belgium
Bosnia and Herzegovina
Czech Republic
France
Germany
Hungary
Liechtenstein
Lithuania
Luxembourg
The Netherlands

The European Union's executive Commission proposed a European Union-wide anti-racism xenophobia law in 2001, which included the criminalization of Holocaust denial.

[Varijnland]

Everyone here seems to not actualy know what the EDL is and what it was supposed to be, sure lots of members are in it for the violence and are generaly racsist and bullying thugs, however EDL was created as a reaction to combat islamic extremism in England (a noble cause if you ask me) and something that many people may fear to do or keep quiet about it. They are however, doing it wrong. They were not created to be racsist (they have a Sihk division as well as black members) and they want to change England's terrible justice policies regarding muslims including a case where 4 muslim women beat up another women (because she was White) and were let off because the Judge said they were not used to alcohol. It also seems that you are more likely to be attacked for condeming radical islam than you are for supporting them nowadays which is completely wrong.

[Varijnland]

Perhaps Anders Breivik's links to them, and admiration of them, woke people up to the kind of people they are.

You literaly have no idea "what kind of people they are".

[Tagmatium]

they want to change England's terrible justice policies regarding muslims including a case where 4 muslim women beat up another women (because she was White) and were let off because the Judge said they were not used to alcohol.

Source, please.

Because that just sounds like bullshit propaganda.

[Bears Armed Mission]

Sounds like the NF and BNP all over again, they hate each other as much as they hate foreigners so they tear themselves apart.

Same thing happened to the Communists, same thing happened to the INLA: It seems to be a general problem for 'fringe' political or quasi-political groups, at least in the UK...