[ PASSED] Repeal Condemn Sedgistan

[Austro-Germanica]

I'm on the fence with this one. While the condemnation in question clearly lacks the substance the SC usually looks for from such an action, this condemnation (along with the Commendation of The Skeleton Army) almost has enough comical value to stand. I could be persuaded either way, really. I don't really see an explicit need to repeal this, however, which is what I'm leaning towards ATM.

But there was a need to repeal "QUOTE OF THE DAY'S" commendation?

You have voiced a constant approval of any repeal of a Commendation/Condemnation, and now you are on the fence on this one?

[Andropoland]

Just a small question I haven't seen properly answered in this thread... does Sedge want this to be repealed? If he wants to be condemned for silly reasons, I'm fine with that, I never was much of a fan of seriousness. But if he no longer wants to be condemned, I would have to agree...

Basically, I'm saying I don't believe it's fair for someone to be condemned against his will for silly reasons, so if Sedge wants this to be repealed I'm for it. But if he does want to keep it, I see no problem.

But he's likely not going to answer this question, so I might as well not have even written this out. *Sigh*

Emphasis mine. Did you read Sedge's post, not five above yours?

I'd rather hear it directly from him directly than to just base it off of his personal vote...

[Jukenia]

I'm on the fence with this one. While theComica condemnation in question clearly lacks the substance the SC usually looks for from such an action, this condemnation (along with the Commendation of The Skeleton Army) almost enough comical value to stand. I could be persuaded either way, really. I don't really see an explicit need to repeal this, however, which is what I'm leaning towards ATM.

Comical value? Keep in mind that the WA treats everything seriously, sir!

[Skyrim Diplomacy]

I'm on the fence with this one. While the condemnation in question clearly lacks the substance the SC usually looks for from such an action, this condemnation (along with the Commendation of The Skeleton Army) almost has enough comical value to stand. I could be persuaded either way, really. I don't really see an explicit need to repeal this, however, which is what I'm leaning towards ATM.

But there was a need to repeal "QUOTE OF THE DAY'S" commendation?

You have voiced a constant approval of any repeal of a Commendation/Condemnation, and now you are on the fence on this one?

That is such a terribly short-sighted and under-informed view I'm not even going to address it. Actually, I lied.

First off, do you mean Repeal "Commend The Quote of the Day"? If you don't know the history behind that (which I'm assuming you don't, given that you bring it up), that was a repeal in the works for nearly a year. And, with the nice majority that passed that proposal, I'd say most agreed with me.

Furthermore, there have only been two relevant repeal attempts of C&Cs recently, one of which I did not support and one of which I did, so I don't know where you're getting all this nonsense about supporting every repeal of a C&C. I'm even more confused as to why you think we should vote the same on every proposal, which is obviously foolish. It's a case-by-case basis.

Edit for grammar.

[Lagaphroaig]

4 pages on this one? There is only one thing worse than authoring C&Cs. Repealing them. Let this one be.

[Afrontum]

And, with the nice majority that passed that proposal, I'd say most agreed with me.

There is a strong contingent of Security Council members, we suspect, that will approve anything with "Repeal" in the title sight unseen.

That said, our delegation really cannot be bothered with attempting to untangle the impenetrable web of drama surrounding this repeal, and so we are voting against. We can understand repealing such resolutions for nations that no longer exist, but the flimsy rationales on both sides here make us wonder if it might be possible to come up with a way to justify the repeal of every existing commendation or condemnation. Can we move on to something else more important?

[Allyria]

Dear Security Council Members,

The Community of Allyria maintains a stance that all condemnations should be repealed after a period of time in the interest of Compassion and the promotion of the General Welfare of the world through understanding. Originally, we voted "yes" on this proposal, following this belief.

However, now we find ourselves changing stance, as the condemnation does not truly condemn Sedgistan, instead acting as a source of lighthearted jabbing between friendly nations. After reviewing the Council's meetings about this resolution, it appears that Sedgistan does not want the condemnation repealed, and it would be uncompassionate to do so. It remains clear, further, that many nations in the Security Council understand this.

The Community of Allyria hereby switches its vote to "no."

Sincerely,
The Community of Allyria

Delivered via e-mail from the Community of Allyria Diplomatic Mailer Daemon. Endorsed by a plurality vote with attention to minority voices in the Community of Allyria's Diplomatic Context.

[Skyrim Diplomacy]

There is a strong contingent of Security Council members, we suspect, that will approve anything with "Repeal" in the title sight unseen.

One would hope not.

[The Bruce]

DISGUSTED by the use of the Security Council as a tool to play silly games;

OOC: Really? Isn't that all the Security Council usually involves itself in?

Really, it's this or debating the merits of Nazi Europe and nobody wants to go back to that...

I don't see how the repealing of this condemn is a big deal. It was done as a joke and if those involved can convince enough people to dispense with it, they should dispense with it. The only thing I have against resolutions like this is that they've now twice hijacked the business of the Security Council for what is admittedly a joke resolution.

Since this condemnation resolution has no references to the coup in the South Pacific and is more of a condemnation among friends, this condemnation has no bearing on those events and should not be used in reference to them. There was already a condemnation based on the South Pacific coup, if not two condemnations.

[Lagaphroaig]

If it was a big joke, maybe the nation authoring this crap should be condemned in stead?

[Skyrim Diplomacy]

If it was a big joke, maybe the nation authoring this crap should be condemned in stead?

For: 6,031. Against: 1,467. Doesn't look like Mahaj is alone in thinking the condemnation should be repealed.

[The Happpening]

I vote AGAINST repeal; the Security Council lacks teeth if it is so quick to reverse its position.

[Skyrim Diplomacy]

I vote AGAINST repeal; the Security Council lacks teeth if it is so quick to reverse its position.

Um, what? Sedge's condemnation has been in the book for over a year and a half. Are ambassadors just coming into the SC nowadays commenting on material they clearly have no grasp of, as we see here?

[The Happpening]

I vote AGAINST repeal; the Security Council lacks teeth if it is so quick to reverse its position.

Um, what? Sedge's condemnation has been in the book for over a year and a half. Are ambassadors just coming into the SC nowadays commenting on material they clearly have no grasp of, as we see here?

That's right.

[Omigodtheykilledkenny]

Voted for. It's about fucking time this damned thing was wiped off the books. Joke resolutions have no place in the Security Council.

[The Great Destruction]

sigh....

[Skyrim Diplomacy]

Um, what? Sedge's condemnation has been in the book for over a year and a half. Are ambassadors just coming into the SC nowadays commenting on material they clearly have no grasp of, as we see here?

That's right.

If you aren't informed about the subject at hand, don't comment. We don'e need more uninformed masses in here than there already are.

[The divided]

The Divided's minister of seriousness rose and sternly spoke, "I completely agree with the opinion of the Kennyites. There is no place for humor or fun in the SC, the world is a miserable place and this body should be no different.... Suddenly he gets distracted by some laughing kids in the corner and runs to correct them, "why are you laughing children, life sucks and yours should too. Only come back when you realize that there is no place in the world for fun".

[The Great Destruction]

But there was a need to repeal "QUOTE OF THE DAY'S" commendation?

You have voiced a constant approval of any repeal of a Commendation/Condemnation, and now you are on the fence on this one?

In short, yes.

Furthermore, arguing that repeal both should and need to be allowed as a proposal (which Skyrim and I both argued against one of the more single mindedly Uber-authoritarian nations...unfortunatly that country thinks they are the authority) is entirely differnt and argueing that this repeal, or any specific repeal, should be passed regardless of content, need, or intent. Try to keep them separate.

[Mahaj]

*party*

[Skyrim Diplomacy]

*party*

*supplies alcohol*

Nice work, Mahaj.

EDIT: Also, I made it into your sig? Egad!

[Lagaphroaig]

Voted for. It's about fucking time this damned thing was wiped off the books. Joke resolutions have no place in the Security Council.

No. We're dead serious here, for sure. You got your wish through then. Congrats to all you serious guys, finally got your act together. My nation is happy to supply the entire WASC with some scotch.
*Hands out Laphroaig, 10 years old, cask strength (55.4%) to the all the nations which has posted on this thread so far*
Cheers!

[Bears Armed Mission]

Well the use of the word "disgusted" in this clause:

DISGUSTED by the use of the Security Council as a tool to play silly games;

...seemed a little overblown.

Would you have preferred NONETHELESS REMAINS AGOG at the chutzpah exhibited in crafting a resolution that...?

[Mahaj]

Looks like some Mod didn't like my pre-title to this here.