Vapor: A Steampunk RP Region (OOC v. 2.0 -- CLOSED)

[Vitzenburg]

And when the farms start failing, whoa boy, there's gonna be some shit goin down in Vitzenburg.

[Cyprum Xecuii]

Tis the reason one should not turn their nation into an industrial hellhole.

[Vitzenburg]

Psshhhh, I'll just need to, you know, start suppressing my population...

[The Holy Dominion of Inesea]

Psshhhh, I'll just need to, you know, start suppressing my population...

or import food....

[Cyprum Xecuii]

Psshhhh, I'll just need to, you know, start suppressing my population...

Mother of god.

[Mishmahig]

Psshhhh, I'll just need to, you know, start suppressing my population...

The return of the Vitzenburg First movement?

[Vitzenburg]

Yes, importing food is the smart option X3

[Fanaglia]

Potatoes, Wheat, Rice, and Tobacco aren't very exotic. And it is not the seasons themselves that affect growth. It is the fact that land needs that period of rest for several months or so. Otherwise it becomes impotent very fast.

Sri, School HW, CREW HW, Agriculture HW and mechanics HW.

2/4 are crops grown domestically and, as I said before, imports from Inesea were just supplemental and we do store plenty of food. The cost of certain foods might rise slightly, but it wouldn't be that painful. People's buying habits might change a little (buying less of this and more of that, and going without this one extra little treat), but nothing too significant. In the end, it would be far less dramatic than the affect of the rise in gas prices in the last ten years on American lives.

Not to derail what you've said, but Iran is doing pretty well in its self-sufficiency, although it also isn't socialist [but it's highly centralized].

I like to think of my nation as 'pure communist' however it is doubtful that it could ever be possible on that scale. Is there any type of society similar to what I believe my nation to be as? Anything even close to it?

BTW: I read the cow analogies on types of political systems and read about socialism on this site: http://www.isreview.org/issues/47/wdss-humnature.shtml

Define "pretty well."

Have you seen the cars they build? The Pakyan was Iran's only domestic car for a very long time and was pretty much unchanged from when it began production in 1967 until the Iranian government paid Iran Khodro (the company that built it) to stop making it because it was an "environmental hazard." Its replacement isn't much of an improvement.

How about their building construction?

Let's not even go into their typical teachings on social and scientific matters.

EDIT: I just realized I only acknowledged half your post; sorry 'bout that.

You're right -- they aren't socialist at all (not even close), but the resulting isolation is the same. Both Iran and Cyprum Xecuii are sort of acknowledged and dealt with when need be, but they're sort of like the misfit kids who prefer to be alone at recess. The other kids don't necessarily avoid them (though they often do), but they're just sort of in their own little worlds, being odd.

The closest thing I can think of to a large, successful collective society (at least one that I know a decent amount about) was Jonestown in the 1970s. It was a religious cult led by Jim Jones, a very outspoken communist. Essentially, he wanted to start a utopian, communist society that would exist in harmony with nature, with each other, and with God. He bought some land in Guyana and started Jonestown.

Things were hard at first for the people there, but once they got settled in, for many of them, it was almost the paradise they imagined to be.

Then their leader, Jim Jones, started to get really paranoid about persecution from the outside world. He convinced pretty much everyone that the best thing for them all to do would be to remove themselves from it. So they all took cyanide (many voluntary, some forced) and died (only a few managed to escape).

@Inesea

Well, that's not too bad, is it?

No, well, depends. You store food but does Fan?

And I do not mind if you rp a protester.

I do not mind, either -- frees up time for me to focus on the rest of the bazillion characters whose strings I'm pulling.

You can't possibly say that because you stop exporting food to a specific nation it'll make their prices go up. No no no, you have to first have confirmation on what they even import or come to think of it, if they even import from you. Fan brought up an excellent point in that they don't need Inesea to feed their people comfortably so stop pushing it.

Because no country is entirely self-sufficient and perfect. They cannot be industrial superpowers with massive population bases and also manage to grow enough food/agricultural crops to sustain themselves indefinitely. It simply does not work that way.

Most Amplectoran nations have indicated that they are focusing on industry and technology, which means that their agriculture must suffer accordingly. Inesea went the opposite route, becoming the nominal breadbasket of the world, a fact that he has stated many times on the OOC, without people objecting.

I never claimed to be entirely self-sufficient, but we can get on without Inesea without too much trouble. The United States doesn't have too much trouble maintaining a very strong agricultural and industrial sector because it has plenty of land, as does Fanaglia. Also, you're making a very broad and sweeping generalization about Amplector -- Fanaglia does have its industrial centers, like Kraftenberg and Carbur, but industry is hardly the center of our economy. I mean, the highest-ranking member of the Queen's advisory cabinet is her agricultural adviser, for God's sake. And a nation with as strong of an agricultural sector as mine, especially at this period in time, would certainly have plenty of large food stores.

[Vitzenburg]

It will be awesome watching the east go up in flames

[Fanaglia]

Psshhhh, I'll just need to, you know, start suppressing my population...

This is about the time in history when the use of condoms began to become popular. I did a research paper on it once. It was about the condom images hidden in Peter Pan and the symbolism behind them. I was very drunk for most of that paper. I got an A.

[Cyprum Xecuii]

Potatoes, Wheat, Rice, and Tobacco aren't very exotic. And it is not the seasons themselves that affect growth. It is the fact that land needs that period of rest for several months or so. Otherwise it becomes impotent very fast.

Sri, School HW, CREW HW, Agriculture HW and mechanics HW.

2/4 are crops grown domestically and, as I said before, imports from Inesea were just supplemental and we do store plenty of food. The cost of certain foods might rise slightly, but it wouldn't be that painful. People's buying habits might change a little (buying less of this and more of that, and going without this one extra little treat), but nothing too significant. In the end, it would be far less dramatic than the affect of the rise in gas prices in the last ten years on American lives.

Not to derail what you've said, but Iran is doing pretty well in its self-sufficiency, although it also isn't socialist [but it's highly centralized].

I like to think of my nation as 'pure communist' however it is doubtful that it could ever be possible on that scale. Is there any type of society similar to what I believe my nation to be as? Anything even close to it?

BTW: I read the cow analogies on types of political systems and read about socialism on this site: http://www.isreview.org/issues/47/wdss-humnature.shtml

Define "pretty well."

Have you seen the cars they build? The Pakyan was Iran's only domestic car for a very long time and was pretty much unchanged from when it began production in 1967 until the Iranian government paid Iran Khodro (the company that built it) to stop making it because it was an "environmental hazard." Its replacement isn't much of an improvement.

How about their building construction?

Let's not even go into their typical teachings on social and scientific matters.

EDIT: I just realized I only acknowledged half your post; sorry 'bout that.

You're right -- they aren't socialist at all (not even close), but the resulting isolation is the same. Both Iran and Cyprum Xecuii are sort of acknowledged and dealt with when need be, but they're sort of like the misfit kids who prefer to be alone at recess. The other kids don't necessarily avoid them (though they often do), but they're just sort of in their own little worlds, being odd.

The closest thing I can think of to a large, successful collective society (at least one that I know a decent amount about) was Jonestown in the 1970s. It was a religious cult led by Jim Jones, a very outspoken communist. Essentially, he wanted to start a utopian, communist society that would exist in harmony with nature, with each other, and with God. He bought some land in Guyana and started Jonestown.

Things were hard at first for the people there, but once they got settled in, for many of them, it was almost the paradise they imagined to be.

Then their leader, Jim Jones, started to get really paranoid about persecution from the outside world. He convinced pretty much everyone that the best thing for them all to do would be to remove themselves from it. So they all took cyanide (many voluntary, some forced) and died (only a few managed to escape).

No, well, depends. You store food but does Fan?

And I do not mind if you rp a protester.

I do not mind, either -- frees up time for me to focus on the rest of the bazillion characters whose strings I'm pulling.

Because no country is entirely self-sufficient and perfect. They cannot be industrial superpowers with massive population bases and also manage to grow enough food/agricultural crops to sustain themselves indefinitely. It simply does not work that way.

Most Amplectoran nations have indicated that they are focusing on industry and technology, which means that their agriculture must suffer accordingly. Inesea went the opposite route, becoming the nominal breadbasket of the world, a fact that he has stated many times on the OOC, without people objecting.

I never claimed to be entirely self-sufficient, but we can get on without Inesea without too much trouble. The United States doesn't have too much trouble maintaining a very strong agricultural and industrial sector because it has plenty of land, as does Fanaglia. Also, you're making a very broad and sweeping generalization about Amplector -- Fanaglia does have its industrial centers, like Kraftenberg and Carbur, but industry is hardly the center of our economy. I mean, the highest-ranking member of the Queen's advisory cabinet is her agricultural adviser, for God's sake. And a nation with as strong of an agricultural sector as mine, especially at this period in time, would certainly have plenty of large food stores.

I can only make a broad generalization when I'm defining "pretty well". When you compare them to the other middle eastern nations around them, their situation isn't so bad. I mean yeah they're isolated, but they're certainly growing better than North Korea and their HDI of just above 700 is not bad for a country that has dealt with war, sanctions, condemnations, accusations, and of course the isolation that goes with those things. Basically, I can honestly say that for a technically isolated country, they're doing alright.

[Fanaglia]

Guys! I just had an idea and I had to post it before I went to bed (which is happening as soon as I post this).

Has anyone ever played any of the Civilization series? Well, I've only played the second one, but I did play it obsessively for a portion of my life spanning several years. I'm not sure if they did it this way in the other games, but in Civ II, they had a trade system set up for your settlements/cities that you could earn extra revenue from. Each settlement would have three or four each of items they had a surplus of and items they demanded. Then you could send a trade caravan (or freight, once you discovered the Corporation) carrying surplus from one settlement to another that demanded it. For example, say Paris has a surplus of coal, iron, and gems and demands dye, gold, and wine. Across the island where you built Paris, Calais has a surplus of gold. You could send a gold caravan from Calais to Paris and, under Paris' window, under the demands, it would still list gold, but would say (Calais) next to it because it was receiving gold from Calais. Likewise, under Calais' window, it still listed gold as a surplus item, but would have (Paris) next to it.

We could implement a similar system for Vapor, just as a way of recording who trades what with whom, because, right now, if we didn't know better, we would be assuming that the only trade partners are the ones listed in the OP and that we're all as weird and isolated as Cyprum is/should be.

2/4 are crops grown domestically and, as I said before, imports from Inesea were just supplemental and we do store plenty of food. The cost of certain foods might rise slightly, but it wouldn't be that painful. People's buying habits might change a little (buying less of this and more of that, and going without this one extra little treat), but nothing too significant. In the end, it would be far less dramatic than the affect of the rise in gas prices in the last ten years on American lives.



Define "pretty well."

Have you seen the cars they build? The Pakyan was Iran's only domestic car for a very long time and was pretty much unchanged from when it began production in 1967 until the Iranian government paid Iran Khodro (the company that built it) to stop making it because it was an "environmental hazard." Its replacement isn't much of an improvement.

How about their building construction?

Let's not even go into their typical teachings on social and scientific matters.

EDIT: I just realized I only acknowledged half your post; sorry 'bout that.

You're right -- they aren't socialist at all (not even close), but the resulting isolation is the same. Both Iran and Cyprum Xecuii are sort of acknowledged and dealt with when need be, but they're sort of like the misfit kids who prefer to be alone at recess. The other kids don't necessarily avoid them (though they often do), but they're just sort of in their own little worlds, being odd.

The closest thing I can think of to a large, successful collective society (at least one that I know a decent amount about) was Jonestown in the 1970s. It was a religious cult led by Jim Jones, a very outspoken communist. Essentially, he wanted to start a utopian, communist society that would exist in harmony with nature, with each other, and with God. He bought some land in Guyana and started Jonestown.

Things were hard at first for the people there, but once they got settled in, for many of them, it was almost the paradise they imagined to be.

Then their leader, Jim Jones, started to get really paranoid about persecution from the outside world. He convinced pretty much everyone that the best thing for them all to do would be to remove themselves from it. So they all took cyanide (many voluntary, some forced) and died (only a few managed to escape).



I do not mind, either -- frees up time for me to focus on the rest of the bazillion characters whose strings I'm pulling.



I never claimed to be entirely self-sufficient, but we can get on without Inesea without too much trouble. The United States doesn't have too much trouble maintaining a very strong agricultural and industrial sector because it has plenty of land, as does Fanaglia. Also, you're making a very broad and sweeping generalization about Amplector -- Fanaglia does have its industrial centers, like Kraftenberg and Carbur, but industry is hardly the center of our economy. I mean, the highest-ranking member of the Queen's advisory cabinet is her agricultural adviser, for God's sake. And a nation with as strong of an agricultural sector as mine, especially at this period in time, would certainly have plenty of large food stores.

I can only make a broad generalization when I'm defining "pretty well". When you compare them to the other middle eastern nations around them, their situation isn't so bad. I mean yeah they're isolated, but they're certainly growing better than North Korea and their HDI of just above 700 is not bad for a country that has dealt with war, sanctions, condemnations, accusations, and of course the isolation that goes with those things. Basically, I can honestly say that for a technically isolated country, they're doing alright.

I guess we have different ways of defining "pretty well" and "all right." Fair enough.

[Servoth]

OK. Let's go for it!

[Fanaglia]

OK, guys, the thread was getting awfully close to the 500-page cap, so I went ahead and created v.3.0

Here's the link.

Now go away.

[NERVUN]

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