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Atheists - If the Bible isn't true, why is it so remarkable?

Postby LogiChristianity » Thu Aug 02, 2012 7:27 pm

A lot of atheists act like the Bible is something that is just some random book that was dug up, but wouldn't you be convinced that Christianity was true if you realized that the Bible had amazing properties that made it unique and special and in some ways perfect?

I just think some people don't look into this. But that's okay, because here it is.

And this all comes from this link: http://www.clarifyingchristianity.com/b_proof.shtml

and this link: http://www.clarifyingchristianity.com/science.shtml

For one thing, the Bible mentions dinosaurs before we even knew they existed actually.
Dinosaurs are referred to in several Bible books. The book of Job describes two dinosaurs. One is described in chapter 40 starting at verse 15, and the other in chapter 41 starting at verse 1. We think you will agree that 1½ chapters about dinosaurs is a lot—since most people do not even realize that they are mentioned in the Bible.


Also, the Bible was accurate about astronomy.
The Bible frequently refers to the great number of stars in the heavens. Here are two examples.

Genesis 22:17
Blessing I will bless you, and multiplying I will multiply your descendants as the stars of the heaven and as the sand which is on the seashore; and your descendants shall possess the gate of their enemies.

Jeremiah 33:22
“As the host of heaven cannot be numbered, nor the sand of the sea measured, so will I multiply the descendants of David My servant and the Levites who minister to Me.”
Even today, scientists admit that they do not know how many stars there are. Only about 3,000 can be seen with the naked eye. We have seen estimates of 1021 stars—which is a lot of stars.[2] (The number of grains of sand on the earth’s seashores is estimated to be 1025. As scientists discover more stars, wouldn’t it be interesting to discover that these two numbers match?)


Also, it was able to predict the future!
One of the strongest arguments for the accuracy of the Bible is its 100% accuracy in predicting the future. These future predictions are called “prophecies.” The Old Testament was written between approximately 1450 BC and 430 BC. During that time, many predictions of the future were recorded in the Bible by God’s prophets. Of the events that were to have taken place by now, every one happened just the way they predicted it would. No other “sacred writing” has such perfectly accurate predictions of the future.


Plus, there is textual evidence!
Over 20,000 known manuscripts document the New Testament text. This makes the New Testament the most reliable document of antiquity (a document written before the printing press). These manuscripts vary in size from a part of a page to an entire Bible (Old and New Testaments). The earliest New Testament manuscripts date from the second century (100-199) AD These manuscript copies were written in different languages by people of different nationalities, cultures, and backgrounds. In spite of all those differences between them, the New Testament texts all agree.


Also, people didn't at the time refute these words.
Special proof exists for the New Testament, since Christians were strongly persecuted by both the Jews and the Roman government. If the New Testament writings were false, these two groups would have produced a great deal of evidence to stop the growth of this “sect.” None exists. Further, the New Testament writings (before they were assembled into the “book” we call the New Testament) circulated during the lifetimes of thousands of people who had actually seen Jesus’ miracles and other historic events. No one ever refuted the New Testament writings as “fairy tales.”


So, atheists and other non-Christians, how do you explain these? Coincidences? I think not.
Get it? Logic + Christianity = Logichristianity = Jesus = Salvation = Heaven = God = Oneness.

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Postby New Sapienta » Thu Aug 02, 2012 7:28 pm

Exactly what did it predict.

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Postby Madoka Kaname » Thu Aug 02, 2012 7:29 pm

Christians, if Twilight isn't true, why is it so remarkable?
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Postby LogiChristianity » Thu Aug 02, 2012 7:30 pm

New Sapienta wrote:Exactly what did it predict.


It predicted perfectly everything Jesus Christ did, for one thing.
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Postby Samuraikoku » Thu Aug 02, 2012 7:31 pm

Madoka Kaname wrote:Christians, if Twilight isn't true, why is it so remarkable?


Overexposure to the public?

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Postby New Sapienta » Thu Aug 02, 2012 7:31 pm

LogiChristianity wrote:
New Sapienta wrote:Exactly what did it predict.


It predicted perfectly everything Jesus Christ did, for one thing.

Hahaha, wow.

Prove he existed.

Oh and the Bible was made after Jesus was born.

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Postby Avenio » Thu Aug 02, 2012 7:31 pm

Leviathan was described in Hebrew as a fish, the number of stars in the sky was supposed to be poetry, not exact terminology, the Bible is just one of many ancient documents we have, and the Romans were simply not interested in the backwater province of Judaea, and hence why we don't have anything contemporaneous to the events written by the Romans.
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Postby LogiChristianity » Thu Aug 02, 2012 7:32 pm

Madoka Kaname wrote:Christians, if Twilight isn't true, why is it so remarkable?


Twilight is a silly fairy tale with silly monsters. :palm:

Don't compare it to the Holy Bible.
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Postby Silent Majority » Thu Aug 02, 2012 7:32 pm

The Bible frequently refers to the great number of stars in the heavens. Here are two examples.

Genesis 22:17
Blessing I will bless you, and multiplying I will multiply your descendants as the stars of the heaven and as the sand which is on the seashore; and your descendants shall possess the gate of their enemies.

Jeremiah 33:22
“As the host of heaven cannot be numbered, nor the sand of the sea measured, so will I multiply the descendants of David My servant and the Levites who minister to Me.”
Even today, scientists admit that they do not know how many stars there are. Only about 3,000 can be seen with the naked eye. We have seen estimates of 1021 stars—which is a lot of stars.[2] (The number of grains of sand on the earth’s seashores is estimated to be 1025. As scientists discover more stars, wouldn’t it be interesting to discover that these two numbers match?)


Seriously?

Anyone who is not blind can tell you there are lots of stars.
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Postby Madoka Kaname » Thu Aug 02, 2012 7:32 pm

Samuraikoku wrote:
Madoka Kaname wrote:Christians, if Twilight isn't true, why is it so remarkable?


Overexposure to the public?

Indeed.

Meanwhile, Puella Magi Madoka Magica predicted the Touhou Earthquake. Perhaps not at the same year, but predicted a supernatural disaster nonetheless.

Ergo, you should all worship Madoka Kaname, your true savior and super-cute magical girl, at your service. *nods*
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1. Drink Morning Rescue before work or school.
2. Homura-chan is your prophet.
3. Make a wish.

Don’t forget.
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Postby Retro Lyra » Thu Aug 02, 2012 7:32 pm

I am Christain, and imma call bullshit. ;)
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Retro Lyra wrote:So, does this mean that since I'm white and my boyfriend is spanish he's going to rob all my money from me, scream "Hasta la vista!", and drive off into the sunset in a stolen car? Good to know.

Any time now, Lyra. Any time. Watch your car keys.

And your weed stash.

And your bedroom door. Chances are, he'll rape you first, the Genocidal Bastard.

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Postby New Sapienta » Thu Aug 02, 2012 7:32 pm

LogiChristianity wrote:
Madoka Kaname wrote:Christians, if Twilight isn't true, why is it so remarkable?


The Bible is a silly fairy tale with silly monsters. :palm:

Don't compare it to the Twilight.

Fixed

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Postby The Humanist Federation » Thu Aug 02, 2012 7:33 pm

LogiChristianity wrote:
Madoka Kaname wrote:Christians, if Twilight isn't true, why is it so remarkable?


Twilight is a silly fairy tale with silly monsters. :palm:

Don't compare it to the Holy Bible.


Both are pieces of fiction. At least Twilight hasn't caused death and scientific regression for the last 2000 years or so.

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Postby LogiChristianity » Thu Aug 02, 2012 7:33 pm

Silent Majority wrote:
The Bible frequently refers to the great number of stars in the heavens. Here are two examples.

Genesis 22:17
Blessing I will bless you, and multiplying I will multiply your descendants as the stars of the heaven and as the sand which is on the seashore; and your descendants shall possess the gate of their enemies.

Jeremiah 33:22
“As the host of heaven cannot be numbered, nor the sand of the sea measured, so will I multiply the descendants of David My servant and the Levites who minister to Me.”
Even today, scientists admit that they do not know how many stars there are. Only about 3,000 can be seen with the naked eye. We have seen estimates of 1021 stars—which is a lot of stars.[2] (The number of grains of sand on the earth’s seashores is estimated to be 1025. As scientists discover more stars, wouldn’t it be interesting to discover that these two numbers match?)


Seriously?

Anyone who is not blind can tell you there are lots of stars.


No, I've looked this up. The early astronomers thought there were only around a thousand stars.
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Postby ALMF » Thu Aug 02, 2012 7:33 pm

LogiChristianity wrote:
New Sapienta wrote:Exactly what did it predict.


It predicted perfectly everything Jesus Christ did, for one thing.

so it predicted the actions of a fictional caricter in itself. :roll:
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Postby Nadkor » Thu Aug 02, 2012 7:33 pm

The Bible must be true
Why?
Because it's so remarkable.
Why?
Because it's true, look!
So why is it true?
Because it's so remarkable.

ad infinitum
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Postby LogiChristianity » Thu Aug 02, 2012 7:34 pm

The Humanist Federation wrote:
LogiChristianity wrote:
Twilight is a silly fairy tale with silly monsters. :palm:

Don't compare it to the Holy Bible.


Both are pieces of fiction. At least Twilight hasn't caused death and scientific regression for the last 2000 years or so.


But it was actually advanced in science, as you can see in the OP.
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Postby Retro Lyra » Thu Aug 02, 2012 7:34 pm

The Humanist Federation wrote:
LogiChristianity wrote:
Twilight is a silly fairy tale with silly monsters. :palm:

Don't compare it to the Holy Bible.


Both are pieces of fiction. At least Twilight hasn't caused death and scientific regression for the last 2000 years or so.


While I diagree with it being fiction, the entire reason it's called a faith is because you have to have faith in it. There's no way to prove that it is true.
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Retro Lyra wrote:So, does this mean that since I'm white and my boyfriend is spanish he's going to rob all my money from me, scream "Hasta la vista!", and drive off into the sunset in a stolen car? Good to know.

Any time now, Lyra. Any time. Watch your car keys.

And your weed stash.

And your bedroom door. Chances are, he'll rape you first, the Genocidal Bastard.

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Postby Veladio » Thu Aug 02, 2012 7:34 pm

LogiChristianity wrote:
New Sapienta wrote:Exactly what did it predict.


It predicted perfectly everything Jesus Christ did, for one thing.

Prove the miracles happened.
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Postby Madoka Kaname » Thu Aug 02, 2012 7:34 pm

LogiChristianity wrote:
Madoka Kaname wrote:Christians, if Twilight isn't true, why is it so remarkable?


Twilight is a silly fairy tale with silly monsters. :palm:

Don't compare it to the Holy Bible.

Hello Karinzistan, we meet again. :<

Also your textual evidence is without a sauce.
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Postby LogiChristianity » Thu Aug 02, 2012 7:34 pm

ALMF wrote:
LogiChristianity wrote:
It predicted perfectly everything Jesus Christ did, for one thing.

so it predicted the actions of a fictional caricter in itself. :roll:


Can you prove Jesus was fictional?
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Postby Newaswa » Thu Aug 02, 2012 7:35 pm

So because a book is remarkable,that means it's true?Then Lord of the Rings is true because it's so remarkable.

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Postby Silent Majority » Thu Aug 02, 2012 7:35 pm

LogiChristianity wrote:
Silent Majority wrote:
Seriously?

Anyone who is not blind can tell you there are lots of stars.


No, I've looked this up. The early astronomers thought there were only around a thousand stars.



But still too many to really count, which is basically what the bible is saying.
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Postby New Sapienta » Thu Aug 02, 2012 7:35 pm

LogiChristianity wrote:
ALMF wrote:so it predicted the actions of a fictional caricter in itself. :roll:


Can you prove Jesus was fictional?

You have to prove he existed, you have made the claim.

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Postby Ankoku Satsui no Hadou Samurai » Thu Aug 02, 2012 7:35 pm

Madoka Kaname wrote:
Samuraikoku wrote:
Overexposure to the public?

Indeed.

Meanwhile, Puella Magi Madoka Magica predicted the Touhou Earthquake. Perhaps not at the same year, but predicted a supernatural disaster nonetheless.

Ergo, you should all worship Madoka Kaname, your true savior and super-cute magical girl, at your service. *nods*


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