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The United Defenders League

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INTRODUCING THE UNITED DEFENDERS LEAGUE...




~ OUR MISSION ~

WE THE ARCHERS-ERRANT OF NATIONSTATES pursue native freedom and justice for its regional communities. Loyal and unswerving to its noble cause, we defend the native will from those who threaten its independence. A body of moral agents whose judgment is not corrupted by the collective interests of contributing regions but instead, governed by a higher body of intransient defender law. The United Defenders League emerges from the clouds of the interregional conscience –circling in anticipation of regional foray.

~ OUR ORGANIZATION ~

The United Defenders League is an idealistic defender organization managed at the individual as opposed to the superregional or regional level. What does this mean? It means as a defender organization we are not established formally as a defense pact between member-regions, nor are we any specific region’s military, but instead, we are a group of defenders uniting to pursue a shared cause to defend regions and secure justice and security in NationStates. Although historically, defender organizations have generally been superregional or regional, the United Defenders League is distinctly individual for several reasons: (1) Without member-region’s specific interests entangled with the decision-making of the United Defenders League, what is right and just is more clearly attainable without the moral murkiness of self-interest, (2) In a superregional organization, members are allied with the United Defenders League by regional affiliation and may not actively support defenderism – this bloats an organization with members who have no interest in, nor sympathy for defending, (3) Security pacts are essentially rendered valueless with defender idealism – in practical defenderism, the internal security of a region is partially tied to the military might and influence of its interregional allies, but defender idealists will intervene without the need of a ‘pact’ or any mutual interests. Therefore an idealistic defender superregional organization would be offering security to regions that they would receive anyway, which is basically short-changing member-regions.

~ OUR LEADERSHIP ~










~ OUR PURVIEW ~

The purview of the United Defenders League is comprehensive and non-conventional. It is our belief that defending has narrowly focused on a specific type of retaliatory military measures against raiders – which, whilst necessary, is a limited purview that does not address many other wrongdoings and injustices across NationStates. By widening our purview, we hope to promote the idea that war, invasions, coups and destabilization are not always needed nor necessarily right, but instead such measures are an unfortunate last resort. Furthermore, we aim to reconnect defenderism with NationStates natives, to earn their trust and their respect and be –hopefully—recognized as a benevolent body of people that are here to assist natives with the security, protection and promotion of native sovereignty in their regions at their request.

~ CORNERSTONES OF OUR PURVIEW ~

    (1) STANDARD MILITARY OPERATIONS
    Obviously, the United Defenders League will conduct the same fundamental combat operations that all defending organizations actuate. ‘Defending and liberating regions from the foreign forces that maliciously deny the right of natives to administrate their own regions’ is the main objective of all proper defender organizations and this is true of the United Defenders League too. Intelligence both internally and externally also falls under the banner of standard operations. Internal Intelligence is understandably very important to the United Defenders League, because members need not apply with certain regional referrals or backgrounds that are required with superregional defense organizations.

    (2) PEACE OPERATIONS
    New to defending, the United Defenders League will be a frontrunner of peace operations. Peace operations include: (a) Peacemaking. Mediators and diplomats will be deployed with the approval of both of the involved regional or organizational parties, to reframe parties’ positions and act as a mediatory buffer to maintain the civility, decorum and productiveness of disputes with the objective of conflict resolution emphasized, (b) Peacekeeping. Our military analysts and experts will observe and report on the security of regions and their compliance to any recent peace agreements, with the approval of the relevant parties. The aim is to fulfill the duties of a confidence-building neutral buffer between parties that still remain hostile with one another. (c) Peace Enforcement. In difficult situations where two or more parties have declared war, the United Defenders League may deem that the act of war was contrary to the principles of just cause or lacking the right to engage in war (e.g., illegitimate authority declares war, a war of aggression with no aim to prevent further conflict or insecurity). In such cases, the United Defenders League may deploy troops to defend regions from aggressive acts of war with the approval of the parties that are defending against the conflict’s aggressors. (d) Peacebuilding. To prevent a return in a region to a state of war or instability, our helpful military experts are always friendly and willing to advise regions on how to develop their region’s security at the request of native governments.

    (3) PERMANENT MISSION TO THE WORLD ASSEMBLY SECURITY COUNCIL
    The United Defenders League offers perhaps some of the most qualified author(s) in NationStates for consultation, assistance and outsourcing regarding projects for the World Assembly Security Council. The United Defenders League intends to be active with the Security Council, because it is our belief that the Security Council is an ally of those who wish to preserve interregional peace and goodwill. Natives in need of emergency liberations, condemnations, liberation repeals and retirements are encouraged to contact the United Defenders League, we can offer assistance in writing, campaigning and submitting said proposal and perhaps more. If you're interested, you can request for advise or assistance in the Security Council here.

    (4) SECURITY PROVISIONS
    Regions may apply for security programs which are established by contract. (a) Service Contracts will offer security services in return for advertising or more unique forms of compensation. Security services will often include daily or bi-daily monitoring and reporting regarding imminent challenges to the delegacy and inhabitants’ compliance to regional endorsement caps. (b) Gratuitous Service Contracts will offer the same services as service contracts, only done without any legal obligation for the involved party to compensate the United Defenders League for its services. (c) Aleatory Contracts obligate the United Defenders League to defend or liberate a signatory in the event of an illegitimate challenge to the established delegacy. Aleatory contracts will often include a best-efforts clause and will not be available to non-democratic regional governments. Aleatory Contracts are most beneficial for feeder governments seeking protection because they are –above of all other regions – most likely to be seen as otherwise ‘indefensible’ for reasons of unclear native authority (periods of inactive or transitory leadership are the most likely occasions for a coup) and feeder-gameplay culture.

    (5) REGION RESTORATION
    In the advent of an emerging new raiding methodology, ‘blitzkrieg spamming’, it is clear that the restoration of regions from vandalism and the consequences of illegitimate administrative decisions is greatly necessitated. Region restoration includes relatively new practices such as the suppression of raider spam on regional message boards and measures to revert raider delegate decisions like the addition or removal of regional tags, the withdrawal of embassies and the cancelling of embassy closures. But region restorations also include traditional practices such as ‘de-tagging’ (removing raider spam from world factbook entries), unbanning those banned by raiders and the forceful removal of raiders or ‘raider sleepers’ (puppets of raiders intended for future raids).

    (6) ELECTION SERVICES
    It is the belief of the United Defenders League that democratic governments better represent the will of the native community and thus advance native sovereignty more so than autocratic governments – but the United Defenders League also recognizes that native sovereignty includes the self-determination of regional political culture. Therefore, the United Defenders League will not actively commit to ‘forced democratization’ missions, but will offer its services in managing or contributing to election processes and preventing voter fraud and manipulation. If called upon for assistance in managing an election, The United Defenders League’s experts will consult regional or superregional governments and design an election system tailored to the specifications of the government and the special demands of the region or organization. Election systems can be run on forums or in-game, secret or open ballot, preferential or plurality and various other specifications to cater to what is most appropriate for the region or organization. Furthermore, the United Defenders League can monitor in-game elections (e.g., endorsement challenge systems) and – provided IP information – can monitor forum-operated elections to detect and report voter fraud and manipulation. If you're not interested in having your elections managed by us, but are interested in having your region polled by the United Defenders League, to add to the fun of elections, we also have a professional system designed for electorate polling which can be conducted on regions as large as a feeder. For any of these services, contact Unibot II.

    (7) OTHER GOOD DEEDS
    Our organization believes any little deed around NationStates that helps natives be natives is worthwhile, we have no problem with helping a larger region contact its members for example or just offer advice. If you're curious if the United Defenders League will help your region do something to develop itself, just ask us.

~ PARTICIPATION ~


There are three overarching ways in which you can participate further in the United Defenders League, (1) You can apply to become a Member, as a member you can actively defend and liberate regions, recruit new defenders and act as a diplomat on behalf of our institution, (2) You can apply as a Herald, which is essentially a diplomat. The United Defenders League establishes treaties with regions, customizable to what regions wish, these treaties may request allowances for posting on Regional Message Boards, World Factbook Entry advertisements or simply an exchange of updates. Because of the rules of NationStates, recruitment for individual-led organizations are limited basically to word-of-mouth outside of feeders, therefore all offerings of World Factbook Entry and Regional Message Board space is highly appreciated but not necessary for relations, and basically is charity for a good cause (*ALL REQUESTS FOR TREATIES ARE TO BE MADE HERE*), (3) You can apply as a Member of our Militia, so you can be contacted to assist if unusually large numbers are needed for a liberation of a region.

If none of these options suit you, and you wish to merely remain as an observer of our public forum, please follow this link and post a simple "welcome" thread for yourself and you will be masked as an observer shortly.

ADDITIONALLY: If you are a defender from a different military organization than the United Defenders League (e.g., TITO, FRA, E-Army) and wish to have access to the operational sector of our forums without becoming a member, please apply for Military Liaison masking.

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Postby Fischistan » Wed Jun 06, 2012 1:11 pm

Yay first!

Did you have to re-create all the code for this post since the old thread was locked, or did Sedge telegram you the code for it?
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Wed Jun 06, 2012 1:20 pm

Fischistan wrote:Yay first!

Did you have to re-create all the code for this post since the old thread was locked, or did Sedge telegram you the code for it?


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Postby Cerian Quilor » Wed Jun 06, 2012 3:40 pm

Question: Does this

(c) Peace Enforcement. In difficult situations where two or more parties have declared war, the United Defenders League may deem that the act of war was contrary to the principles of just cause or lacking the right to engage in war (e.g., illegitimate authority declares war, a war of aggression with no aim to prevent further conflict or insecurity). In such cases, the United Defenders League may deploy troops to defend regions from aggressive acts of war with the approval of the parties that are defending against the conflict’s aggressors.


mean the UDL has decided to play the role of Global Police now?
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Cerian Quilor wrote:Question: Does this

(c) Peace Enforcement. In difficult situations where two or more parties have declared war, the United Defenders League may deem that the act of war was contrary to the principles of just cause or lacking the right to engage in war (e.g., illegitimate authority declares war, a war of aggression with no aim to prevent further conflict or insecurity). In such cases, the United Defenders League may deploy troops to defend regions from aggressive acts of war with the approval of the parties that are defending against the conflict’s aggressors.


mean the UDL has decided to play the role of Global Police now?

We defend. It's been that way for a while, actually.
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Fischistan wrote:
Cerian Quilor wrote:Question: Does this



mean the UDL has decided to play the role of Global Police now?

We defend. It's been that way for a while, actually.

if he just meant regular old defenderism, logically (something alien to him, I know), he wouldn't have made it a seperate section from regular defending.
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Postby Fischistan » Wed Jun 06, 2012 4:05 pm

Cerian Quilor wrote:
Fischistan wrote:We defend. It's been that way for a while, actually.

if he just meant regular old defenderism, logically (something alien to him, I know), he wouldn't have made it a seperate section from regular defending.

Flamebaiting people is not nice.

And I'd rather be the world-police rather than the world-sandcastle kickers.
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Postby Unibot II » Wed Jun 06, 2012 4:11 pm

Cerian Quilor wrote:Question: Does this

(c) Peace Enforcement. In difficult situations where two or more parties have declared war, the United Defenders League may deem that the act of war was contrary to the principles of just cause or lacking the right to engage in war (e.g., illegitimate authority declares war, a war of aggression with no aim to prevent further conflict or insecurity). In such cases, the United Defenders League may deploy troops to defend regions from aggressive acts of war with the approval of the parties that are defending against the conflict’s aggressors.


mean the UDL has decided to play the role of Global Police now?


War has always been a difficult subject with defenders since the line behind unjustified and justified invasion is blurry; raids are essentially unjustified invasions. That statement is saying that we hold the right to treat some "wars" basically like how we treat raids. For example, there are some so-called fascist v. communist conflicts involving Antifa and the Red Army and whatnot where we've had to invoke this principle even though one side usually tries to claim it is "above" the R/D game.
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A Keynote Address from the Capitalis de Societate of The United Defenders League,

COME JOIN OUR ANNIVERSARY FESTIVITIES!!

As of today it’s been *one* whole year since I began The United Defenders League; we’ve had highs and we’ve had lows, but thankfully The United Defenders League still stands, true and tall.

It all started about a year ago today when I decided after much deliberation that I wanted to make a new defender organization – one comprised of individuals who shared a common goal and body of principles, to protect native communities and the native will. In the backdrop of the creation of the organization was the South Pacific crisis, which demonstrated how obstructed, defenders were from doing what they thought was right when the political interests of the few got in the way of an otherwise functional defender organization.

When I was looking for a theme for the organization, I was stuck for quite a while – I knew it had to be medieval since my inspiration for the “ideal defender” that came to me was based on the Book of Chivalry, a medieval instructional document for fledgling knights. I was going to go with a King Arthur and the Round table theme, but of course I remembered that TITO’s officers were “knights”, so I spent days thinking of a theme. One day at work, I was driving down a street and noticed the name of the street, Sherwood St. and… there it was, Unibot and his merrymen!

With the theme in mind, I gave the concept for a symbol to Milograd and he designed several prototypes. The final version was a combination of the symbol for Kodaira, Tokyo and four arrows. My instructions to him were: make it epic, and I believe that he delivered just that.

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Another great moment for the organization was when I met Eluvatar – he joined our organization, as far as I know, because I cashed in a favor he owed from when I helped him refound Taijitu. He’s been here from the start of the organization really and I believe he had a lot to do with the dream of a new defender organization being realized.

My original crew was a ragtag bunch of roleplayers and friends that a lot of people were highly critical of, but eventually they grew into soldiers. We did detags through the summer and it wasn’t until a stint of major liberations during September when we really had a “breakthrough” if you will; that was when we started to get really noticed and placed in the same category as the established defender organizations.

It’s really hard to imagine how much has happened in one year and how far we’ve come as an organization, but before I get too caught up in the past, I also want to imagine where The United Defenders League goes from here and for that, I have some lovely dreams, plans and aspirations. For everyone who has stood beside me and helped me get this organization to where it is today, thank you sincerely.

Now... with all this blabbing done, The United Defenders League invites you all to join in on the festivities; with have various activities (dragon slaying, jousting, heraldry etc.), gift-giving, spammy feasts and jolly discourse! The festivities run from June 7 to June 13.

Justice Will Not Be Abandoned,
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Postby Cerian Quilor » Wed Jun 06, 2012 7:10 pm

Unibot II wrote:
Cerian Quilor wrote:Question: Does this



mean the UDL has decided to play the role of Global Police now?


War has always been a difficult subject with defenders since the line behind unjustified and justified invasion is blurry; raids are essentially unjustified invasions. That statement is saying that we hold the right to treat some "wars" basically like how we treat raids. For example, there are some so-called fascist v. communist conflicts involving Antifa and the Red Army and whatnot where we've had to invoke this principle even though one side usually tries to claim it is "above" the R/D game.

I see.

Now, what is the UDL's official statement on why it suddently has the right to make that judgement call? I understand that they obviously think they have that kind of right - or else you wouldn't be saying you do. But how do you try and justify such a broad ungranted mandate?
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Postby Fischistan » Wed Jun 06, 2012 7:33 pm

Cerian Quilor wrote:
Unibot II wrote:
War has always been a difficult subject with defenders since the line behind unjustified and justified invasion is blurry; raids are essentially unjustified invasions. That statement is saying that we hold the right to treat some "wars" basically like how we treat raids. For example, there are some so-called fascist v. communist conflicts involving Antifa and the Red Army and whatnot where we've had to invoke this principle even though one side usually tries to claim it is "above" the R/D game.

I see.

Now, what is the UDL's official statement on why it suddently has the right to make that judgement call? I understand that they obviously think they have that kind of right - or else you wouldn't be saying you do. But how do you try and justify such a broad ungranted mandate?

How do you justify your broad mission to attack founderless regions?
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Postby Solm » Wed Jun 06, 2012 7:40 pm

After digging around my logs, I found out the date I was recruited to join the UDL... which just happens to be exactly one year ago (8:48pm on 6/6/11). I remember screaming, "OMG UNIBOT IS PMING ME! PMING ME!" He was quite the celebrity for RPers :P

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Postby Cerian Quilor » Wed Jun 06, 2012 7:43 pm

We don't try to. We don't go around claiming the moral high ground where none exists. We aren't making 'judgement calls'. Stay on topic, Fish.

This question is in specific to where the UDL is drawing lines where they'll essentially treat regular wars the way they do raids. In specific to what I specifically quoted.

I'm not quibbling with your right to do it. The UDL's right to do anything extends as far as its power. But the UDL has always cloaked everything it says and does in high-minded, usually hyperbolic, and high-ground claiming language.

what I was wondering is what such language it intended to use to dress up its right to make that judgement call.
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Postby Milograd » Wed Jun 06, 2012 8:40 pm

Unibot II wrote:My original crew was a ragtag bunch of roleplayers...

We did what we had to do, and we did it quite well. :p
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Postby Unibot II » Thu Jun 07, 2012 5:54 pm

Cerian Quilor wrote:We don't try to. We don't go around claiming the moral high ground where none exists. We aren't making 'judgement calls'. Stay on topic, Fish.

This question is in specific to where the UDL is drawing lines where they'll essentially treat regular wars the way they do raids. In specific to what I specifically quoted.

I'm not quibbling with your right to do it. The UDL's right to do anything extends as far as its power. But the UDL has always cloaked everything it says and does in high-minded, usually hyperbolic, and high-ground claiming language.

what I was wondering is what such language it intended to use to dress up its right to make that judgement call.


What we're saying is not "dressing up anything", our policy is to not be circumvented by those who are trying to "dress up" a 'raid' as a 'war'. I appreciate your steadfast commitment to the truth and the upheaval of deception; we shared those principles with you when we designed the aforementioned policies.
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Postby Cerian Quilor » Thu Jun 07, 2012 6:58 pm

Well, obviously you don't want to call it dressing up (either because you actually believe your rhetoric, or because you are following the rules of propaganda)

But you still have to make the judgement call between 'war' and 'raiding'. Or else you wouldn't need to make the distinction and you'd still be around blocking all raids, war or not.

Since that particular line of questioning hasn't worked, let me ask you this: How exactly can you make that judgement call? What criterion would you use?
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Postby Unibot II » Thu Jun 07, 2012 7:35 pm

Cerian Quilor wrote:Since that particular line of questioning hasn't worked, let me ask you this: How exactly can you make that judgement call? What criterion would you use?


Well if a 'war' is mutual, that's an easy call to make it -- it's a war.

Most wars in NationStates are in fact mutual ... both sides say they're at war.

In the event that one says they're not at war and the other is acting as an aggressor, we'll balance the probabilities; Jus Ad Bellum thought suggests proportional defense of one's self or others and, potentially humanitarian causes are the only real justifications for war. Unjustified invasions are treated as raids, justified invasions are watched closely
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Postby Cerian Quilor » Thu Jun 07, 2012 8:00 pm

I suspect we'll never see eye to eye on this, but fair enough.

Thank you for elaborating.
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Cerian Quilor wrote:I suspect we'll never see eye to eye on this, but fair enough.

Thank you for elaborating.


Thanks for asking. :)
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Postby Kikomunisti » Fri Jun 08, 2012 8:42 am

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Cerian Quilor wrote:Question: Does this



mean the UDL has decided to play the role of Global Police now?


War has always been a difficult subject with defenders since the line behind unjustified and justified invasion is blurry; raids are essentially unjustified invasions. That statement is saying that we hold the right to treat some "wars" basically like how we treat raids. For example, there are some so-called fascist v. communist conflicts involving Antifa and the Red Army and whatnot where we've had to invoke this principle even though one side usually tries to claim it is "above" the R/D game.


It's The Red Fleet. And also, is this just essentially an adjustment to your remit so you can better justify your confrontations with us (and others this may involve)?
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A Letter from the Capitalis De Societate of The United Defenders League,

It’s been a fun week here at The United Defenders League. With June 13 upon us, the festivities to celebrate our organization’s first anniversary have now wrapped up and have been archived. I’m honoured that The United Defenders League has become such a successful defender organization and in my keynote address to the Festivities I discussed some of the fun history behind The United Defenders League (such as how we got our symbol!).

During the festivities, players ate chicken and partied in the Great Hall (which was later invaded by the Dutch Disease – RARRRH) and bought swords, shields, armor, clothing and wizardry supplies at the marketplace which can be worn as a badge on customer’s forum accounts.

The Robes of the Underworld was the most popular item bought, probably because it looks awesome:

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GRRRR, I ONLY HAVE FOUR TEETH, GRRRR.


In another part of the festivities, we bet on who would be the next poster (because UDLers seem to be big gamblers?), Kogvuron won that easily by tens of thousands. In a jousting tournament, Solm defeated me! Fischistan defeated Tim-Opolis and Camwood, looking like the champion until Almaniania (“The Champion of the Walrus”) defeated him after a long fought after battle.

During last week, The Black Hawks raided Capitalist Paradise; immediately, The United Defenders League staff launched a telegram campaign to inform natives and prompt them of an action plan: (1) remain calm, (2) unendorse the raider delegate, (3) endorse former native delegate. The administration of Capitalist Paradise quickly got involved with The United Defenders League becoming military liaisons on our forums. I have to honour the administration of Capitalist Paradise; I’ve been a defender for a while now and seen some regions who hardly put effort into getting their region back; but Afforess and Ad Vitam Adsum were in communication with us all day, telegrammed their community and help us organize a liberation. Ad Vitam Adsum also showed great leadership when he wrote an apology and condemnation of prior behavior to 10000 Islands in response to the griefing of Urbanites by Capitalist Paradise. In another week or so, Ad Vitam Adsum is expected to release the full post-liberation policy plan for Capitalist Paradise – talks of new recruitment, endorsements caps and a new regional army has already stirred up lots of discussion on the Capitalist Paradise Regional Message Board.

Unfortunately, The United Defenders League was not able to help Capitalist Paradise further, but The Black Hawks, threatened with the possibility of a liberation, placed a password on the region to avoid confrontation and then left the region shortly after. The incident was the spark to a firestorm of proposals to change the game’s code; influence, WA delegacy changes and much more have been suggested to be changed (you can find these proposals in Technical).

As for other military action: it’s been a slow week but we had a fun liberation in the Blood Cave against Lone Wolves United and Bacon Strips, a liberation in the Dictatorship Government Alliance against The Internationale where we hid and used Marxist flags to avoid being banned and ejected – we’re now being called “The Unprincipled Dictatorship Lovers” by The Internationale apparently to my amusement. We’ve had defences in Americano States against the Greater German Reich (with the FRA) and a defence of Nations of Christendom. We’ve been running detags and restoration missions all month and just arranged a failed attempt to liberate South America.

Now, for some fun news: CONGRATULATIONS to Fischistan and Ravania for their appointment as Lieutenants. We’ve needed a few more good men to serve as officers during updates; Fischistan is a regular recipient of UDL’s Liberator of the Month and Most Defences of the Month and regarded as one of the promising new stars in the game, Ravania is our lead Detagger and all around shining talent; both show considerable talent, expertise and a willingness to lead and organize. I wish them both good defending in the coming months.

We’re also very proud to announce our new recruits this month, including Romanoffia (Executive Councillor and recent runner-up for Delegate in The North Pacific), East Weidmanland, Alyekra (who has been kicking butt with Solm! Keep it up!), Druach and Anacasppia of Democratium, Cowardly Pacifists (Vice Minister of Foreign Affairs of Social Liberal Union and renowned WA Author!), Great Nepal (you may remember as the recipient of SC#24’s condemnation), Brituarion from Democratic Socialist Assembly, Vitius, ZackStein, Alec W. G. Stuart and Vibhor O'Connor from United Kingdom and Bergnovinaia (recipient of SC#39’s commendation)!!

Although we’re getting a few new Lieutenants, we’re also VERY VERY excited to welcome Mahaj back to the battlefield. Mahaj has been taking the past few months off of active combat to serve as Osiris’s Kai Repat.

Well, I think that’s everything. Wait, do you want to bring back movie night? I want to do a movie night. Hhhm. Yes, let’s do a movie night.

July 23 8:00 PM EDT, we’ll watch Pirates of the Caribbean in the UDL IRC channel (#udl on Espernet). The channel will be made public for everyone; defenders, raiders, neutrals.

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Postby Neragua » Sat Jun 16, 2012 5:55 pm

Any chance of throwing some defending South America's way? :)
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Postby Fischistan » Sat Jun 16, 2012 6:50 pm

Neragua wrote:Any chance of throwing some defending South America's way? :)

We made an attempt today, but we were unsuccessful. :(

And a huge congratulations to Ravania on becoming a lieutenant! I know for a fact that you will do great. :)
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Postby Mallorea and Riva » Sat Jun 16, 2012 9:39 pm

Unibot II wrote:Unfortunately, The United Defenders League was not able to help Capitalist Paradise further, but The Black Hawks, threatened with the possibility of a liberation, placed a password on the region to avoid confrontation and then left the region shortly after.

Don't know where you got that from. We waited until Friday night, nothing happened. Maybe next time drop us a line and let us know you need another day.

Unibot II wrote:Now, for some fun news: CONGRATULATIONS to Fischistan and Ravania for their appointment as Lieutenants. We’ve needed a few more good men to serve as officers during updates; Fischistan is a regular recipient of UDL’s Liberator of the Month and Most Defences of the Month and regarded as one of the promising new stars in the game...
Although we’re getting a few new Lieutenants, we’re also VERY VERY excited to welcome Mahaj back to the battlefield. Mahaj has been taking the past few months off of active combat to serve as Osiris’s Kai Repat.

About time to both of those. It'll be good to see Mahaj out and about in his tights.
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Postby Fischistan » Sun Jun 17, 2012 7:24 am

Mallorea and Riva wrote:
Unibot II wrote:Unfortunately, The United Defenders League was not able to help Capitalist Paradise further, but The Black Hawks, threatened with the possibility of a liberation, placed a password on the region to avoid confrontation and then left the region shortly after.

Don't know where you got that from. We waited until Friday night, nothing happened. Maybe next time drop us a line and let us know you need another day.

What about the intel you always brag about? Were your supposed spies out sick that week?
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