Domestic GRIDIRON / AMERICAN FOOTBALL Discussion Thread! OOC

[Free South Califas]

Yesopalitha dijo:

Throwing in the fact that I currently have three nations with Gridiron Leagues, so if you do get something running, I'd be totally in!
We need a discussion thread... or we need to convert this into the discussion thread and start a new newswire thread.

Never let it be said that I won't pick up a political football. The International Domestic American Football Newswire fell into inactivity for a brief period, and has recently been the focus of renewed interest. It is starting to get swamped with discussion posts, just as the NS gridiron community is getting more serious about a champions' bowl. It needs a release valve, so here it is. Discuss NS gridiron here, no RP necessary but I won't call the cops if you have a newspaper, or anything.

[Ko-oren]

If the 38 matches thing refers to me: I don't know anything about Gridiron/American Football. I'm used to football/soccer: where 30-38 league matches are standard and that's not even taking into account cups and CL/EL matches. (I also don't know anything about baseball, basketball or ice hockey, that's something you get as a European)

[Free South Califas]

There are many top basketball and hockey leagues in Europe though, bit of a broad brush there?

[Ko-oren]

Well football is the main sport here (that is, this country), followed by for instance tennis, field hockey and korfbal. Basketball is small here, baseball is very small here (although we're world champions) and ice hockey is tiny. American football only has a few teams nationwide.

[Free South Califas]

Just in case you were curious about how it works out in real life, the American gridiron season is 16 games plus 1-4 playoff games for the top teams, and that is criminally wrong. I'm not being hyperbolic, I would issue arrest warrants for the NFL owners for labor abuse and deliberately fostering a dangerous work environment if it were in my power. They're going to extend it to 18 games I wonder how many more have to die...

[Ko-oren]

I read something about the system of two leagues with four subleagues each where you play the rest of your subleague first, than some other subleague, then another and so on... But I never realized that that would only be 16 games. Ok, I'll make something more realistic next season around. Just assume that this season then played over two years or something... I'll RP around that. Thanks for the explanation!

[The Fanboyists]

Yeah, speaking as someone who had limited playing time on a team that only had a ten-game season, American football seasons are exhausting. While I personally don't think the current NFL set-up is a particularly bad one, even for the players, it's rough, and the only reason it can be done is that the people playing are in peak physical condition and are paid pretty well in most cases (not always, though) to be doing it. The impacts do tend to take a toll on one's body, though, which is why you almost never see American football players older than about 38 or 40 at the outside.

As it is, the injury rate for NFL players is 100%; people playing gridiron at a professional level are pretty much guaranteed to get injured at some point in their careers.

So what exactly was the plan for the Champs' League-type competition?

[Carmadin]

Yeah, speaking as someone who had limited playing time on a team that only had a ten-game season, American football seasons are exhausting. While I personally don't think the current NFL set-up is a particularly bad one, even for the players, it's rough, and the only reason it can be done is that the people playing are in peak physical condition and are paid pretty well in most cases (not always, though) to be doing it. The impacts do tend to take a toll on one's body, though, which is why you almost never see American football players older than about 38 or 40 at the outside.

As it is, the injury rate for NFL players is 100%; people playing gridiron at a professional level are pretty much guaranteed to get injured at some point in their careers.

So what exactly was the plan for the Champs' League-type competition?

My suggestion of a primary tournament, into which 4 teams per nation enter,and a secondary tournament 2 teams plus primary tournament losers play in.

I assume one would be hosted by me, the other by Homelands.

[New West Guiana]

Just in case you were curious about how it works out in real life, the American gridiron season is 16 games plus 1-4 playoff games for the top teams, and that is criminally wrong. I'm not being hyperbolic, I would issue arrest warrants for the NFL owners for labor abuse and deliberately fostering a dangerous work environment if it were in my power. They're going to extend it to 18 games I wonder how many more have to die...

I do hope your being sarcastic here, because really the NFL players have their own Union called the NFLPA, National Football League Players Association. And matter of fact there is no such thing a "labor abuse" in the NFL these people love the game so much that they don't care if they get hurt, but they get paid millions in doing so.

And no not all football leagues work like the NFL, matter of fact there are more than one football leagues through out the world

[Camwood]

Just in case you were curious about how it works out in real life, the American gridiron season is 16 games plus 1-4 playoff games for the top teams, and that is criminally wrong. I'm not being hyperbolic, I would issue arrest warrants for the NFL owners for labor abuse and deliberately fostering a dangerous work environment if it were in my power. They're going to extend it to 18 games I wonder how many more have to die...

You are missing the point. Yes it's a dangerous game, and if you don't like how the NFL runs the season, don't watch, don't buy jerseys. At the end f the day, players are being rightfully compensated in millions and millions of dollars. The NFL is doing as much as they can to make it safe; if your scared, stick to cheer leading.

[Yesopalitha]

No offense to Homelands Our but I dont think he has shown enough experience to host such a tourney.

[Free South Califas]

New West Guiana dijo:

I do hope your being sarcastic here

I never joke about suicide.

because really the NFL players have their own Union called the NFLPA, National Football League Players Association

Yes, I'm aware that Drew Brees and the other richest and most famous NFL players are complicit with owners in abusing their teammates for expansion of profit.

And no not all football leagues work like the NFL, matter of fact there are more than one football leagues through out the world

Fuck, when did I ever say anything as extreme as what you're implying? It was like 2 am and I shared the details about the leagues I'm most familiar with off the top of my head, since someone asked, if that's OK with you.

Camwood dijo:

You are missing the point. Yes it's a dangerous game, and if you don't like how the NFL runs the season, don't watch, don't buy jerseys.

Actually, according to my radical, idiosyncratic doctrine known as "free speech", I'm also allowed to express my opinion and my support for changes to protect player health. After being ratified by Camwood, that is.

The NFL is doing as much as they can to make it safe

I'm sorry to say this is patently and self-evidently false, NFL owners are doing as much as they can to expand their profits. You can deduce that from a basic understanding of capitalism, but even if you didn't, just look at the neurologists who have suggested simple changes and been ignored. One example is going back to leather helmets, and I don't particularly feel like doing the rest of your heavy mental lifting for you.

[Yesopalitha]

If we do get this going which OT rules will be used?

[Free South Califas]

What are the options, in terms of scorinating?

IRL, I prefer the shootout style where teams trade scoring chances from the 20 yard line (or something roughly similar).

[Camwood]

Camwood dijo:

You are missing the point. Yes it's a dangerous game, and if you don't like how the NFL runs the season, don't watch, don't buy jerseys.

Actually, according to my radical, idiosyncratic doctrine known as "free speech", I'm also allowed to express my opinion and my support for changes to protect player health. After being ratified by Camwood, that is.

The NFL is doing as much as they can to make it safe

I'm sorry to say this is patently and self-evidently false, NFL owners are doing as much as they can to expand their profits. You can deduce that from a basic understanding of capitalism, but even if you didn't, just look at the neurologists who have suggested simple changes and been ignored. One example is going back to leather helmets, and I don't particularly feel like doing the rest of your heavy mental lifting for you.

Says the person suggesting leather helmets. How about let's have no helmets because our ideas here aren't stupid enough. I wasn't aware I was the incompetent one.

[Northern Sunrise Islands]

I'm sorry to say this is patently and self-evidently false, NFL owners are doing as much as they can to expand their profits. You can deduce that from a basic understanding of capitalism, but even if you didn't, just look at the neurologists who have suggested simple changes and been ignored. One example is going back to leather helmets, and I don't particularly feel like doing the rest of your heavy mental lifting for you.

Indeed. NFL's last inovation was just adapting logos at gloves, which is kinda cool, but that's more for profits. And believe me, NFL is mostly devoted to profits. That's why we hear rumors of teams trading places everytime.

[Free South Califas]

Actually, according to my radical, idiosyncratic doctrine known as "free speech", I'm also allowed to express my opinion and my support for changes to protect player health. After being ratified by Camwood, that is.



I'm sorry to say this is patently and self-evidently false, NFL owners are doing as much as they can to expand their profits. You can deduce that from a basic understanding of capitalism, but even if you didn't, just look at the neurologists who have suggested simple changes and been ignored. One example is going back to leather helmets, and I don't particularly feel like doing the rest of your heavy mental lifting for you.

Says the person suggesting leather helmets. How about let's have no helmets because our ideas here aren't stupid enough. I wasn't aware I was the incompetent one.

You're still lacking some insight, apparently. I didn't make it up, do some Googling if you actually care. Since I suspect you won't, I'll summarize: Neurologists have called for the NFL to go back to leather helmets.

[Free South Califas]

I'm sorry to say this is patently and self-evidently false, NFL owners are doing as much as they can to expand their profits. You can deduce that from a basic understanding of capitalism, but even if you didn't, just look at the neurologists who have suggested simple changes and been ignored. One example is going back to leather helmets, and I don't particularly feel like doing the rest of your heavy mental lifting for you.

Indeed. NFL's last inovation was just adapting logos at gloves, which is kinda cool, but that's more for profits. And believe me, NFL is mostly devoted to profits. That's why we hear rumors of teams trading places everytime.

Ugh, it is disgusting how these billionaire team owners use threats to coerce cities into funding their stadiums for them. It is seriously sickening. I bet 31 out of 32 owners claim they support the free market, too

[Camwood]

Says the person suggesting leather helmets. How about let's have no helmets because our ideas here aren't stupid enough. I wasn't aware I was the incompetent one.

You're still lacking some insight, apparently. I didn't make it up, do some Googling if you actually care. Since I suspect you won't, I'll summarize: Neurologists have called for the NFL to go back to leather helmets.

I did you one up. I looked at some medical journals, searched through Google's database of scholar-written papers, and have found that roughly a 75% decrease in fatalities among NFL athletes occurred since the NFL switched to modern helmets. Also, I found that claims that the leather helmets are better came from fans and ex-players, not neurosurgeons and Ph.D's. Why don't you provide me with a link.

[New West Guiana]

Free South Califas, You must be one of those ignorant Europeans that have no clue about American sports because you have no idea how safe the NFL has made games for the players. Matter of fact you must be ignorant and now think you' know everything about the NFL. Team Owners are not "for profit" matter of fact, the NFL is the US's best example of socialism, no matter how much a team makes they must share that money with others.

The NFL has very strict rules when it comes to safety, as the New Orleans Saints have fond out recently. You really have no idea how the NFL works.

Camwood I think that Cali is just trolling.

[New West Guiana]

Ugh, it is disgusting how these billionaire team owners use threats to coerce cities into funding their stadiums for them.

What owner(s), what team, got any info to back up that outrageous claim? Plus here's a little hint not all team owners are "billionaires" over 115,000 people own the Green Bay Packers and I bet less than .00001% of the "billionaires".

[Yesopalitha]

Okay guys. If you want to discuss gridiron safety go to General. This is NSSport, and so this thread should only be used to discuss your domestic leagues, ask about how to run such a league, and discuss how we are going to run a Champions' League type tournament.
Any discussion about player safety and such, take it elsewhere. It doesn't belong here.

[Carmadin]

If we do get this going which OT rules will be used?

I will use Xkorinate, SQIS formula, IFAF overtime, with home advantage applied

[Free South Califas]

I am from California and was an NFL fan for a long time until Junior Seau's recent suicide. One San Diego neurologist has suggested modified leather helmets as these may increase flattened noses, but current helmets are a weapon that lets you transfer incredible amounts of force to someone else's brain, the cumulative effect of which is a Traumatic Brain Injury epidemic and a booming trend of football players committing suicide at very young ages in ways that leave their brain to science.

Carmadin, What does IFAF overtime mean?

[Socialist States Owen]

Okay guys. If you want to discuss gridiron safety go to General. This is NSSport, and so this thread should only be used to discuss your domestic leagues, ask about how to run such a league, and discuss how we are going to run a Champions' League type tournament.
Any discussion about player safety and such, take it elsewhere. It doesn't belong here.

^ That. What's the point of this thread if you are not discussing IC Gridiron?

Free South Califas, You must be one of those ignorant Europeans

Please don't open your post with such a foolish statement.