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On the issue of abortion, do you consider yourself pro-life or pro-choice?

Pro-life (American)
255
25%
Pro-life (non-American)
65
6%
Pro-choice (American)
391
39%
Pro-choice (non-American)
245
24%
No opinion (American)
28
3%
No opinion (non-American)
17
2%
 
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Americans Becoming More Pro-Life

Postby Christian Democrats » Wed May 23, 2012 6:44 pm

According to a new Gallup poll, more Americans consider themselves supporters of fetal rights. Today, 50 percent of Americans identify as "pro-life." Only 41 percent of Americans identify themselves as "pro-choice," a record low.

Among Republicans, support for fetal rights is 72 to 22 percent. Among independents, support is 47 to 41 percent. Among Democrats, 58 percent identify as "pro-choice" and 34 percent consider themselves "pro-life."

This historic poll comes after significant efforts by Republicans to restrict abortion at the state level since their victories in the 2010 midterm elections. Recently, Democrats have tried to label these attempts and Republican support for the Catholic Church against the Obama administration's efforts to force them to buy contraception a "war on women."

According to the new Gallup poll, however, most Americans do not want a complete ban on induced abortion. Rather, the average American believes that abortion should be "legal only under certain circumstances." Only 25 percent of Americans believe that abortion should be "legal under any circumstances." Though the poll was not specific, "certain circumstances" usually refers to legalized abortion in cases of maternal life or health, rape, incest, and fetal defects.

Each year, there are about 1.2 million induced abortions in the United States, most of which are elective.

NSG, why do you think support for the American right-to-life movement is growing?

'Pro-Choice' Americans At Record Low, Poll Finds

The percent of Americans who identify as "pro-choice" regarding legalized abortion is at a new low of 41 percent, according to a newly released Gallup poll. The figure is one percent lower than the previous all-time low registered by Gallup, which was in May 2009.

The decline appears to fall along party lines, with the percent of Republicans identifying as "pro-choice" decreasing from 28 percent last May, to 22 percent in this most recent poll. Democrats remain somewhat consistent, around 60 percent identify as pro-choice.

Pro-choice and pro-life was the language used in the Gallup poll questionnaire.

Potentially troubling for Democrats heading into the fall is the drop among voters who are registered as Independents identifying as "pro-choice." The survey found 41 percent of Independents identified as "pro-choice," while 47 percent identified as "pro-life," marking only the second time since 2001 that the number of "pro-life" Independents has outweighed the number of "pro-choice" Independents.

The reason for the shift in numbers is unclear, but the potential political implications may not actually be that great.

When polled on the question of legality, 52 percent of Americans said they believe that abortion should be legal "in certain circumstances." That number remains consistent with polling from May 2011.

Gallup found that 25 percent believe that abortion should be legal "in all cases," while 20 percent believe it should be illegal "in all cases." Those numbers are also consistent with polling from the same time last year.

Link: http://news.yahoo.com/pro-choice-americans-record-low-poll-finds-162145636--abc-news-politics.html


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Postby Farnhamia » Wed May 23, 2012 6:49 pm

That's nice. I'm not in the habit of consulting a thousand or so random citizens before having a medical procedure, because it's none of their business. Saint Augustine said, "Wrong is wrong, no matter how many people do it, and right is right, even if no one does it." People telling me what I can and can't do about birth control is wrong.
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Postby Wamitoria » Wed May 23, 2012 6:50 pm

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Postby Genivaria » Wed May 23, 2012 6:51 pm

Next thing you know Sperm cells will be considered human, which would make masturbation Genocide.

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Postby Farnhamia » Wed May 23, 2012 6:52 pm

Genivaria wrote:Next thing you know Sperm cells will be considered human, which would make masturbation Genocide.

But if they're made citizens, voting just became a lot more fun for you.
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Postby Nadkor » Wed May 23, 2012 6:52 pm

Genivaria wrote:Next thing you know Sperm cells will be considered human, which would make masturbation Genocide.


Let's not be ridiculous, that would negatively affect the sexual life of men and that's just not acceptable.

Although, you know, every sperm, etc. aside.
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Postby Auralia » Wed May 23, 2012 6:53 pm

NSG certainly isn't more pro-life.
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Postby Genivaria » Wed May 23, 2012 6:53 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Next thing you know Sperm cells will be considered human, which would make masturbation Genocide.

But if they're made citizens, voting just became a lot more fun for you.

I vote .....gimme a second.....ahhhh, 5 million for the Socialist Party by Proxy.

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Postby Auremena » Wed May 23, 2012 6:53 pm

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Postby Dakini » Wed May 23, 2012 6:54 pm

Christian Democrats wrote:Only 25 percent of Americans believe that abortion should be "legal under any circumstances." Though the poll was not specific, "certain circumstances" usually refers to legalized abortion in cases of maternal life or health, rape, incest, and fetal defects.

Certain circumstances could also mean "before a certain date". But sure, let's pretend that the only way anyone could interpret this is the anti-choice way.

Also, I'm not sure what's wrong with Gallup (or with your statements), but comparing to their poll in 2009, support for both positions has dropped by 1%.

NSG, why do you think support for the American right-to-life movement is growing?

The increased prevalence of misogyny in US politics.

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Postby The BranRiech » Wed May 23, 2012 6:54 pm

I am be Pro-Choice and will continue to be until a Fetus actually says he has rights on an Ultrasound.

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Postby Jefferson and Paul » Wed May 23, 2012 6:55 pm

Americans are waking up! :clap:
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Postby Church of Thomas Hayden » Wed May 23, 2012 6:56 pm

Farn is tack-drivin' right that its none of their (our) business, but I'm still kind of bzzharshed by the trend. It makes us look...regressive.

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Postby Farnhamia » Wed May 23, 2012 6:56 pm

Church of Thomas Hayden wrote:Farn is tack-drivin' right that its none of their (our) business, but I'm still kind of bzzharshed by the trend. It makes us look...regressive.

It is kind of annoying, yeah.
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Postby Nationstatelandsville » Wed May 23, 2012 6:56 pm

The BranRiech wrote:I am be Pro-Choice and will continue to be until a Fetus actually says he has rights on an Ultrasound.


That would be the most hilarious and horrifying thing ever.
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Postby Dakini » Wed May 23, 2012 6:57 pm

Jefferson and Paul wrote:Americans are waking up! :clap:

If by "waking up" you mean "statistically unchanged since last poll" then yes.

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Postby Christian Democrats » Wed May 23, 2012 6:57 pm

The BranRiech wrote:I am be Pro-Choice and will continue to be until a Fetus actually says he has rights on an Ultrasound.

Why not kill everyone who can't talk?
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Postby Church of Thomas Hayden » Wed May 23, 2012 6:57 pm

The BranRiech wrote:I am be Pro-Choice and will continue to be until a Fetus actually says he has rights on an Ultrasound.


I once saw an Ultrasound where the fetus was throwing the Wu Tang Clan sign.

But it seemed more blind luck than any coherent advocation for its own civil condition.

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Postby New Heathera » Wed May 23, 2012 6:58 pm

Though I personally disapprove of aborting unborn children for any reason other than medical emergency, I will defend to the death other people's decision to do so.
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Postby Farnhamia » Wed May 23, 2012 6:59 pm

Christian Democrats wrote:
The BranRiech wrote:I am be Pro-Choice and will continue to be until a Fetus actually says he has rights on an Ultrasound.

Why not kill everyone who can't talk?

Go ahead. Just give me your name and address so I can call the police. I'm not sure which fallacy that is.
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Postby Nationstatelandsville » Wed May 23, 2012 6:59 pm

Christian Democrats wrote:
The BranRiech wrote:I am be Pro-Choice and will continue to be until a Fetus actually says he has rights on an Ultrasound.

Why not kill everyone who can't talk?


Because that would imply fetuses have mouths and brains.

But that's not the point of this thread.

New Heathera wrote:Though I personally disapprove of abortion for any reason other than medical emergency, I will defend to the death other people's decision to do so.


Also, this.
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Postby Church of Thomas Hayden » Wed May 23, 2012 6:59 pm

Christian Democrats wrote:
The BranRiech wrote:I am be Pro-Choice and will continue to be until a Fetus actually says he has rights on an Ultrasound.

Why not kill everyone who can't talk?


Because some of them are ninjas.

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Postby Dakini » Wed May 23, 2012 6:59 pm

Christian Democrats wrote:
The BranRiech wrote:I am be Pro-Choice and will continue to be until a Fetus actually says he has rights on an Ultrasound.

Why not kill everyone who can't talk?

Because "can't talk" and "embryo less than 3 months old" are exactly identical. :roll:

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Postby Alaje » Wed May 23, 2012 7:00 pm

Hopefully, this trend will continue to gain monentum so we can outlaw abortion for good.
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Postby Genivaria » Wed May 23, 2012 7:01 pm

Alaje wrote:Hopefully, this trend will continue to gain monentum so we can outlaw abortion for good.

Yeah, fuck women's rights!

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