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Hiroshima and Nagasaki

Postby Erickan » Tue Apr 10, 2012 11:43 am

So in my US History class, we are studying World War Two. We have to write research papers on certain topics. My topic was the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Quite frankly, I think World War Two is super fascinating, probably my favorite war to learn about. Anyways, my class had a discussion on the morality (if you will) of this decision by the US to drop two atomic bombs on Japan.

Although it killed hundreds of thousands of Japanese civilians, I argued that this was the right decision, it ended the war because it spared US lives. If the US would of had to invade Japan, I believe many more people would have died. It's sad so many died, the destruction was horrific. Please understand I am not trying to ruffle any feathers, but I am curious to see others' view points on this subject. In my class debate, it seemed like all the girls (except me) were against the bombings, whereas all the guys in my class approved the bombings.

What is your opinion on the US bombing Japan? Do you approve of it? Or do you think it was wrong? Support your answer with at least some thought involved. xD
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Postby New Sapienta » Tue Apr 10, 2012 11:45 am

The fire bombing that would have continued would have claimed more lives anyway, and without the detonations we would not see the destruction of an atomic bomb first hadnd, and how terrible it is.

Also, not sure if this is classified as homework help.

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Postby Erickan » Tue Apr 10, 2012 11:46 am

New Sapienta wrote:Also, not sure if this is classified as homework help.


I'm completely done with it. :p
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Postby Tmutarakhan » Tue Apr 10, 2012 11:46 am

If the homework assignment is already over and done with, and now he wants to discuss it, I don't see the problem [/notamod]
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Postby Erickan » Tue Apr 10, 2012 11:47 am

Tmutarakhan wrote:If the homework assignment is already over and done with, and now he wants to discuss it, I don't see the problem [/notamod]


She ;)
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Postby Mike the Progressive » Tue Apr 10, 2012 11:47 am

I do not believe that it was morally just, it was a horrible, horrible thing to do. But I think it had to be done, there was no practical alternative. It was just sad we had to make such a horrid choice.

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Postby Erickan » Tue Apr 10, 2012 11:48 am

Mike the Progressive wrote:I do not believe that it was morally just, it was a horrible, horrible thing to do. But I think it had to be done, there was no practical alternative. It was just sad we had to make such a horrid choice.


Meh..I agree with that.

As my dad said, "Guess they shouldn't have bombed Pearl Harbor!!"
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Postby Mike the Progressive » Tue Apr 10, 2012 11:49 am

Erickan wrote:
Mike the Progressive wrote:I do not believe that it was morally just, it was a horrible, horrible thing to do. But I think it had to be done, there was no practical alternative. It was just sad we had to make such a horrid choice.


Meh..I agree with that.

As my dad said, "Guess they shouldn't have bombed Pearl Harbor!!"


Haha, yeah, my dad is the same way.

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Postby The Waiting Fox » Tue Apr 10, 2012 11:50 am

New Sapienta wrote:The fire bombing that would have continued would have claimed more lives anyway, and without the detonations we would not see the destruction of an atomic bomb first hadnd, and how terrible it is.

Also, not sure if this is classified as homework help.

Wouldn't one atomic bomb do the same thing? I always thought that after Hiroshima dropped and the USSR declared war Japan would surrender without having America bomb Nagasaki.. One can argue the first one was crucial, but the second one achieved what goals?
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Postby Zottistan » Tue Apr 10, 2012 11:50 am

Mike the Progressive wrote:I do not believe that it was morally just, it was a horrible, horrible thing to do. But I think it had to be done, there was no practical alternative. It was just sad we had to make such a horrid choice.


I think this pretty much sums up the majority of people's opinions on the bombings.
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Postby Erickan » Tue Apr 10, 2012 11:51 am

Mike the Progressive wrote:
Erickan wrote:
Meh..I agree with that.

As my dad said, "Guess they shouldn't have bombed Pearl Harbor!!"


Haha, yeah, my dad is the same way.


:lol2: My dad is sooo racist....It kinda rubs off on me :blink: I try to control (most) of my comments though. :p
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Postby Camranland » Tue Apr 10, 2012 11:51 am

I think it saved it more lives than it took. If the united states invaded japan then it is believed that perhaps several times more civilians would have died.

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Postby Erickan » Tue Apr 10, 2012 11:52 am

The Waiting Fox wrote:
New Sapienta wrote:The fire bombing that would have continued would have claimed more lives anyway, and without the detonations we would not see the destruction of an atomic bomb first hadnd, and how terrible it is.

Also, not sure if this is classified as homework help.

Wouldn't one atomic bomb do the same thing? I always thought that after Hiroshima dropped and the USSR declared war Japan would surrender without having America bomb Nagasaki.. One can argue the first one was crucial, but the second one achieved what goals?


I guess the basic instinctual blood lust of people.
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Postby Hillbillydom » Tue Apr 10, 2012 11:53 am

Them dirty japs got what was comin to em, a big ass-whoopin from AMERICA! :twisted:
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Postby Erickan » Tue Apr 10, 2012 11:54 am

Hillbillydom wrote:Them dirty japs got what was comin to em, a big ass-whoopin from AMERICA! :twisted:


:rofl:

Sorry, I shouldn't laugh, but that sounds pretty much like my dad, except he calls them gooks.
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Postby Sheepish » Tue Apr 10, 2012 11:55 am

A good song on American politics:


Bomb Iran by Paul Shanklin.
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Postby Erickan » Tue Apr 10, 2012 11:56 am

Sheepish wrote:A good song on American politics:


Bomb Iran by Paul Shanklin.


We also sort of discussed that in my class...Yet again the boys said yes, and most of the girls no.

Bombing Iran I mean.
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Postby Mike the Progressive » Tue Apr 10, 2012 11:56 am

Erickan wrote:
Mike the Progressive wrote:
Haha, yeah, my dad is the same way.


:lol2: My dad is sooo racist....It kinda rubs off on me :blink: I try to control (most) of my comments though. :p


lol eh, my dad isn't really racist. it's just my grandmother on my mom's side was raped by Japanese soldiers (and the hatred, I guess transferred over from my mom to my dad). he thought the firebombing was horrible, though.

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Postby Zanzar » Tue Apr 10, 2012 11:57 am

When you have two horrible chocies I suppose you have to pick one. If it was the other way we would still be second gussing if we should have used two A-Bombs.

BTW I think that at least one was a hdyrogen bomb.
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Postby Erickan » Tue Apr 10, 2012 11:57 am

Mike the Progressive wrote:
Erickan wrote:
:lol2: My dad is sooo racist....It kinda rubs off on me :blink: I try to control (most) of my comments though. :p


lol eh, my dad isn't really racist. it's just my grandmother on my mom's side was raped by Japanese soldiers (and the hatred, I guess transferred over from my mom to my dad). he thought the firebombing was horrible, though.


:shock: Well, that is definitely a good reason to have some hatred there. :?
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Postby Sepratarist » Tue Apr 10, 2012 11:57 am

Wouldn't one atomic bomb do the same thing? I always thought that after Hiroshima dropped and the USSR declared war Japan would surrender without having America bomb Nagasaki.. One can argue the first one was crucial, but the second one achieved what goals?


One of the biggest problems with the second bomb was Nagasaki was not the original target. It was actually supposed to be Kokura, one of Japan's largest munition arsenals. Due to intense cloud cover, the crew made the decision to switch to Nagasaki.

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Postby Erickan » Tue Apr 10, 2012 11:58 am

Zanzar wrote:When you have two horrible chocies I suppose you have to pick one. If it was the other way we would still be second gussing if we should have used two A-Bombs.

BTW I think that at least one was a hdyrogen bomb.


Little Boy was uranium, Fat Man was plutoniom. (Unless I got the names switched.)
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Postby Rezdin » Tue Apr 10, 2012 11:58 am

Well the expression IS an eye for an eye,a Japan did bomb Hawaii,so I guess it was the right move.I mean,Japan was the reason USA entered World War 2 in the first place by bombing Pearl Harbor.
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Postby Kemaliste » Tue Apr 10, 2012 11:59 am

Put aside the fact that it's being a horrible example of how cruel imperialists are, the criminal one is shamelessly trying to lecture others about not using the nuclears and asking for them to stop their works on it. Hundreds of thousands of innocent people died, the cities were nearly destroyed and its effects still continue even today (anormal handicapped borns), but some people can easily justify this attack, but when others attempt to advocate their rights on other historical issues which are debatable, they're lynched and declared '' massive genocidal killer ''. That's why I hate the West and their hypocritical mentality.

I feel so sorry for Japan. It's their right to make them pay for that but their country is just dominated by their murderer...
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Postby Imota » Tue Apr 10, 2012 12:00 pm

Mike the Progressive wrote:I do not believe that it was morally just, it was a horrible, horrible thing to do. But I think it had to be done, there was no practical alternative. It was just sad we had to make such a horrid choice.


I can't believe I'm saying this, but I agree with Mike. Disgusting, but ultimately the least worst option available.

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