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[PASSED]: Liberate Nationalist Union

Postby Oh my Days » Sun Apr 01, 2012 2:05 pm

This is needed very quickly, so I just want someone to explain how I can make this rule 4 compliant before I submit. Thanks.

Liberate Nationalist Union

RECOGNISING a region’s right to self-determination,

APPLAUDING Nationalist Union’s long community history,

DECRYING the occupation of Nationalist Union by extremist left-wing forces from Antifa,

EXPRESSING dismay at the use of a password to systematically remove the members of Nationalist Union from their home,

BELIEVING that this constitutes a threat to Nationalist Union’s very existence,

HEREBY Liberates Nationalist Union
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Postby Sedgistan » Sun Apr 01, 2012 2:14 pm

"roleplaying" is a Rule 4 violation.

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Postby Oh my Days » Sun Apr 01, 2012 2:15 pm

Is there a way to work around it? It's so long since I wrote one of these, and I had to avoid the end of the rule 4 debates.
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Postby Fischistan » Sun Apr 01, 2012 2:21 pm

Describe what exactly they roleplayed.
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Postby Cerian Quilor » Tue Apr 03, 2012 9:02 pm

I don't like facist regions, but the region Antifa's personal moralizing additude annoys me, so I'll support this if it hits the floor.
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Postby New Heathera » Tue Apr 03, 2012 11:42 pm

Due to my anti-nationalist bias and support of ANTIFA, I am opposed. Some regions don't deserve liberation. This is one of them. Besides, the region never was very large to begin with. Is it really worth the effort of the SC to take action?

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Postby Letoilenoir » Tue Apr 03, 2012 11:49 pm

Given the OP's admitted involvement in the Liberate Islam resolution, I would question the motives behind this proposal
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Postby Greater Tezdrian » Tue Apr 03, 2012 11:51 pm

The NU was the first region I ever joined, and I would like very much to return to it. Support.
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Postby Greater Tezdrian » Tue Apr 03, 2012 11:51 pm

New Heathera wrote:Some regions don't deserve liberation.

Out of curiosity, who are you to make that call?
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Postby Bears Armed » Wed Apr 04, 2012 4:08 am

Letoilenoir wrote:Given the OP's admitted involvement in the Liberate Islam resolution, I would question the motives behind this proposal

This.
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Postby Topid » Wed Apr 04, 2012 5:26 am

I will support this proposal. There is a key difference between Islam and this region, being that I believe given the similar nature between the regions OMD comes from and NU, that NU would not be acting against NU.
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Postby Mahaj » Wed Apr 04, 2012 8:34 am

I will be supporting this.
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Postby Mallorea and Riva » Wed Apr 04, 2012 9:41 am

OMD's WA nation is clearly visible, and everything he's saying falls in line with what we can see as outsiders. It seems to be a legitimate liberation of a region he has historical connections to. Geesh everyone is so suspicious :p
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Postby Topid » Wed Apr 04, 2012 11:28 am

Mallorea and Riva wrote:Geesh everyone is so suspicious :p

Only at extremely inconvenient times. As soon as someone wants to repeal Liberate Eastern Europe or such endeavors, everyone goes back to trusting stated intentions. :p
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Postby New Heathera » Wed Apr 04, 2012 2:24 pm

Greater Tezdrian wrote:
New Heathera wrote:Some regions don't deserve liberation.

Out of curiosity, who are you to make that call?


As someone opposed to the holocaust and it's supporters.

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Postby Fischistan » Wed Apr 04, 2012 2:45 pm

New Heathera wrote:
Greater Tezdrian wrote:Out of curiosity, who are you to make that call?


As someone opposed to the holocaust and it's supporters.

What does that have anything to do with this? Nationalism =/= Fascism =/= Nazism. Roleplaying =/= Real Life beliefs
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Postby New Heathera » Thu Apr 05, 2012 2:26 pm

Fischistan wrote:
New Heathera wrote:
As someone opposed to the holocaust and it's supporters.

What does that have anything to do with this? Nationalism =/= Fascism =/= Nazism. Roleplaying =/= Real Life beliefs


Well, I'm still opposed. Past liberation resolutions have shown there are nations uninvolved with the raid that still oppose it. I doubt I'm the only nation opposed that isn't linked to the raiding party.

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Postby Fischistan » Thu Apr 05, 2012 5:56 pm

New Heathera wrote:
Fischistan wrote:What does that have anything to do with this? Nationalism =/= Fascism =/= Nazism. Roleplaying =/= Real Life beliefs


Well, I'm still opposed. Past liberation resolutions have shown there are nations uninvolved with the raid that still oppose it. I doubt I'm the only nation opposed that isn't linked to the raiding party.

But why are you opposed to it?
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Postby Eist » Thu Apr 05, 2012 6:29 pm

Against. Nationalist Union is a fascist, borderline Nazi region that deserves everything that it got. Further, OMD single-handedly destroyed the region Islam, which is again relevant in the news. I would be hard-pressed to vote for anything that OMD supported, let alone written.

There is no way I could support this, and I am disappointed in the choice many of my comrades have made above.
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Postby Mallorea and Riva » Thu Apr 05, 2012 6:53 pm

Eist wrote:Against. Nationalist Union is a fascist, borderline Nazi region that deserves everything that it got. Further, OMD single-handedly destroyed the region Islam, which is again relevant in the news. I would be hard-pressed to vote for anything that OMD supported, let alone written.

There is no way I could support this, and I am disappointed in the choice many of my comrades have made above.

Yayyyy selective defenderism!
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Postby Fischistan » Thu Apr 05, 2012 7:15 pm

Mallorea and Riva wrote:
Eist wrote:Against. Nationalist Union is a fascist, borderline Nazi region that deserves everything that it got. Further, OMD single-handedly destroyed the region Islam, which is again relevant in the news. I would be hard-pressed to vote for anything that OMD supported, let alone written.

There is no way I could support this, and I am disappointed in the choice many of my comrades have made above.

Yayyyy selective defenderism!

You still call it defenderism? I stopped calling it that a while ago.

But I support this. They were a roleplaying region, and because they enjoy pretending to be evil, doesn't mean they don't deserve liberation. I've been raided once, and I know that it sucks to be raided. I hope they turn out okay in the end.
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Postby Eist » Thu Apr 05, 2012 7:18 pm

Mallorea and Riva wrote:Yayyyy selective defenderism!


Correct. It is well known that TITO will not defend raider or Nazi themed regions. Even though it is debatable if this is actually a proper "Nazi" region, given the ambiguity, I, personally, would have never led my troops into battle here given our long standing and unwavering stance.
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Postby Mallorea and Riva » Thu Apr 05, 2012 7:32 pm

Eist wrote:
Mallorea and Riva wrote:Yayyyy selective defenderism!


Correct. It is well known that TITO will not defend raider or Nazi themed regions. Even though it is debatable if this is actually a proper "Nazi" region, given the ambiguity, I, personally, would have never led my troops into battle here given our long standing and unwavering stance.

Oh I'm aware of TITO and UDL policy regarding Nazi regions (keeping in mind of course the fact that you already noted, that this is not in fact a Nazi region).

It's just interesting to note that not only will you not defend such regions, but you will actively oppose the efforts of those who attempt to protect them.
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Postby Eist » Thu Apr 05, 2012 7:42 pm

Mallorea and Riva wrote:It's just interesting to note that not only will you not defend such regions, but you will actively oppose the efforts of those who attempt to protect them.


You are very astute.
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Postby Mallorea and Riva » Thu Apr 05, 2012 7:45 pm

Eist wrote:
Mallorea and Riva wrote:It's just interesting to note that not only will you not defend such regions, but you will actively oppose the efforts of those who attempt to protect them.


You are very astute.

I just can't reconcile a couple of things TITO does with... well... common sense, but that's an issue for a whole other time. This is just a cross section of that. You don't want to defend Nazi regions, fine. Why actively oppose a Liberation of a fascist region? Just to spite Oh My Days because he embarrassed TITO a long time ago? Doesn't that seem a tad petty?
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