[DRAFT] Allowing Torture as a Punishment of Crime

[The Knights of the Temple (Ancient)]

this is my first proposol so please dont kill me over it also i have Dyspraxia so there is likely going to be errors in typing and for that i am sorry also construcive criticism would be nice so i know what to improve for next time and any tips would be liked aswell

Catagory:Law
Strength:Significant

"The World Assembly
REALISES: That Crime must be dealt with

Believes: That Crime is bad and must be dealt with in a new manner

Upset: that some punishments do not fully fit the crime

Seeks: to be allowed to use Torture as a punishment of crime when one citizen takes away anothers rights

hereby mandates the following

1. That Torture should be allowed as a punishment if the crime is severe enough

2.That the Crimes that will allow such torture include Rape and Pedophilia

3.If any crime occurs along side the above torture can also be allowed

[Teutonic Territories]

I think this contradicts a resolution...

Let me check

[Grays Harbor]

That would be #9, Prevention of Torture, and that makes this whole thing quite illegal.

[Thatchland]

Also there are various resolutions that also refer to torture not being acceptable.

[Frisbeeteria]

... and there's no ...

Catagory:Law
Strength:Significant

... which I think it significant.

[The Knights of the Temple (Ancient)]

the current law states it differently to what i proposed as it only covers for evidence intimidation coercion and any form of information gathering what i proposed was to actually allow it if it fit the bill to the crime commited but only if the person if found guilty ofcourse and i do not see anywhere in the current law stating it could not be used as a punishment against crime

[Thatchland]

the current law states it differently to what i proposed as it only covers for evidence intimidation coercion and any form of information gathering what i proposed was to actually allow it if it fit the bill to the crime commited but only if the person if found guilty ofcourse and i do not see anywhere in the current law stating it could not be used as a punishment against crime

States it clearly for me:

Declares:

1. ‘Torture’ is defined as an act of intentionally inflicting pain, severe discomfort or suffering on a person for the purposes of intimidation, coercion, personal punishment or interrogation, or to extract information, confession or concession to demands from them or any other person, where committed with the approval or assistance of a government official or person acting in such capacity.

9. The training of military and law enforcement personnel, those responsible for those held in detention, and any other persons having responsibility for persons facing interrogation, criminal investigation or detention shall include instruction on the obligation not to perform torture.

[The Knights of the Temple (Ancient)]

then would it be possible to have the banning of torture looked at again and changed cause really i dont think death is suitable for every crime that is classed as severe

[Zaklen]

Torture is disgusting and inhumane. Imprisonment for a long time should be used if you are not comfortable with the death penalty.

[The Knights of the Temple (Ancient)]

Torture is disgusting and inhumane. Imprisonment for a long time should be used if you are not comfortable with the death penalty.

but then the criminal becomes a drain where as torture would allow him to forcibly learn his lesson rather then a solid bar cell that does nothing

[Cowardly Pacifists]

then would it be possible to have the banning of torture looked at again and changed cause really i dont think death is suitable for every crime that is classed as severe

It is perfectly within your power to draft a repeal of the Prevention of Torture Resolution. Good luck - torture is not exactly a controversial issue; most folks seem to understand that torturing other folks is bad.

[The Knights of the Temple (Ancient)]

then would it be possible to have the banning of torture looked at again and changed cause really i dont think death is suitable for every crime that is classed as severe

It is perfectly within your power to draft a repeal of the Prevention of Torture Resolution. Good luck - torture is not exactly a controversial issue; most folks seem to understand that torturing other folks is bad.

please go back and look at what i classed as a crime that can be punished by torture

[The Knights of the Temple (Ancient)]

i defined rape and pedophilia to be punishable by torture under the classifaction that the victim has themselves been tortured mentally and physically

[Connopolis]

It is perfectly within your power to draft a repeal of the Prevention of Torture Resolution. Good luck - torture is not exactly a controversial issue; most folks seem to understand that torturing other folks is bad.

please go back and look at what i classed as a crime that can be punished by torture

It doesn't matter what crimes you "classed" as torture, because it's illegal under all circumstances. Either repeal it, resign from the World Assembly, or relax.

Yours,

[Zaklen]

Why would you torture a pedophile or rapist until they "learn their lesson"? These people are a threat to society and need to be locked up indefinitely, or executed. Zaklen's policy is the latter.

[Cowardly Pacifists]

please go back and look at what i classed as a crime that can be punished by torture

I don't care if the crime is raping God, we don't condone torture as an appropriate punishment.

Your eye-for-an-eye mentality is despicable. Even the most heinous criminals deserve certain rights. Most of our member states are pretty civilized, and we will not make ourselves into monsters to punish the monstrous acts of others.

Edit: Grammar.

[The Knights of the Temple (Ancient)]

Why would you torture a pedophile or rapist until they "learn their lesson"? These people are a threat to society and need to be locked up indefinitely, or executed. Zaklen's policy is the latter.

then i'd rather out right kill them and by learn their lesson die by suffering

[The Knights of the Temple (Ancient)]

please go back and look at what i classed as a crime that can be punished by torture

I don't care if the crime is raping God, we don't condone torture as an appropriate punishment.

Your eye-for-an-eye mentality is despicable. Even the most heinous criminals deserve certain rights. Most of our member states are pretty civilized, and we will not make ourselves into monsters to punish the monstrous acts of others.

Edit: Grammar.

i mentioned on the first post i have dyspraxia so my grammer is actually damaged from it and criminals that take away others rights should be punished by losing them

[Democratic Consensia]

As previously mentioned, this proposal would contradict an already-passed resolution. The only way forward is to first repeal that GAR and then pass a new bill, allowing for the use of torture.

However, such a repeal probably wouldn't even make it to Quorum, let alone pass a full vote of the assembly.

-Nestor Manos, Consen Representative in the General Assembly

[Thatchland]

Torture is disgusting and inhumane. Imprisonment for a long time should be used if you are not comfortable with the death penalty.

but then the criminal becomes a drain where as torture would allow him to forcibly learn his lesson rather then a solid bar cell that does nothing

Depends upon the mission of your criminal justice system: punishment, retribution/revenge (torture), or reformation. Ours if reformation. Thatchland is a firm believer that education, welfare and proactive measures are the best ways to deal with possible criminal instincts and nature. Our mission is to fight against that which we have found causes crime: inequality, injustice, intolerance. As a result, our crime rate is so low that it is considered "totally unknown" and have one of the lowest criminal incarceration numbers in the WA, as well as one of the least numbered law enforcement agencies, per capita.

That said, yes - if you wish, you may submit a proposal to repeal of #9 first and then - should that repeal pass - submit a proposal for a resolution allowing the torture of people who are found guilty of certain criminal acts. But like Cowardly Pacifists suggests, the repeal itself is going to be a tough sell. #9 was passed with almost 62% of the vote

[The Knights of the Temple (Ancient)]

then my nation will follow a different route to activly punish those that would have been tortured and instead make sure their death is as horrible as possible without it being classed as torture

[Cowardly Pacifists]

I don't care if the crime is raping God, we don't condone torture as an appropriate punishment.

Your eye-for-an-eye mentality is despicable. Even the most heinous criminals deserve certain rights. Most of our member states are pretty civilized, and we will not make ourselves into monsters to punish the monstrous acts of others.

Edit: Grammar.

i mentioned on the first post i have dyspraxia so my grammer is actually damaged from it and criminals that take away others rights should be punished by losing them

I meant that I edited my post to correct my grammar. I originally wrote "you're" instead of "your."

But I disagree that it is proper to punish people by divesting them of certain rights. We are perfectly capable of distinguishing between universally despicable acts and legitimate punishments. I understand that there is a flip side to everything, and what I'm telling you that you have the power to try to repeal the Prevention of Torture resolution if you'd like. But this is one of those moral issues (like the wrongness of murder, rape, and slavery) that a vast majority of folks intrinsically understand. Yours is the minority position. And if you really want to try to legalize torture as a punishment, you're going to have a really really tough row to hoe.

[The Knights of the Temple (Ancient)]

but then the criminal becomes a drain where as torture would allow him to forcibly learn his lesson rather then a solid bar cell that does nothing

Depends upon the mission of your criminal justice system: punishment, retribution/revenge (torture), or reformation. Ours if reformation. Thatchland is a firm believer that education, welfare and proactive measures are the best ways to deal with possible criminal instincts and nature. Our mission is to fight against that which we have found causes crime: inequality, injustice, intolerance. As a result, our crime rate is so low that it is considered "totally unknown" and have one of the lowest criminal incarceration numbers in the WA, as well as one of the least numbered law enforcement agencies, per capita.

That said, yes - if you wish, you may submit a proposal to repeal of #9 first and then - should that repeal pass - submit a proposal for a resolution allowing the torture of people who are found guilty of certain criminal acts. But like Cowardly Pacifists suggests, the repeal itself is going to be a tough sell. #9 was passed with almost 62% of the vote

Our legal system works over three nations in the region we reside the system is simple for those that learnt it fully our crime rate is low soley because we deal with crime in an extreme manner that makes it very rare the system is founded on the policy that if someone takes away another right to life they must lose theirs and example as before with rape and pedophilia they can commited many acts of revoking human rights that they are no longer allowed theirs

[The Knights of the Temple (Ancient)]

i mentioned on the first post i have dyspraxia so my grammer is actually damaged from it and criminals that take away others rights should be punished by losing them

I meant that I edited my post to correct my grammar. I originally wrote "you're" instead of "your."

But I disagree that it is proper to punish people by divesting them of certain rights. We are perfectly capable of distinguishing between universally despicable acts and legitimate punishments. I understand that there is a flip side to everything, and what I'm telling you that you have the power to try to repeal the Prevention of Torture resolution if you'd like. But this is one of those moral issues (like the wrongness of murder, rape, and slavery) that a vast majority of folks intrinsically understand. Yours is the minority position. And if you really want to try to legalize torture as a punishment, you're going to have a really really tough row to hoe.

i am sorry i mis-understood what you ment by edit: Grammer. i agree totally with almost all of the standard views except that on torture

[Moronist Decisions]

Illegal, contradicts previous legislation.