[Abandoned...For Now] Condemn Puissancevise

[Zaklen]

The proposal has been submitted. If you are a delegate, please go approve it. Thank you.

Condemn Puissancevise

The Security Council,

UNDERSTANDING that Puissancevise is a nation which classifies its citizens who follow a religious faith as having mental illness and forces them to receive psychological treatment for their "illness", indirectly forcing them into a doctrine of atheism against their will.

ASTONISHED that the Puissancevise government carries out these policies, despite violating General Assembly resolution #30, "Freedom of Expression", in doing so.

SHOCKED that Puissancevise would propose implementing this system into international law through the General Assembly, despite the presence of several theocratic nations within the World Assembly, and the previously named General Assembly Resolution.

OUTRAGED that The Democratic Communist States of Puissancevise has declared war on other nations, such as Dua Fadi, simply because they refuse to adopt similar policies in regards to religion.

CONCERNED for the well being of religious peoples throughout the world,

CONDEMNS The Democratic Communist States of Puissancevise.

[Frisbeeteria]

Are we granting recognition for acknowledged trolls now?

[Zaklen]

I don't interpret that as trolling, I interpret it as trying to baffle people in a GA debate so that a proposal that they don't like is not submitted.

[Skyrim Diplomacy]

The Ambassador read through the proposal and chuckled slightly.

The only thing this nation has done is suppress religious freedoms? Perhaps after the nation in question commits genocides, raids, and kitten-burnings they will warrant the attention of this council.

[Zaklen]

They've also declared war on a nation that refused to follow the same policies.

[Amyrintha]

Zaklen's proposal is simply saying this:

PEOPLE HAVE THE RIGHT TO PRACTICE RELIGION!!!

I myself am extremely religious. The seperation of church and state has been around for centuries. Of course there are theocratic nations that don't seperate church and state, but for them church and state are the same.

All people have the right to freely practice religion and this proposal destroies that completely. There is no intellegent thought stated the resolution that they have in that proposal.

It's one thing to practise the limitation of religious freedom in one sole nation, but it's quite another to force it into international law, AND go to war against another nation for not doing the same.

The condemnation of Puissancevise is a resolution to protect the long held right of freedom of religeon, and for that reason it 1) should not pass and 2) if it does pass it should be reapealed and 3) Puissancevise should be punished for their attempts to destroy that right.

-Aumones Brynden, Duke of the Province of Torlenia and representative for the United Provinces of Amyrintha to the World Assembly.

[Frisbeeteria]

Zaklen's proposal is simply saying this:

PEOPLE HAVE THE RIGHT TO PRACTICE RELIGION!!!

[OOC]
No, it's not saying that at all. That argument is happening in Puissancevise's GA thread. This one is about applying a badge on his nation. Nothing more, nothing less.

[Paper Flowers]

They've also declared war on a nation that refused to follow the same policies.

You've made this statement several times, would you be able to provide evidence to back it up?

Zaklen's proposal is simply saying this:

PEOPLE HAVE THE RIGHT TO PRACTICE RELIGION!!!

We recognise no such right.

All people have the right to freely practice religion and this proposal destroies that completely.

No they don't have that right, since they don't have the right you cannot destroy it.

It's one thing to practise the limitation of religious freedom in one sole nation, but it's quite another to force it into international law,

Just as we have had numerous religious nations attempt to force their nonsense upon those of us who see facts rather than fiction (look at the number of Abortion, etc debates and how often "my religion says it's wrong, so you shouldn't do it" is used as an argument.)

AND go to war against another nation for not doing the same.

Refer to my first statement, we would like to see some evidence of these actions.

The condemnation of Puissancevise is a resolution to protect the long held right of freedom of religeon,

There is no such right, long held or otherwise.

Puissancevise should be punished for their attempts to destroy that right.

One cannot destroy something that does not exist.

The nation of Puissancevise has shown it is willing to take reasonable steps to protect its citizens from the evils of Religion, we see no reason to condemn them for this.

Opposed

[Puissancevise]

If a condemnation is what is granted to me for my efforts to rid the world of this horrible disease, then so be it. And i do not mean to come off as a troll. I actually believe in what i am trying to do, and i find it only partially amusing that so many people are stirred up about it. It just goes to show what religion can do to perfectly normal people, including both myself and the ambassador who proposed this condemnation.

As for the arguments of the ambassador, i do not deny any of them. I do what i must to achieve my goal for the sake of intellectual humankind.

I would ask that a poll option be added, so that i may know where this is headed.

Any further debate on the subject may be sent to me though telegram if you must, but please refrain from flaming.

[Anima Ligant]

This anti-religious troll needs to be condemned! Agreed

[Zaklen]

They've also declared war on a nation that refused to follow the same policies.

You've made this statement several times, would you be able to provide evidence to back it up?

From the Isle of Liberty Message Board, posted by Puissancevise:

Mahmood Garjan,

Then your people are all mentally insane, including yourself. There is no Hell. The only Hell is the state of mind that you and millions others suffer from. This state of insanity that has too long been allowed to plague the world. Open your eyes, and open your mind. The very ideals of religion has been directly disproved by science. Science that uses only fact and logic to explain things that had befuddled humans, (and still do in some cases, because some people refuse to accept that their beliefs have been outdated). I refuse to allow my people to go on living in this terrible lie and fear of suffering that will never come to anyone. The only thing to fear is fear itself. In fact, for allowing your people to believe in such ridiculous nonsense, you are oppressing their right to live. You are the one that should be condemned for your utter tyranny in allowing a mental disorder of this extreme to plague the minds of your entire populace. Due to your state of mental instability, i declare you and your council no longer fit to run a nation. The belief in a deity is ridiculous enough, but when you sink to the primitive level of accepting illogical nonsense you are proving to the world that you are indeed as ignorant and stupid as beings that have not yet evolved to their highest level of thinking. You are trapped in this horrible state of primitive being and you subject your people to utter lunacy. You seethe at the word "atheist" like it is a bad thing, when truly it is atheists who have managed to see past this ludicrousness and accept the world and the universe for what it really is. I condemn you insanity and i demand that you an your entire ruling council step down from your positions and let officials with some sense run your peoples country. There are a lot of mentally-ill people in your nation that deserve medical treatment immediately. If you cannot accept that religion is nothing more than a false interpretation of a higher power that has grown into the most progressive form of psychological disease known to mankind, then someone who does understand the truth of life will solve this problem for you. People only have one short one, and your decision to let your people ruin theirs by suffering from this mental illness has shown that you need to be treated or exterminated, whichever is easier for you.

This is your ultimatum:

1. The Shadow Council will hand down all powers to the Government of Puissancevise.
2. The Military will disperse, and the police will either swear loyalty to the new ruler, or disperse.
3. You will not attempt in any way to interfere with the treatment of your people's illnesses.

If you do not comply with the above terms, your nation will be taken by military force. We will use ANY means necessary to achieve victory.

The lives of billions depends on your decision. Your people will be freed from this insanity one way or another. This you cannot stop. ANY person that opposes the liberation of your nation will be killed.

[Zaklen]

For the record, I have abstained from the poll because, obviously, as the author, I support the proposal.

[Osthia]

Zaklen, I support this condemnation. However, maybe you should add the fact that he had threatened a nation with war and carried it out because of opposition against his proposal. Other than that, I will inform my WA Delegate to watch this proposal with interest.

[Zaklen]

Zaklen, I support this condemnation. However, maybe you should add the fact that he had threatened a nation with war and carried it out because of opposition against his proposal. Other than that, I will inform my WA Delegate to watch this proposal with interest.

I already stated that in the "OUTRAGED" part. Thank you for your support.

[Las Trinidades]

We The Allied States of Las Trinidades,

Although we are a religiously tolerant people, there are things that the WA just cannot put a hand in. One of these being this matter at hand.

A nation and the religious individuals inside it, are subject to the rule of the government. There should be no reason to intervene with a condemnation if the nation:

1) Does not commit a hideous genocide against a certain religious group (Such as the recent AD Security Council Case)

2) The nation and its decisions do not cause harm towards other nations and their own beliefs. (As it has been proven, The nation in question does do this, so In sense, some sort of punishment -OUTSIDE OF CONDEMNATION- should be taken.)

The point is simply being, a nation is free to rule its people as it pleases, BUT if it is part of the WA it must, in thus cases, follow certain critirias.

The nation in question has not caused mass genocides, simply tried "un-natural" ways of conversion to more "rational" form of thinking from religion.

Thus the case ending, We,
The Allied States of Las Trinidades,
Oppose the bill in question.

[Zaklen]

You are forgetting, ambassador, that they have violated GA Resolution #30 in doing so. As a World Assembly nation, Puissancevise is legally obligated not to do this. Also, while they may not be causing the genocide of one particular religion, they are attempting to eradicate all religions from the minds of their religious populace, by force, I might add.

[Southern Patriots]

Opposed. He's cruising for a condemnation badge. Deny it and ignore him.

[Puissancevise]

Opposed. He's cruising for a condemnation badge. Deny it and ignore him.

I would like to point out that my purpose is not to "earn" a condemnation(associated with nazis and killers), but merely to treat a terrible phsycological illness. If a condemnation is what is given to me for standing up for what i believe in, then it is proof that the security council is no more than a biased joke, poisoned by the mental illness of religious belief.

[Skyrim Diplomacy]

Neither I or my WAD nation will support this. The actions outlined in this proposal are not worthy of this attention of this council.

[Puissancevise]

Neither I or my WAD nation will support this. The actions outlined in this proposal are not worthy of this attention of this council.

Agreed. What have i done that is so horrible?

[Grangersparadice]

I approve of this. I believe that people have the right to choose a religion, even if it is none. By forcing people to have no religion, it is nearly the same as forcing them to have a religion. Let's put this simply. Would YOU like to be forced to join a religion that you believed absolutely zero in? You can suppress religion, but not "cure" it. I am atheist, and I decidedly support this condemnation.

[Osthia]

Neither I or my WAD nation will support this. The actions outlined in this proposal are not worthy of this attention of this council.

Agreed. What have i done that is so horrible?

You declared war on a nation in your own region simply for opposing your will for labelling those who were religous as insane. I believe that is what mostly has us against you.

[Zaklen]

Neither I or my WAD nation will support this. The actions outlined in this proposal are not worthy of this attention of this council.

Agreed. What have i done that is so horrible?

Honestly, Premier Whetstone, I care most deeply about your suggesting that the World Assembly adopt your legal policy regarding religion, despite the presence of several religious and/or theocratic governments within said body, and that you would declare war on another nation simply because they don't agree with you.

While I find what you do to your religious citizens horrible and extremely offensive, if that was all you had done, I probably would've never noticed your actions and written this proposal. Unfortunately, now that these actions have come to my attention, I will continue campaigning for your condemnation. Good day to you, sir.

[Skyrim Diplomacy]

If that is the case, I would highly suggest launching a stellar approval campaign, as it is my opinion not many Delegates will see this proposal and approve it with a simple glance.

[Zaklen]

Well, my current campaigning strategy seems to be working. I only had 14 approvals an hour ago and now I'm up to 20. Either a lot of people are going through the "magic portal" by my signature, or my strategy of telegraming all the theocratic delegates I could find, along with several other nations is working, or both.