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Income Taxes: Are They Theft?

Postby Ravineworld » Sun Feb 19, 2012 2:31 pm

Theft by Definition: The act of stealing property.
So, income taxes, are when the government forces you to give up your property. How is that not stealing property?
I believe that taxes are an act of theft. I believe that since theft is illegal, then taxes are illegal.
So, NSG, what do you think about income taxes? Illegal, legal, good, bad?
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Postby Ovisterra » Sun Feb 19, 2012 2:39 pm

I suppose the government should just magic money out of the air to pay for the roads, hospitals, and emergency services.
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Postby Wikkiwallana » Sun Feb 19, 2012 2:39 pm

Taking government services without paying for them is theft. Stop trying to steal from the government.

Edit: scratch this, see my new post:
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Postby Bafuria » Sun Feb 19, 2012 2:41 pm

They are a preferable form of theft compared to being mugged because of a lack of tax-funded police.
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Postby New Genoa » Sun Feb 19, 2012 2:42 pm

Property is theft.
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Postby Bostok » Sun Feb 19, 2012 2:42 pm

No no you got it wrong it goes like this.

Don't steal the goverment hates competition.

Now hurry up and give me your money so i can pretend to protect you.

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Postby Filafia » Sun Feb 19, 2012 2:43 pm

Ravineworld wrote:Theft by Definition: The act of stealing property.
So, income taxes, are when the government forces you to give up your property. How is that not stealing property?
I believe that taxes are an act of theft. I believe that since theft is illegal, then taxes are illegal.
So, NSG, what do you think about income taxes? Illegal, legal, good, bad?


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Postby Genivaria » Sun Feb 19, 2012 2:43 pm

If income taxes are theft then using public services should be theft as well seeing as you didn't pay for them.

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Postby Chinese Regions » Sun Feb 19, 2012 2:44 pm

Depends what the government does is a waste or not.
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Postby Seven7 » Sun Feb 19, 2012 2:44 pm

Taxes aren't illegal (quite obviously) but they certainly are immoral. Not only does it result in confiscation of the fruits of a person's labour (so yes, they are theft) but they are then used to coerce sovereign individuals both in the home country and often around the world to do things against their will.

So not only is your property taken from you by force, the government also then uses it to maintain an unjustifiable monopoly on force which should not be tolerated by any liberty-loving individual.

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Postby Chinese Regions » Sun Feb 19, 2012 2:44 pm

New Genoa wrote:Property is theft.

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Postby Alyakia » Sun Feb 19, 2012 2:46 pm

Ovisterra wrote:I suppose the government should just magic money out of the air to pay for the roads, hospitals, and emergency services.


MAKE THE ROADS A TOLL (p.s. a small car going to the ships and a gigantic truck carrying literal gold to goldcorp to be made into super gold should be charged the same)

hospitals? what are you, living in any first world nation outside of the U.S. a commie?
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Postby Wikkiwallana » Sun Feb 19, 2012 2:46 pm

Argument by assertion is theft, I want my time back.
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Postby Death Metal » Sun Feb 19, 2012 2:46 pm

Wikkiwallana wrote:Taking government services without paying for them is theft. Stop trying to steal from the government.
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Postby Northwest Slobovia » Sun Feb 19, 2012 2:46 pm

Ravineworld wrote:So, NSG, what do you think about income taxes? Illegal, legal, good, bad?

Like all taxes, income taxes are legal by definition: the government makes the laws.

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Postby Alyakia » Sun Feb 19, 2012 2:46 pm

Ovisterra wrote:I suppose the government should just magic money out of the air to pay for the roads, hospitals, and emergency services.

pritivitze the roads
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Postby Salandriagado » Sun Feb 19, 2012 2:46 pm

Theft is, by definition, illegal. Taxes are not.
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Postby Alyakia » Sun Feb 19, 2012 2:47 pm

Filafia wrote:
Ravineworld wrote:Theft by Definition: The act of stealing property.
So, income taxes, are when the government forces you to give up your property. How is that not stealing property?
I believe that taxes are an act of theft. I believe that since theft is illegal, then taxes are illegal.
So, NSG, what do you think about income taxes? Illegal, legal, good, bad?


Haven't you been paying attention? They're SLAVERY now (at least according to some people).

rape. slavery. theft. you'd be truly suprised at how many things confiscation rates can be compared to.
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Postby Wikkiwallana » Sun Feb 19, 2012 2:49 pm

Alyakia wrote:
Filafia wrote:
Haven't you been paying attention? They're SLAVERY now (at least according to some people).

rape. slavery. theft. you'd be truly suprised at how many things confiscation rates can be compared to.

One can compare anything to anything else, that doesn't mean the comparison is meaningful or even correct.
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Postby Alexlantis » Sun Feb 19, 2012 2:49 pm

Taxes are an investment. If you give the government money and they give you education and roads you can use and other stuff back, it's an investment. If they tax you just to take money, then it's theft.

Not that hard of a concept.
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Postby Sibirsky » Sun Feb 19, 2012 2:49 pm

Wikkiwallana wrote:Taking government services without paying for them is theft. Stop trying to steal from the government.

Edit: scratch this, see my new post:
viewtopic.php?p=8489342#p8489342

And if he doesn't use them? What choice does he have in not paying taxes?
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Postby Alyakia » Sun Feb 19, 2012 2:49 pm

beep boop the government makes the laws therefore it is legal. initiating "ignore the other half of the thread that most of the posts are going to be about anyway" protocol.
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Postby Consaria » Sun Feb 19, 2012 2:50 pm

No. People don't complain that they have to pay to live in a house. Why can't a government put charges on living in their country? If you don't want to pay taxes for some reason, you can leave.
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Postby Gravlen » Sun Feb 19, 2012 2:50 pm

Oh Gods, this again?

Ravineworld wrote:Theft by Definition: The act of stealing property.

By what definition? Or, define "stealing" then.
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