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The Murry
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Postby The Murry » Thu Jan 05, 2012 3:37 am

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In the last Australian federal election the Prime Minister said 3 day before the polls opened
"There will be no CARBON TAX under the government I lead"

The election ended in a hung parliment where Julia Gillard remains PM, she maintains power in the house of Reps. with a coaliton of the Labour party, the Greens and 2 independence. In the Senate the greens have the ability to swing a vote in any dirrection they so wish.

During mid last year Julia Gillard informed the people of Australia that there would infact be a Carbon Tax under her government.

Do you think this is ok?
Do you think the Governor General should sack her?
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Postby Meowfoundland » Thu Jan 05, 2012 3:41 am

Is this still fucking going on? I am actually really tired of people whining that someone broke a campaign promise. GET OVER IT. It's happened before, and it will happen again, and if you think the Liberals are any better look up why we have a GST.
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Postby Forster Keys » Thu Jan 05, 2012 3:49 am

The Murry wrote:(Image)
In the last Australian federal election the Prime Minister said 3 day before the polls opened
"There will be no CARBON TAX under the government I lead"

The election ended in a hung parliment where Julia Gillard remains PM, she maintains power in the house of Reps. with a coaliton of the Labour party, the Greens and 2 independence. In the Senate the greens have the ability to swing a vote in any dirrection they so wish.

During mid last year Julia Gillard informed the people of Australia that there would infact be a Carbon Tax under her government.

Do you think this is ok?
Do you think the Governor General should sack her?


If breaking a campaign promise is a sack-worthy (hee hee) event, than I'm hard pressed to find any PM that would have lasted more than a few months. People seem to forget the Howard's "core" and "non-core" promises.
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Postby The Murry » Thu Jan 05, 2012 4:12 am

Meowfoundland wrote:Is this still fucking going on? I am actually really tired of people whining that someone broke a campaign promise. GET OVER IT. It's happened before, and it will happen again, and if you think the Liberals are any better look up why we have a GST.


ahhh, GST Howard admitted he had made a mistake in saying it was a bad idea so he took us to election with GST as a pollicy.
Also I admit that this one lie is not really sack worthy, but when you consider that there has not been a single pollicy success under her government or Mr. Rudd's...
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Postby Forster Keys » Thu Jan 05, 2012 4:15 am

The Murry wrote:
Meowfoundland wrote:Is this still fucking going on? I am actually really tired of people whining that someone broke a campaign promise. GET OVER IT. It's happened before, and it will happen again, and if you think the Liberals are any better look up why we have a GST.


ahhh, GST Howard admitted he had made a mistake in saying it was a bad idea so he took us to election with GST as a pollicy.
Also I admit that this one lie is not really sack worthy, but when you consider that there has not been a single pollicy success under her government or Mr. Rudd's...


Sorry. I've got to give you this old gem.

http://www.awu.net.au/109589607626152_5 ... 0569191203
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Postby Meowfoundland » Thu Jan 05, 2012 4:18 am

The Murry wrote:
Meowfoundland wrote:Is this still fucking going on? I am actually really tired of people whining that someone broke a campaign promise. GET OVER IT. It's happened before, and it will happen again, and if you think the Liberals are any better look up why we have a GST.


ahhh, GST Howard admitted he had made a mistake in saying it was a bad idea so he took us to election with GST as a pollicy.
Also I admit that this one lie is not really sack worthy, but when you consider that there has not been a single pollicy success under her government or Mr. Rudd's...

What are you counting as a success? How much you personally like it, or how well it works? Because my money is on the former.
Forster Keys wrote:Sorry. I've got to give you this old gem.

http://www.awu.net.au/109589607626152_5 ... 0569191203


Nice list. Obviously it's false though, because "the unions are coming back!"

EDIT: Ooh, I forgot about Children Overboard. That one's a keeper, mainly because it showed both parties are made of crap.
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Postby Maladie » Thu Jan 05, 2012 4:29 am

"Campaign promises will only bind whoever trusts them", as the saying goes in France.
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Postby The Murry » Thu Jan 05, 2012 4:31 am

Meowfoundland wrote:
The Murry wrote:
ahhh, GST Howard admitted he had made a mistake in saying it was a bad idea so he took us to election with GST as a pollicy.
Also I admit that this one lie is not really sack worthy, but when you consider that there has not been a single pollicy success under her government or Mr. Rudd's...

What are you counting as a success? How much you personally like it, or how well it works? Because my money is on the former.


most people dislike pollicies that do not work
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Postby Tubbsalot » Thu Jan 05, 2012 4:32 am

The Murry wrote:most people dislike pollicies that do not work

Most people dislike policies which hurt them or which they are ideologically opposed to.

You may note that "which don't work" didn't appear in the above sentence.

Most people don't know enough to judge whether certain policies work.
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Postby Rotovia- » Thu Jan 05, 2012 4:38 am

Here we go again. In a Westminster democracy a government is formed by the monarch or their representative upon it being able to command the support of the majority of the lower house of Parliament. In the event no one grouping of members of parliament (I.E. a political party) has an outright majority, they must assure the Queen or Her representative that they can.

When Australians elected a Parliament where Labor and the Coalition of the Liberals and National could both not form government, both groups were forced to secure the support of independents in order to form government, by convention. Labor obtained the support of the Greens in exchange for upholding what remained ALP policy and assuring passage of emissions pricing and trading measures.

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Postby The Murry » Thu Jan 05, 2012 4:39 am

Tubbsalot wrote:
The Murry wrote:most people dislike pollicies that do not work

Most people dislike policies which hurt them or which they are ideologically opposed to.

You may note that "which don't work" didn't appear in the above sentence.

Most people don't know enough to judge whether certain policies work.


Mate I dare you to do google search on Labour pollicy faliures...
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Postby The Murry » Thu Jan 05, 2012 4:41 am

Rotovia- wrote:Here we go again. In a Westminster democracy a government is formed by the monarch or their representative upon it being able to command the support of the majority of the lower house of Parliament. In the event no one grouping of members of parliament (I.E. a political party) has an outright majority, they must assure the Queen or Her representative that they can.

When Australians elected a Parliament where Labor and the Coalition of the Liberals and National could both not form government, both groups were forced to secure the support of independents in order to form government, by convention. Labor obtained the support of the Greens in exchange for upholding what remained ALP policy and assuring passage of emissions pricing and trading measures.


Is she not leading the government
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Postby Meowfoundland » Thu Jan 05, 2012 4:44 am

The Murry wrote:
Tubbsalot wrote:Most people dislike policies which hurt them or which they are ideologically opposed to.

You may note that "which don't work" didn't appear in the above sentence.

Most people don't know enough to judge whether certain policies work.


Mate I dare you to do google search on Labour pollicy faliures...


Hmmm. I got various Liberal party websites, various Murdoch newspapers, something criticising Tony Abbott, some pages about immigration (I'll give you that both parties fail at immigration) and something about a Taiwanese man named Ma. I'm not seeing what you're seeing, it seems.
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Postby Meowfoundland » Thu Jan 05, 2012 4:45 am

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Rotovia- wrote:Here we go again. In a Westminster democracy a government is formed by the monarch or their representative upon it being able to command the support of the majority of the lower house of Parliament. In the event no one grouping of members of parliament (I.E. a political party) has an outright majority, they must assure the Queen or Her representative that they can.

When Australians elected a Parliament where Labor and the Coalition of the Liberals and National could both not form government, both groups were forced to secure the support of independents in order to form government, by convention. Labor obtained the support of the Greens in exchange for upholding what remained ALP policy and assuring passage of emissions pricing and trading measures.


Is she not leading the government


Who is leading the government, then?
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Meowfoundland wrote:
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Is she not leading the government


Who is leading the government, then?


either; Bob Brown, The Independents, the grey men who knifed Rudd or a mixture of the 3
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Postby Kirrig » Thu Jan 05, 2012 4:49 am

I'd rather broken promises than secret policies.
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Postby Esternial » Thu Jan 05, 2012 4:50 am

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Postby Tubbsalot » Thu Jan 05, 2012 5:08 am

The Murry wrote:Mate I dare you to do google search on Labour pollicy faliures...

I dare you to do a search on Illuminati assassinations.

Then to respond to me in a way which doesn't make me want to sleep.
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Postby Forster Keys » Thu Jan 05, 2012 5:13 am

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Meowfoundland wrote:
Who is leading the government, then?


either; Bob Brown, The Independents, the grey men who knifed Rudd or a mixture of the 3


Read the Greens' policy on their website. Look at how Australia's run. Compare.
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Postby The Murry » Thu Jan 05, 2012 5:28 am

Forster Keys wrote:
The Murry wrote:
either; Bob Brown, The Independents, the grey men who knifed Rudd or a mixture of the 3


Read the Greens' policy on their website. Look at how Australia's run. Compare.


I have tried but I can not seem to find it could you please post a link
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Postby Forster Keys » Thu Jan 05, 2012 5:31 am

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Forster Keys wrote:
Read the Greens' policy on their website. Look at how Australia's run. Compare.


I have tried but I can not seem to find it could you please post a link


Sure can.

http://greens.org.au/policies

For the TLDR version you could also visit wikipedia.
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Postby The Murry » Thu Jan 05, 2012 5:34 am

Forster Keys wrote:
The Murry wrote:
I have tried but I can not seem to find it could you please post a link


Sure can.

http://greens.org.au/policies

For the TLDR version you could also visit wikipedia.


The bit about how Australia is run or the Greens interpritation there of
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Postby Forster Keys » Thu Jan 05, 2012 5:37 am

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Forster Keys wrote:
Sure can.

http://greens.org.au/policies

For the TLDR version you could also visit wikipedia.


The bit about how Australia is run or the Greens interpritation there of


What? You got to do some work yourself you know. See what the Greens think. See how Australia is. See the massive differences.
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Postby Aethelstania » Thu Jan 05, 2012 5:43 am

You cant sack someone for breaking a coalition promise its just outrageous behavior ! However it can be slightly forgiven considering its coalition government. A sign that you should have an electoral system that leads to majority governments ...

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Postby Saint Jade IV » Thu Jan 05, 2012 5:45 am

Forster Keys wrote:
The Murry wrote:
The bit about how Australia is run or the Greens interpritation there of


What? You got to do some work yourself you know. See what the Greens think. See how Australia is. See the massive differences.


Some people don't know what work is you know.

Especially in Australia.
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