[PASSED] Defense of Self and Others

[Alqania]

I voted AGAINST this resolution because of a lack of clarity in the text.

The idea behind the resolution is fantastic, and I agree that it is something that we need passed. However, the problem is it is unclear when or where the self-defense becomes more offensive in nature.

Please, do I have to continually repeat myself? According to international jurisprudence of the real world, so long as a Jury has been convinced that a person only used force to protect himself because he honestly believed that he would be attacked and thus needed to defend himself, and that force was reasonable, then it doesn't matter as to whether the force could be considered as branching into an offence in its own right.

Klause Uliyan
Former Justice of Appeal of the Federal Court of Criminal Appeals
Presidential Counsel
Chief Ambassador and head of the Delegation's Legal Team

"Why is Your Excellency referencing the jurisprudence of a game? Surely the Real World jurisprudence has no bearing on World Assembly member states? In the Queendom, it is certainly only Alqanian legal precedent that is relevant to Alqanian courts of law. Besides, we do not have a jury system."

[Ketchupheinz]

I'm all for self-defence law.. but is it really a matter for the WA? This should be regulated by domestic law of each State...

[Shin Japan]

Opposed. It is impossible to know what the minimal force necessary to defend oneself is, therefore to base a resolution around it is absurd.

I'm agree with this opinion.

[Independent Light Blue]

The Republic of Independent Light Blue proudly supports this motion.

[Parti Ouvrier]

With much discussion, our nation has voted for this resolution.

CJ

[Merfurian]

Please, do I have to continually repeat myself? According to international jurisprudence of the real world, so long as a Jury has been convinced that a person only used force to protect himself because he honestly believed that he would be attacked and thus needed to defend himself, and that force was reasonable, then it doesn't matter as to whether the force could be considered as branching into an offence in its own right.

Klause Uliyan
Former Justice of Appeal of the Federal Court of Criminal Appeals
Presidential Counsel
Chief Ambassador and head of the Delegation's Legal Team

"Why is Your Excellency referencing the jurisprudence of a game? Surely the Real World jurisprudence has no bearing on World Assembly member states? In the Queendom, it is certainly only Alqanian legal precedent that is relevant to Alqanian courts of law. Besides, we do not have a jury system."

It does not matter whether or not you use juries or a bench of judges. We use a mixed system of both case law and codified law, and a mixed system of benches of judges, and juries, yet the jurisprudence I cited forms part of our national law quite easily. The point that I made still applies regardless of what form your judiciary takes.

Dr Klause Uliyan
etc

[Alqania]

"Why is Your Excellency referencing the jurisprudence of a game? Surely the Real World jurisprudence has no bearing on World Assembly member states? In the Queendom, it is certainly only Alqanian legal precedent that is relevant to Alqanian courts of law. Besides, we do not have a jury system."

It does not matter whether or not you use juries or a bench of judges. We use a mixed system of both case law and codified law, and a mixed system of benches of judges, and juries, yet the jurisprudence I cited forms part of our national law quite easily. The point that I made still applies regardless of what form your judiciary takes.

Dr Klause Uliyan
etc

Lord Raekevik responded in a tone of slight irritation. "My point was that the cited jurisprudence is irrelevant since it is entirely fictional."

((OOC: The Real World does not exist ICly as anything else than a work of fiction.))

[Alterrea]

First of all, this resolution provides a definition of "reasonable force" that uses both the words "reasonable" and "force" in the definition. Granted, we surely can understand what force is, but what criteria precisely determine what is reasonable?

Both the International Law Bureau of the External Relations Ministry and the Comparative Law Bureau of the Justice and Police Ministry agree on the issue raised by the Permanent Representative of the Mental Asylum Party State.
Therefore, consisting the Proposal of Resolution in a legal non sense, the Community will vote AGAINST.

[Pacificly]

This resolution is an jobs killer. My economy is dominted by the Arms Manufacturing Industry. And if I have to Make my Arm Forces smaller jops well have to be cut.

[Zaklen]

"PLACES the duty of ascertaining whether the force used in such situations was reasonable or not in the hands of the judiciary."

As a former voting member-state of the WA, Zaklen would like to point out that because of the last line, this proposal could do absolutely nothing if a nation's government so desired. Since we are considering rejoining the WA, I will state that my first act if we do so, will be to get this repealed so that a more suitable replacement can be drafted.

[Retired WerePenguins]

Ladies and gentlemen,

I am honestly annoyed. I can't really find anything exceptionally witty or insulting to say. While I don't feel like jumping up and down proclaiming that either this is the greatest thing since sliced tuna or that it is evil incarnate, I firmly believe that this is a very reasonable proposal and that it might actually be a good thing if it were to pass.

I am actually glad that this will pass.

[Quelesh]

I congratulate my Ossitanian colleage for the passage of this worthy resolution.

Alexandria Yadoru
Quelesian WA ambassador

[Paper Flowers]

This resolution is an jobs killer. My economy is dominted by the Arms Manufacturing Industry. And if I have to Make my Arm Forces smaller jops well have to be cut.

Nothing in this resolution has anything to do with your Armed Forces, nor is there anything herein that would require you to cut down on Arms Manufacturing. Might I suggest the ambassador take the time to read and understand the matter of the resolution? (Self Defence)

We would also like to take this chance to congratulate the Ambassdor for Ossitania on the passing of this resolution.

[Dukopolious]

Congratulations to the delegate from Ossitania! We are happy to congratulate you and hope this resolution is never repealed.

[United Celts]

"The Kingdom offers its congratulations to Ambassador McGregor and the Independent Commonwealth of Ossitania," said Ambassador Mac Lochlainn, "for seeing the passage of a well-written and incredibly important resolution. On behalf of the Kingdom of United Celts and the Region of Exshaw, I am proud to have voted in favor."