Choosing lesbianism.

[Seibertron]

I learnt a very important lesson. I don't hate extremists...I love them, their comments are so fucking hilarious!

[The Yremia Corporate]

Personally, I don't care who the O.P is attracted to or not.

But the idea that sexual orientation is a "choice" should be a welcome one to Westboro Baptist, Pat Robertson and the rest of the religious right. "See? The gays really can be cured, if they want to be." This is a big part, though only a part, of why I don't like political lesbianism.

How fucking dare you imply that my God would give anyone the choice to be gay. Truly disgusting and offensive.

NO! he didn't give them a choice, such a dirty thing. Nope, he made them gay and proud (and slightly camp).

Btw this is from a Christian so I will use my religion to bash you now OP!

[Femnipotent]

I understand what you're getting at but you can't hate men because they're men. That's misandry.

I chose to love women, I do not chose to hate men.

Are lesbians misandrists because they do not want to have sex with men? No?

Then how am I suddenly a misandrist?

There are confusing claims here...one that I cannot choose, and two that if I do I am hateful whereas people who do not choose are...not?

[The Aryan Nations]

Since it is primarily an ideological choice on my part so far, until I can reprogram myself better, I think the 'ism' makes sense.

Reprogram , while I have a materialistic view and my fondness for robots. Humans cannot simply be reprogrammed if you were does that mean you were programmed to be straight originally?

it just so happens that they can...

[Polruan]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/ ... -gayrights

When Julie Bindel agrees with you, you know you're doing something wrong…

[Beldonia]

It's starting to look like Femnipotents last 3 threads...

Ignore anyone who disagrees, make insane claims, announce she will become a lesbian, denounce all males, denounce all female that dont denounce all males, like I said earlier, somebody TG me when she gets to how while lesbians are also the enemy too...

THE LESBIANS! THEY LOVE THINGS! ARRRRRGH! THERES NO LOVE IN A PERFECT WORLD! is how I imagine her discovery.

Alright, cut it out.

[JustinusCaesar]

This thread is starting to look a lot like four-sided's last thread. Is anyone else noticing this or is it just me?

It's starting to look like Femnipotents last 3 threads...

Ignore anyone who disagrees, make insane claims, announce she will become a lesbian, denounce all males, denounce all female that dont denounce all males, like I said earlier, somebody TG me when she gets to how while lesbians are also the enemy too...

I was unaware of this being a routine occurrence.

And she already has.

[The Yremia Corporate]

I understand what you're getting at but you can't hate men because they're men. That's misandry.

I chose to love women, I do not chose to hate men.

Are lesbians misandrists because they do not want to have sex with men? No?

Then how am I suddenly a misandrist?

There are confusing claims here...one that I cannot choose, and two that if I do I am hateful whereas people who do not choose are...not?

Lol, she can't even remember her own posts, how sweet.

[GeneralHaNor]

I'm not a woman, but I don't think that sexuality is a choice. I think, especially for gay/lesbian/bisexual individuals, it's rather a denial of one's instincts and a fear of potential consequences that force us to make conscious choices in retaliation to our sexuality. But I feel the fact remains that sexuality is natural and no matter how many processes or denials one goes through, the nature of one's sexuality cannot be changed.

Even if is true that the 'nature of one's sexuality cannot be changed', certainly your expression of it can. I do not want to be involved with men even though I was trained to want that. I choose now to only form romantic relationships with women. Somehow that is portrayed as being some sort of awful choice. There are plenty of very unhappy people in relationships with people they are sexually oriented towards, so it is not as though your sexuality guarantees you anything except a propensity to find certain things attractive.

...I find myself agreeing with you.

It's why I only form relationships with women I find physically unattractive, it reduces competition for affection, and simplifies my relationships to be only about the mental and emotional.

Also, Sexual Fluidity is a thing, I also don't buy the line "You can't change your sexuality" I've been switch hitting my entire life, even though I primarily am attracted to females romantically and physically (while being attracted to men mentally)

[Avenio]

Why of all things must sexuality be set in stone and like Eskimos all we do is uncover the true form? I think I can carve something different.

I don't think anyone is arguing that sexual orientation is wholly about one's genetic/epigenetic makeup and is predetermined, but rather that there is a biological component to it that consciously choosing a sexuality overlooks. Love is another example of this; the most commonly-held notion about love is that it's organically-emergent and relatively spontaneous. Related to this, there's a host of hormones and other biological factors that drive the emotion called 'love' that we are not consciously in control of. Sexual attraction, an important component in love, is similarly chemically-derived and is not inherently-choice driven; most people can't, as Hydesland said, make themselves attracted to cardboard box, for instance.

The issue, I gather, with your choice to delve into lesbianism is that you're bending your pre-existing sexual attraction into unnatural shapes; you stated expressly in the OP that you chose to become a lesbian not because you believe that you love or are sexually-attracted to women, but because it is an ideologically-appropriate 'next step' in your pursuit of the feminist ideal. A polar-opposite example would be a right-wing conservative gay man 'choosing' to be a heterosexual because it disagreed with his religion or his philosophy. Similarly, your choice ignores or attempts to alter the biological component of love and sexual attraction, and, because of that, you may not be completely happy with your choice or potentially not be satisfying to any potential partners you have.

[The Yremia Corporate]

THE LESBIANS! THEY LOVE THINGS! ARRRRRGH! THERES NO LOVE IN A PERFECT WORLD! is how I imagine her discovery.

Alright, cut it out.

Pardon, I did not realise I was annoying you, terribly sorry. or am I? no seriously I'm sorry. or am I? yes, yes I am.

[Copenhagen Metropolis]

You can't choose to be a lesbian

Defining homosexuality:

Wikipedia.org; Homosexuality is romantic and/or sexual attraction or behavior between members of the same sex or gender.
Merriam-Webster's Medical Dictionary; 1. the quality or state of being homosexual - 2. erotic activity with another of the same sex /Homosexual: 1. of, relating to, or characterized by a tendency to direct sexual desire toward another of the same sex - 2. of, relating to, or involving sexual intercourse between persons of the same sex.
The American Heritage® Dictionary; 1. Sexual orientation to persons of the same sex. 2. Sexual activity with another of the same sex.
Collins English Dictionary; (Psychology) sexual attraction to or sexual relations with members of the same sex.
Random House Dictionary; sexual desire or behavior directed toward a person or persons of one's own sex.

So, I guess you can.

[Seibertron]

I understand what you're getting at but you can't hate men because they're men. That's misandry.

I chose to love women, I do not chose to hate men.

Oh so you believe homosexuality is a choice but hating people is not. Hmm where is your empirical evidence and your proof?

Are lesbians misandrists because they do not want to have sex with men? No?

Then how am I suddenly a misandrist?

There are confusing claims here...one that I cannot choose, and two that if I do I am hateful whereas people who do not choose are...not?

You've been a misandrist as far as I know, lesbianism is not misandry but you are misandrist.

[Sedgistan]

Locked for review.

[Sedgistan]

Enter the mangina, womens latest slave, after the caveman. Being unbelievably ignorant of truth they seek only sex and will bow down to women and try to enforce their sick ideology onto others pretending that it is good.

What a sad, sad life.

I'm sorry, fuck you. We lived in a very natural state for a long time and strangely enough men fought and hunted, women raised and gathered and both led. So here is me looking forward to your next argument:

A mockumentary (can't remember the name but it was funny) and OP bashing.

These were just a few of your actionable posts. Take a *** warning for flaming and flamebaiting ***.

Onto the actual thread itself - it's OK to mention personal experiences in NSG threads, to provide background to an issue - but this is little more than a blog with a "What do you think?" attached to the end. iLock.