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Postby Roman Catholic Church » Thu Feb 02, 2012 5:52 am

This is wrong! Suicide is not right no matter how you look at! It's disrespectful to life and all that it means to be human! This must be repelled! (if it's not to late.)

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Postby Campinia » Thu Feb 02, 2012 6:05 am

Roman Catholic Church wrote:This is wrong! Suicide is not right no matter how you look at! It's disrespectful to life and all that it means to be human! This must be repelled! (if it's not to late.)

It is, unless you manage to write a succesful repeal. Seeing the massive support this proposal got, don't count on it.
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Postby The Rich Port » Thu Feb 02, 2012 8:41 am

Roman Catholic Church wrote:This is wrong! Suicide is not right no matter how you look at! It's disrespectful to life and all that it means to be human! This must be repelled! (if it's not to late.)


The World seems to disagree with you.

I would say "Get used to it", but The Rich Port seems to sometimes define the WA in terms of beliefs and practices.
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Postby Cowardly Pacifists » Thu Feb 02, 2012 12:10 pm

Roman Catholic Church wrote:This is wrong! Suicide is not right no matter how you look at! It's disrespectful to life and all that it means to be human! This must be repelled! (if it's not to late.)

Luckily this wasn't a "Suicide Appreciation Act." Nations are not now required to celebrate or encourage suicide. The Act just acknowledges that the decision to commit suicide isn't necessarily a "criminal" one - in the same way that it is criminal to decide to rob a bank or shoot your spouse.

Though I agree that a well-worded moral argument may persuade some that this should be repealed, the thing just passed with a landslide. I think this is one of those resolutions that you may just have to live with or leave the WA over.

Granted, many of the Theocracies of the WA received quite a blow to their national sovereignty with the passage of this act...
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Postby Unibot II » Thu Feb 02, 2012 12:28 pm

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"I can only wager a guess that Jimmy Stewart was a reformed criminal in Bears Armed," said Eduard with a sneer.


"Such a limited imagination, it seems... and combined with such blatant unconcern even for the emotional impact that a person committing suicide would have on their kinsfolk and friends, let alone how that self-slaughter might harm their prospects in the afterlife?
"Hwhat truly lurks behind your Human-seeming guise,
Mr Heir? A computer? Or maybeso a zombie? It clearly isn't any type of being that possesses a soul..."

"I pity you, I hrreally do..."



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"If this is all about one's prospects in Bearie Heaven; surely the threat of Bearie Hell would deter little bears from committing suicide more so than some ridiculous incarceration in a Bearie Penitentiary? Besides dropping the honey, one of the few things that this little criminal bear would have to think about in Bearie Prison would be suicide. I question the impact that becoming a criminal and being sent to prison away from one's family would have on their Bearie kinsfolk and friends and I further question why on Earth should the government be criminalizing bears on the basis that their actions will ruin their prospects of getting in Bearie Heaven when that would seem to me to be an individual bear's choice. Surely a bear should have the freedom to decide whether a bear wants to go to Bearie Heaven or Bearie Hell!? Or else being in Bearie Heaven doesn't mean much, they would simply be a civilization of Obedient bears, not a crowd of necessarily Virtuous bears," said Eduard.
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Postby Embolalia » Thu Feb 02, 2012 3:11 pm

Roman Catholic Church wrote:This is wrong! Suicide is not right no matter how you look at! It's disrespectful to life and all that it means to be human! This must be repelled! (if it's not to late.)

Yes! You should repel it! Of course, given the support it got, it won't go anywhere. So that repellent force will just shove you away, away from the World Assembly until we don't have to deal with you anymore.

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Postby Linux and the X » Thu Feb 02, 2012 6:54 pm

Cowardly Pacifists wrote:Luckily this wasn't a "Suicide Appreciation Act."

There we go!
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Postby Libraria and Ausitoria » Fri Feb 03, 2012 12:18 am

May we congratulate Unibot II for their success?

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Postby The Rich Port » Fri Feb 03, 2012 6:56 am

Libraria and Ausitoria wrote:May we congratulate Unibot II for their success?


NO. Because Uni allowed people who probably thought a lot about ending their lives in order to end their pain and/or their burden on their healthy family members a guarantee that they and said family members won't be thrown in a prison for trying! >:(

And, also, because Uni also gave a guarantee of zero stupid prison time for people who clearly have problems and need professional psychological help, and not be treated as the equals of murderers, rapists, and gangsters! >:(

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Postby The Eternal Kawaii » Fri Feb 03, 2012 9:01 pm

Unibot II wrote:Surely a bear should have the freedom to decide whether a bear wants to go to Bearie Heaven or Bearie Hell!? Or else being in Bearie Heaven doesn't mean much, they would simply be a civilization of Obedient bears, not a crowd of necessarily Virtuous bears," said Eduard.


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Postby Bears Armed » Sat Feb 04, 2012 8:52 am

Unibot II wrote:
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"Such a limited imagination, it seems... and combined with such blatant unconcern even for the emotional impact that a person committing suicide would have on their kinsfolk and friends, let alone how that self-slaughter might harm their prospects in the afterlife?
"Hwhat truly lurks behind your Human-seeming guise,
Mr Heir? A computer? Or maybeso a zombie? It clearly isn't any type of being that possesses a soul..."

"I pity you, I hrreally do..."



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"If this is all about one's prospects in Bearie Heaven; surely the threat of Bearie Hell would deter little bears from committing suicide more so than some ridiculous incarceration in a Bearie Penitentiary? Besides dropping the honey, one of the few things that this little criminal bear would have to think about in Bearie Prison would be suicide. I question the impact that becoming a criminal and being sent to prison away from one's family would have on their Bearie kinsfolk and friends and I further question why on Earth should the government be criminalizing bears on the basis that their actions will ruin their prospects of getting in Bearie Heaven when that would seem to me to be an individual bear's choice. Surely a bear should have the freedom to decide whether a bear wants to go to Bearie Heaven or Bearie Hell!? Or else being in Bearie Heaven doesn't mean much, they would simply be a civilization of Obedient bears, not a crowd of necessarily Virtuous bears," said Eduard.


"Oh, I'm not hrreally too worried about our people. Suicide is a pretty rare ocurrence amongst Ursines, and probably would be anyhows even for any Ursines who don't follow one faith or another -- or maybeso two, or even three, faiths simultaneously -- as almost all of us do, because we tend to be too stubborn to just hrroll over and die. And, as you say, people should be free to make their own choices of salvation or damnation, although naturally I hope that they would prefer the former and that most people who truly believe in any faith according to whose teachings suicide is a sin would be wise enough in most cases to make the hrright decisions.
"But now think of those people who don't
fully believe in any faith, who maybeso -- bearing in mind how outright hostile to religion some nations' governments are -- might not even have been exposed to any faith's teachings on the first paw: The fact that they themselves do not believe in any Higher Powers doesn't necessarily mean that no Higher Powers are interested in them, after all, and so even they are likely to be subject to post-mortality judgement for their actions -- maybeso by the Powers associated with, and according to the rules of, the last faith that any of their ancestors followed -- too. And as forbidding national governments from trying to deter suicide makes suicide a bit easier, and therefore probably a bit more likely to occur, people who are tempted to commit suicide might then face supernatural punishment that far exceeds whatever mundane penalties those governments would otherwise threaten them with. Think of the poor agnostics and atheists!"

"Oh, and before you ask hwhat business those hypothetical foreigners' spiritual welfare is of mine...
"Back hwhen
Artos Ursios was still known only as a travelling preacher in the southern parts of the island of Bruttain, before His death on the stake and subsequent miraculous resurrection revealed Him to be truly the son of the Great Bear, there was an occasion when one bear from his audience asked Him to discuss the fourth of the Eight Instructions: 'Bear shall be true to Kin', asking Him "Who, then, are my Kin?" And Artos Ursios replied unto that sceptic with the 'Parable of the Generous Brock', ending with the statement "And therefore you should treat all people of every kind as Kin". And as I myself am an Ursion, that is hwhy the spiritual welfare of those foreigners is a part of my business."



Artorrios o SouthWoods,
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OOC: If any of your characters actually bother to check in a copy of the Ursions' scriptures, they'll find that the 'Parable of the Generous Brock' there is verrry similar to the Christian 'Parable of the Good Samaritan'...)
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Postby Dukopolious » Sun Feb 05, 2012 10:44 am

Is there a repeal for this somewhere?

Plus, this would encourage suicide. Perhaps treating suicide as some sort of mental illness related to advanced forms of depression?
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