is war human nature?

[Bellum est nox noctis]

do you think war is human nature? The first human remains found had spear tips in their stomach, bodies in campfires, we've been fighting and killing each other since the dawn of time, so is it merely human nature to kill and fight? Are we bred for war?

[North Suran]

Since it does not exist anywhere else in the Animal Kingdom; yes.

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[Secruss]

Since it does not exist anywhere else in the Animal Kingdom; yes.

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Ants. And dolphins kill for fun.

[Lunatic Goofballs]

do you think war is human nature? The first human remains found had spear tips in their stomach, bodies in campfires, we've been fighting and killing each other since the dawn of time, so is it merely human nature to kill and fight? Are we bred for war?

Slavery was also of human nature. Human nature can change.

[Reagan States]

Since it does not exist anywhere else in the Animal Kingdom; yes.

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Animals fight all the time though. They just don't have the intelligence to organize like humans, so I guess you couldn't really call it "war."

[North Suran]

Since it does not exist anywhere else in the Animal Kingdom; yes.

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Ants. And dolphins kill for fun.

Violence =/= War.

The definition of war is "a reciprocated, armed conflict, between two or more non-congruous entities, aimed at reorganising a subjectively designed, geo-politically desired result".

Can you honestly say that what is described by the above exists anywhere in the Animal Kingdom?

[Secruss]

The ants enslave the loser, so yes.

[Bellum est nox noctis]

Ants invade oposing colonies with the sole purpoe to destroy. And in rgards to slavery, the chains may be gone, but there are still slaves.

[Asi Mandu]

Since it does not exist anywhere else in the Animal Kingdom; yes.

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Ants. And dolphins kill for fun.

Chimps, gorillas, lions, etc., etc....

[Farnhamia]

do you think war is human nature? The first human remains found had spear tips in their stomach, bodies in campfires, we've been fighting and killing each other since the dawn of time, so is it merely human nature to kill and fight? Are we bred for war?

What "first human remains found"?

[Hairless Kitten II]

Since it does not exist anywhere else in the Animal Kingdom; yes.

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No, you are wrong.

Some time ago, there was a huge chimp war going on in Africa.

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In 1998, researchers in Uganda saw a group of male chimpanzees beating on and swaggering around another male chimp’s freshly killed body. Its windpipe, fingernails and testicles were torn out.

http://www.world-science.net/exclusives ... warfrm.htm

He heard screams and the sound of something being pounded. He ran through the forest towards the noise; when he burst into a clearing he saw 10 chimpanzees had captured and killed another.
"The pounding that they were doing was on his body. The front of the chimpanzee was covered with 30 or 40 puncture wounds and lacerations, the ribs were sticking up out of the rib cage because they had beaten on his chest so hard. They had ripped his trachea out, they had removed his testicles, they had torn off toenails and fingernails. It was clear that some of the males had held him down, while the others attacked."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/scie ... genes.html

[The Machine Imperium]

The first human remains that were found were of hunter-gatherers. And by 'first human' do you mean homo sapien or a pre-sapien sate of evolution?

[North Suran]

Since it does not exist anywhere else in the Animal Kingdom; yes.

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No, you are wrong.

Some time ago, there was a huge chimp war going on in Africa.

/thread is open again.

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http://www.world-science.net/exclusives ... warfrm.htm

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/scie ... genes.html

Once again, violence =/= war.

[Reagan States]

I would say war is the nature of intelligence. Any species that is intelligent to organize has the ability to, so will inevitably, partake in war. On Earth, only humans are that smart.

[Saint Clair Island]

It's irrelevant as to whether war is or is not "human nature", since the term "human nature" is utterly meaningless.

[North Wiedna]

The art of war is of vital importance to the State

I think that simplifies it.

[Bellum est nox noctis]

siteing the first human remains:






http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80bea ... nderthals/

Our cromagnan ancester commited possible genocide to eradicate the neaderthals, they invaded europe from africa, i believe that shows that war is what we do.

[Hairless Kitten II]

Since it does not exist anywhere else in the Animal Kingdom; yes.

/thread

No, you are wrong.

Some time ago, there was a huge chimp war going on in Africa.

/thread is open again.

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http://www.world-science.net/exclusives ... warfrm.htm

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/scie ... genes.html

Once again, violence =/= war.

The chimps fight culture wars, too
http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/s ... ioncode=31

[Farnhamia]

siteing the first human remains:

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80bea ... nderthals/

Our cromagnan ancester commited possible genocide to eradicate the neaderthals, they invaded europe from africa, i believe that shows that war is what we do.

Uhm ... no:

Although evidence of a human-Neanderthal murder remains scant, another Neanderthal skeleton dating back some 36,000 years and found in France showed signs of a scalp injury likely caused by a sharp object that may have been delivered by a modern human at the time, [lead author Steven] Churchill said. “So if the Shanidar 3 case is also a case of inter-specific violence and if Shandiar 3 overlaps in time with modern humans, we’re beginning to get a little bit of a pattern here,” Churchill said [LiveScience]. More-exact carbon dating of the remains could provide stronger evidence for Neandercide, since Shanidar 3 is estimated to have lived between 50,000 and 75,000 years ago; modern humans began to spread around 50,000 years ago.

Two possible cases, and Shanidar 3 is dated to a range of 25,000 years, at the end of which range "modern human began to spread." Not exactly the kind of forensic evidence Gil Grissom would take to court.

You say "invaded" as if the Cro-Magnons were gathered in North Africa and the Middle East, waiting to climb into canoes and hide-covered landing craft, listening to a skin-clad ancestor of George Patton giving a rousing speech about making the other bastard die for his cave. That's not what happened. The Homo Sapiens entry into Europe was slow and over millenia, a gradual movement of small bands of people following game and water-courses, spreading out over the landscape. I'm not saying that when they encountered Neanderthals they might not have reacted violently to them. It's quite possible they did, but it was hardly an invasion that slaughtered the Neanderthals the way Genghis Khan and the boys swept across Central Asia into Europe.

The thing is, we don't really know why the Neanderthals became extinct. Competition for H. sapiens, changing climate removing their favored prey animals, who knows? War as "what we do," though? I think not.

[Call to power]

it seems to be pretty universal (though I'm sure there is some native tribe out there just to fuck with us like the people in goddamn Siberia that don't have stress) so I guess it is

shit happens

[Heronfield]

I don't think war or violence is fundamentally a part of human nature, or at least not ever human. I think is is a part of human culture, the difference being circumstance.

[Pedoka]

Packs of Wolves (nations) will attack other packs if they cross into their territory, they will also attempt to expand their range when they run low on resources... War is perfectly natural.

[First Federation]

There will always be someone fighting about something.

[Bellum est nox noctis]

by invade i mean emigrate forcefuly, not military invasion, invade probabbly wasnt the best choice of word, but i think a forceful emigration is similar to an invasion, much like how eurpean colonists forcefully emigrated into north america.

[Call to power]

I don't think war or violence is fundamentally a part of human nature, or at least not ever human. I think is is a part of human culture, the difference being circumstance.

but then you would have isolated cultures like those found in the Americas being peaceful only they weren't