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[PASSED] Repeal "Commend Mikeswill"

Postby A mean old man » Sun Oct 30, 2011 7:29 pm

REPEAL "COMMEND MIKESWILL"

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The World Assembly,

RECOGNIZING the long time span over which the nation of Mikeswill has managed to remain delegate of its own region and finding such a duration of time to be somewhat impressive,

BELIEVING that the extensive length of time that Mikeswill has spent as delegate of the region called "Nationstates" is due in part to the fact that the delegate of the region has never been democratically elected, is thanks to the key role which defenders played in preventing the invasion of the region on September 10, 2010, and is partly due to Mikeswill's long-held invader ties,

IDENTIFYING "The Highlander 1" as a nation which was secretly controlled by the administration of Mikeswill and further identifying The Highlander 1 as a member of the notorious invader group DEN and as the founder of the invader hideout Ile de France,

NOTING the strong position against the World Assembly Security Council which Mikeswill maintained for many years, and noting the nation's constant appearances in the WASC forums not to debate or to aid others, but to place a previously prepared message within the discussion on the resolution at vote which did not address the topic of the debate but rather advertised the nation's region, criticized what the nation believed to be defenders' "cowardice" for resorting to liberations when a region was captured by raiders, and which generally put down the Security Council itself,

FURTHER NOTING that, while the nation of Mikeswill has supposedly stood against every function of the Security Council since the council was established as a legitimate division of the World Assembly, the nation has not had the modesty to refrain from approving various proposals to commend itself over the years, and believing this choice to be rather hypocritical and distasteful,

DETERMINING that, based on this knowledge, Mikeswill might not be the best candidate for a commendation which praises the nation's alleged "dedicated service to the World Assembly,"

FURTHER BELIEVING that calling Mikeswill "one of the most dedicated nations in the world" is a nice gesture, but when such a grand claim is barely backed up by a resolution's text the World Assembly must disregard the claim and not allow such vague ideas to influence the WA's collective opinion,

HEREBY REPEALS the commendation of Mikeswill.


Co-authored by Wordy.


AMOM's screenies:

9/9/11
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9/10/11
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9/12/11
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9/13/11
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Sept 14th
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A: SC#16 - Repeal "Liberate The Security Council"
A: SC#26 - Commend The Joint Systems Alliance
A: SC#30 - Commend 10000 Islands
A: SC#37 - Condemn NAZI EUROPE
A: SC#38 - Repeal "Condemn NAZI EUROPE"
A: GA#149 - On Expiration Dates
C: SC#58 - Repeal "Commend Sedgistan"
A: SC#62 - Repeal "Condemn Swarmlandia"
C: SC#63 - Commend Ballotonia
A: SC#65 - Condemn Punk Reloaded
C: GA#163 - Repeal "Law of the Sea"
A: SC#72 - Repeal "Commend Mikeswill"
C: SC#74 - Condemn Lone Wolves United
C: SC#76 - Repeal "Condemn Thatcherton"
A: SC#81 - Repeal "Condemn Anthony Delasanta"
C: SC#83 - Condemn Automagfreek
C: SC#84 - Repeal "Liberate Islam"
C: SC#111 - Commend Krulltopia

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Postby Metania » Sun Oct 30, 2011 11:31 pm

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Postby Unibot II » Mon Oct 31, 2011 2:02 pm

I loved it when I saw Mikeswill commended.. I'd love to see it taken away too. I think Kenny has a smiley that would appropriately demonstrate my own brand of sinister evil: Image
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Postby The Republic of Lanos » Mon Oct 31, 2011 2:24 pm

For.

On a related note, can we finally condemn DEN or did they already get one?

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A: SC#16 - Repeal "Liberate The Security Council"
A: SC#26 - Commend The Joint Systems Alliance
A: SC#30 - Commend 10000 Islands
A: SC#37 - Condemn NAZI EUROPE
A: SC#38 - Repeal "Condemn NAZI EUROPE"
A: GA#149 - On Expiration Dates
C: SC#58 - Repeal "Commend Sedgistan"
A: SC#62 - Repeal "Condemn Swarmlandia"
C: SC#63 - Commend Ballotonia
A: SC#65 - Condemn Punk Reloaded
C: GA#163 - Repeal "Law of the Sea"
A: SC#72 - Repeal "Commend Mikeswill"
C: SC#74 - Condemn Lone Wolves United
C: SC#76 - Repeal "Condemn Thatcherton"
A: SC#81 - Repeal "Condemn Anthony Delasanta"
C: SC#83 - Condemn Automagfreek
C: SC#84 - Repeal "Liberate Islam"
C: SC#111 - Commend Krulltopia

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Update: Wordy's screenies are now in the OP. They put mine to shame.
A: SC#16 - Repeal "Liberate The Security Council"
A: SC#26 - Commend The Joint Systems Alliance
A: SC#30 - Commend 10000 Islands
A: SC#37 - Condemn NAZI EUROPE
A: SC#38 - Repeal "Condemn NAZI EUROPE"
A: GA#149 - On Expiration Dates
C: SC#58 - Repeal "Commend Sedgistan"
A: SC#62 - Repeal "Condemn Swarmlandia"
C: SC#63 - Commend Ballotonia
A: SC#65 - Condemn Punk Reloaded
C: GA#163 - Repeal "Law of the Sea"
A: SC#72 - Repeal "Commend Mikeswill"
C: SC#74 - Condemn Lone Wolves United
C: SC#76 - Repeal "Condemn Thatcherton"
A: SC#81 - Repeal "Condemn Anthony Delasanta"
C: SC#83 - Condemn Automagfreek
C: SC#84 - Repeal "Liberate Islam"
C: SC#111 - Commend Krulltopia

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Postby Southern Bellz » Mon Oct 31, 2011 6:03 pm

I do not support this at all.

I have no problem saying I consider Mikeswill one of the most under-rated players in the game. I don't think there is any player that can claim his success while existing outside of the traditional 'players' in NS. What he HAS built in the region NationStates, is partly what I attempted to build in The South Pacific. The region is very pro-game play, and from what I have seen in my diplomatic dealings with the region, is one of the few regions that is not filled with the traditional NS influences.

I think the best example of this is the WFE of NationStates.

Welcome to NationStates, aiming to become one of the strongest ranking regions.[b Pro-Economy, Pro-Society, Pro-WA, Pro-Peace; Join our glory! Above all, freedom for all nations to control their own destinies in a region free from war.

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The first bold part the pro-game play stance. I, on purpose, bold how the region is against the WASC. I do not think being against actions of WASC is anti-gameplay. They have looked at what the WASC has done, and do not support it. I agree with that to a certain extent, because the WASC has the ability to ignore regional politics and drags the traditional influences of the game to have a say in something they historically would not have. I could see why a region that has a true neutral stance does not like a system that could potentially allow outsiders have a say in how their region or any region is run.

The second bold part of the quote shows NationStates, and I would assume, by extension Mikeswill's political stance in the scope of the invader/defender game. As the resolution claims, part of the region he has maintained power is smart foreign policy.

As far as personal dealings, I had some dealing with Mikeswill as delegate of The South Pacific, and I found him very open to work with, and one of THE most pro-gameplay players in the game.

I think this stake-out on Highlander and Mikeswill is borderline insanity. Part of it is the fact that Mikeswill is Highlander1, and Highlander1 is a member of the NS raider group DEN. I really find it hard to believe that someone who has been a WA delegate for 7+ years is an active invader in any capacity. If anything maintaining relations with invaders is an intelligent way to protect your founderless region. Doing the opposite makes you a target to invasion. Plus, he must have some relations with defenders if they are willing to defend him.

So is a key part of this repeal really saying that someone should not maintain relations with raiders to avoid invasion? I am starting to see why Mikeswill would not like the WASC, what is the WASC to say how a region should protect itself? On top of this IDF is another great region in my eyes. I have always been found of regions that talk frequently about gameplay happenings, and that is what IDF is.

Kinda tired, and finding myself with a wall of text already.

Just my 2cents.

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Postby A mean old man » Mon Oct 31, 2011 6:18 pm

Southern Bellz wrote:The second bold part of the quote shows NationStates, and I would assume, by extension Mikeswill's political stance in the scope of the invader/defender game. As the resolution claims, part of the region he has maintained power is smart foreign policy.


"Smart" is not necessarily commendable. His policy/tactics are sneaky and have relied on the aid of powers which engage in nefarious activity elsewhere.

As far as personal dealings, I had some dealing with Mikeswill as delegate of The South Pacific, and I found him very open to work with, and one of THE most pro-gameplay players in the game.


You've obviously never had to speak with him about the WASC. :roll:
Tying into my last point, while he may be "pro-gameplay," he might not be what the gameplaying community considers a commendable figure. Sure, he supposedly supports both the defender community and the raider community (while being strongly involved in the latter), but does that mean he should be commended for that supposed stance?

I think this stake-out on Highlander and Mikeswill is borderline insanity. Part of it is the fact that Mikeswill is Highlander1, and Highlander1 is a member of the NS raider group DEN. I really find it hard to believe that someone who has been a WA delegate for 7+ years is an active invader in any capacity. If anything maintaining relations with invaders is an intelligent way to protect your founderless region. Doing the opposite makes you a target to invasion. Plus, he must have some relations with defenders if they are willing to defend him.


It is highly possible that Highlander maintains strong connections with the DEN, aids the organization, but does not actively raid. Wordy and I observed the login times of the two nations of Mikeswill and The Highlander 1 for over a month: on over a dozen occasions the two nations logged on in perfect succession, and their writing style (somewhat messy and muddled) is extremely similar. It is very likely that they are controlled by the same person.

So is a key part of this repeal really saying that someone should not maintain relations with raiders to avoid invasion? I am starting to see why Mikeswill would not like the WASC, what is the WASC to say how a region should protect itself? On top of this IDF is another great region in my eyes. I have always been found of regions that talk frequently about gameplay happenings, and that is what IDF is.


This repeal is attacking the resolution for being exaggerated and hypocritical and is targeting Mikeswill's questionable attitude and activity. As I said, he might be a good gameplayer, but so are a number of raiders; they don't get commended for what they do. It's the way the SC works.
A: SC#16 - Repeal "Liberate The Security Council"
A: SC#26 - Commend The Joint Systems Alliance
A: SC#30 - Commend 10000 Islands
A: SC#37 - Condemn NAZI EUROPE
A: SC#38 - Repeal "Condemn NAZI EUROPE"
A: GA#149 - On Expiration Dates
C: SC#58 - Repeal "Commend Sedgistan"
A: SC#62 - Repeal "Condemn Swarmlandia"
C: SC#63 - Commend Ballotonia
A: SC#65 - Condemn Punk Reloaded
C: GA#163 - Repeal "Law of the Sea"
A: SC#72 - Repeal "Commend Mikeswill"
C: SC#74 - Condemn Lone Wolves United
C: SC#76 - Repeal "Condemn Thatcherton"
A: SC#81 - Repeal "Condemn Anthony Delasanta"
C: SC#83 - Condemn Automagfreek
C: SC#84 - Repeal "Liberate Islam"
C: SC#111 - Commend Krulltopia

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Postby Klaus Devestatorie » Mon Oct 31, 2011 6:19 pm

You didn't know that Mikeswill was The Highlander? :eyebrow:
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Postby Kanaia » Mon Oct 31, 2011 6:50 pm

He made a deal with the devil to keep control of his personal region.
Simultaneously he used his endorsements and power to obstruct others attempting to regain control of their own region through the SC.
He also used, and continues to use his puppet "The Highlander 1" to go around congratulating raiders as they wrest control of a region from its natives.


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Postby Crushing Our Enemies » Mon Oct 31, 2011 7:10 pm

Any raider will tell you that Highlander's involvement in the raider world is limited to commentary and observation. He's a spectator, not an active player in the game. How could he be, if he's controlled a WA delegate nation for over 7 years? And may I say he's done an excellent job in that capacity? The longevity of his term is due to his popularity within his own region, a good security sense, and smart foreign policy. If every region had a delegate like Mikeswill, the invader game would be over before it began.

Also, I don't think a stance against the security council is worth stripping him of his commendation. He has some pretty good points in my opinion, and there's plenty of member nations who agree with him.

I think the Believing and Identifying clauses should be deleted or edited to be more accurate.

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Postby Eist » Mon Oct 31, 2011 8:06 pm

Crushing Our Enemies wrote:Any raider will tell you that Highlander's involvement in the raider world is limited to commentary and observation. He's a spectator, not an active player in the game. How could he be, if he's controlled a WA delegate nation for over 7 years?


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Crushing Our Enemies wrote:And may I say he's done an excellent job in that capacity? The longevity of his term is due to his popularity within his own region, a good security sense, and smart foreign policy. If every region had a delegate like Mikeswill, the invader game would be over before it began.


If every region had a delegate like Mikeswill, then the invader game would be over before it began, because all delegates would be invaders, and invaders don't generally invade other invaders :roll:
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Postby Southern Bellz » Mon Oct 31, 2011 8:33 pm

All I can tell from Highlander's involvement from IDF is the fact that he posts raiding press releases, supports the DEN style of raiding, and hosts raider-based gameplay discussions. How do those things equate to undermining a person who is the key player in one of the few unique regions in the game? In my eyes it doesn't.

I really don't think if he seems 'disagreeable' in the WASC conversations or his stance of the WASC really has any barring on what he has done for this game, which simply put makes it much more interesting. I think it is much harder and much more impressive to do what Mikeswell has done, than any other WASC Commend to date. The fact is, getting recognized for not being good at what you do, but building something unique that exists outside the normal framework of NS politics does not happen often. It did happen with Mikeswill, and his recognition should stand.

Any further claims to his DEN involvement need to be proven, because its rather obvious Mikeswell hasn't raided in 7+ years. As far as deal with the devil people are bringing up, show the proof. Unless everyone is drinking the TITO koolaid, talking to raiders/supporting raiders doesn't undermine what you have done in NS.

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Postby Crushing Our Enemies » Mon Oct 31, 2011 9:46 pm

Mikeswill is NOT an invader. Is he well-liked in the raider community? Yes. Does this have anything to do with the reasons he was originally commended? No.
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Postby Free Noldor States » Mon Oct 31, 2011 9:58 pm

It is good to see that the SC is finally basing their decisions on something as solid as their final decisions. That is to say, nothing believable at all.

I would go through the process of arguing about these so called facts that support the theory that Highlander is a member of the DEN, but I won't bother. We all known what are joke commendations and condemnations are due to the fact they are all run by a group of about three people furthering their own personal goals.. Yeah, I know that's not how the rules are made and that's all the other people fault for nothing making their opinion count, but still, we all understand how meaningless they are. But if it keeps you entertained writing and feeling important, go ahead and continue making them and then repealing them.

If they are or aren't the same nation, I can't say but I bet if we checked every nations login times in this game we would come up with tons of coincidences like these. Is that enough to determine they are the same player behind the computer screen? If you have any other reasons to believe they are the same players then go out and state them. Don't hide behind silly excuses.
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Postby Mikeswill » Mon Oct 31, 2011 10:00 pm

This shall be interesting to watch as I mostly play the game in the field as opposed to the forum politics.

I am flattered by Southern Bellz and Crushing Our Enemies commentary. The opinion remains that a few "players" tend to run the Security Council at their whim and the typical Nation votes off rhetoric. As my first service is to the Region of NationStates, which has kept me the elected delegate based on endorsements for over seven years, (a mark only New Texas can one day match and no other leader of a founderless region will ever surpass), I shall not participate with much frequency in the banter of enemies. I did not ask for the Commendation in the first place. In fact I was rather surprised as Southern Bellz has already stated, as I am not your typical play ball regional leader. However, I was rather flattered and even altered our stance relative to the Security Council to accept the token of popularity emblematic of the Commendation.

Few Nations in the Jennifer Government Land will ever get to experience the trials, challenges, and responsibility that are encompassed in leading the namesake region of the game without the security of Founder powers. From humble beginnings I nurtured the region from the edge of obscurity into one time prominence and present stability. Since November 2003 at least 90% of all the Nations to have resided in NationStates have been personally recruited by me. The amount of work and diligence necessary over these eight years to maintain regional relevance while enormous real life events season by has been mind boggling. No commendation or removal of same can ever replace the personal experiences of this player who still finds the energy, loyalty, and will to maintain a connection to the many thousands of nations past and present that grace these lands.

The facts remain: the game is bigger than The Security Council, Mikeswill will continue to play as he has done since October 28, 2003, and I am incredibly flattered that I am the topic of discussion these next three days! Thank you for keeping The NationStates region relevant!

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Postby Unirot » Mon Oct 31, 2011 10:09 pm

So is your current positions on commendations, nobody should receive commendations or only I, Mikeswill, deserve a commendation? I'm confused.

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Postby Free Noldor States » Mon Oct 31, 2011 10:10 pm

So it is all a big publicity stunt for NationStates, the region?

Oh typical SC behaviour..
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Founded: Mar 05, 2010
Ex-Nation

Postby Seraveean » Mon Oct 31, 2011 10:35 pm

The Holy Empire of Seraveean withdraws its vote on this matter. Despite of previous support we find it to be ridiculous resolution to waste time on. Once again the Security Council fails to live up to its name in our eyes.

Ambassador of His Majesty, the God Emperor Seraphrim
WA Ambassador of His Majesty Seraphrim,
God Emperor of Seraveean

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SunRawr
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Founded: May 30, 2011
Ex-Nation

Postby SunRawr » Mon Oct 31, 2011 10:40 pm

Nice spin on it, but AMOM doesn't do publicity stunts.
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Nazis in Space
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Founded: Aug 24, 2010
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Nazis in Space » Mon Oct 31, 2011 11:21 pm

Considering the kind of obstinate, aggressive, and populist nations who usually get commended by the Security Council, Mikeswill's commendation stands out as one of the few, if not the only, commendation that manages to recognise a nation's achievements outside of the usual circlejerk, its willingness to reach out to usually-disregarded or even despised nations despite being aware of the 'Taint' this causes in the eyes of nations less willing to communicate across all boundaries being a particularly notable sign of maturity that is so frequently lacking in these chambers.

The idea that being 'Democratically Elected' is either desirable or relevant, as implied by the repeal's text, is of course beyond laughable.

If any nation deserves commedation - not the least for their unflinching, dedicated support for their region over more than seven years -, it is Mikeswill, and the Security Council's willingness to ignore these achievements and strike this commendation null and void is, especially in the light of certain other commendations that've made it through over the years - nothing less than a clear indicator of the Security Council's moral bankruptcy. Which, admittedly, ties in nicely with Mikeswill's position on the same, and once again proves Mikeswill right.

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