[DELAYED] Repeal Commend 10000 Islands

[Fotar]

I must say the assumptions that members of raiding groups moving into a new region automatically mean they want to make it a colony are preposterous. In Balder, there are many members from all sides of the spectrum. Those who sympathize with raiders have made many great contributions to the region. It would be a pity to not have them there and Balder would not be going as well as it is without them.

I cannot justify TITO's actions in Osiris as anything but a power grab. Whether or not they felt justified and noble in their intents, they had no more (or less) right to move in than any one else...and they certainly did NOT have the right to remove others.

[Drop Your Pants]

I must say, DYP is my favourite poster on this forum. He always says what needs to be said, he doesn't care what people think when he's right, and he doesn't use massive walls of text to get his point across.

And i get ignored a lot because of it

Well it failed, are we going for another attempt?

[Skyrim Diplomacy]

Eh.....I'll give it bit to see how the events in Osiris play out.

[Drop Your Pants]

Won't pass then either

[A mean old man]

I must say, DYP is my favourite poster on this forum. He always says what needs to be said, he doesn't care what people think when he's right, and he doesn't use massive walls of text to get his point across.

And i get ignored a lot because of it

Huh. Thought I heard something. Oh well, time to get back to writing walls of text.

[New Rogernomics]

And i get ignored a lot because of it

Huh. Thought I heard something. Oh well, time to get back to writing walls of text.

I like writing walls of text, it makes you feel special. Plus this Osiris thing made me write a lot of it.

PS: Can really ramble on about anything for cookies.

[Just Guy]

One thing that Skyrim got right is that we hate Nazi's. I am sorry if Skyrim loves NAZI EUROPE, but guess what, that region is filled with people that want to associate themselves with NAZI's! Nazi's and people that think like that are bad people. Slime of the earth. That is why we have beaten Nazi's on the battlefield and will continue to stand against them every chance we get. So, Skyrim, you may be pro-Nazi, but we definitely are not.

Unofficial warn for trolling. Calling nazis "slime of the earth" is not appropiate.

Interesting ruling. Is this forum-wide, or just SC?

Poor Nazis getting trolled. Feel so much sympathy for the genocidal scum.

Feel free to warn be / ban me / whatever you feel is appropriate.

It seems some types from XKI have taken it upon themselves to spam attack our forums now as well. If we didn't have a reason to repeal this commendation, we certainly do now. Some classy members you have there, TITO.

Bullshit. You've got virtually no evidence. It could be anyone. The fact that you jumped the gun and blamed it on TITO would actually suggest you had a hand in that...

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While I don't especially like TITO's involvement in Osiris, nothing in this resolution merits a repeal of a Commendation given for 7 years of hard work.

What makes you think the invaders needed to be "defeated"? Do you think we're totally incapable of putting that part of us aside in order to run fair elections? (I dunno, much in the way you have). Y'know, our sole purpose of existence isn't to be totally imperialistic jerks (not that that's even part of mine). We -are- able to be a part of a normal regional community. I'm also not gonna argue AMOM hasn't done a good job with the elections - he has - but he's not the only person, and you're not the only people, capable of running fair elections.

Abbey speaks sense, though. As you can see in my own region, TRR -- a sinker, by the way -- Invader involvement in regions isn't necessarily a bad thing. They're fully capable at running a region, just like neutrals or Defenders.

[Sedgistan]

Unofficial warn for trolling. Calling nazis "slime of the earth" is not appropiate.

Interesting ruling. Is this forum-wide, or just SC?

Site:

Trolling: Posts that are made with the aim of angering people. (like 'ALL JEWS ARE [insert vile comment here]' for example).

We have Nazis on this site, as Grub acknowledged with his reference to Nazi Europe. You might not like them, but it doesn't mean you get to troll them - they're as entitled to use this site as you are.

Poor Nazis getting trolled. Feel so much sympathy for the genocidal scum.

Feel free to warn be / ban me / whatever you feel is appropriate.

Sure, *** warned *** for ignoring a mod's instructions and trolling.

[A mean old man]

Trolling: Posts that are made with the aim of angering people. (like 'ALL JEWS ARE [insert vile comment here]' for example).

We have Nazis on this site, as Grub acknowledged with his reference to Nazi Europe. You might not like them, but it doesn't mean you get to troll them - they're as entitled to use this site as you are.

Not trying to stir up trouble; just noting the irony of the specific wording of that quote from the One Stop Rules Shop considering the people it is currently being used to defend. How did Nazis become the subject of attention, again? I thought this conversation was about the commendation of 10000 Islands.

[Skyrim Diplomacy]

Like EW said, Godwin's Law is in full swing here.

[Guy]

Godwin's law? I hadn't even related it to the proposal at hand, nor used it as a way to defend 10ki.

Just a protest.

[Crazy girl]

I think what AMOM is trying to do is to get everyone back on topic. Just like I'm doing now.
Back on topic, everyone.

[New Rogernomics]

I cannot justify TITO's actions in Osiris as anything but a power grab. Whether or not they felt justified and noble in their intents, they had no more (or less) right to move in than any one else...and they certainly did NOT have the right to remove others.

Oh, well I have found my encounters with 10k/TITO intellectually fascinating, I wouldn't be bothered particularly if I hadn't found something unethical about Osiris, from a sovereignty stand point, certainly it is interesting that preemptive action is now part of their military strategy, it certainly collapses their defender ethos*

*There is little difference between a preemptive strike to stop the spreading of an ideology or government system, and an invasion (they have the same result, whether you claim to be liberating or saving a region from unbenign influence). If this was not a security council forum I would go into that further in RL terms.

Edit: Those edits were because I didn't know what emote to use.

[Connopolis]

Come now, there's always a risk, however slight. It would take a miracle on the part of raiders or a tremendous run of bad luck on our part, but it's there. Didn't someone say something in this thread about power and complacency going hand in hand? I wouldn't want to prove them right by thinking us invincible. That's just not smart planning.

Are you implying it's possible for 510+ raiders to seize the delegacy in XKI, compounded with the chance that Grub won't notice/will go inactive? Are there even 510+ active, well-trained raiders?

[Cerberion]

Come now, there's always a risk, however slight. It would take a miracle on the part of raiders or a tremendous run of bad luck on our part, but it's there. Didn't someone say something in this thread about power and complacency going hand in hand? I wouldn't want to prove them right by thinking us invincible. That's just not smart planning.

Are you implying it's possible for 510+ raiders to seize the delegacy in XKI, compounded with the chance that Grub won't notice/will go inactive? Are there even 510+ active, well-trained raiders?

He did say a run of bad luck.

Nobody claims it's likely.

[Ananke II]

Are you implying it's possible for 510+ raiders to seize the delegacy in XKI, compounded with the chance that Grub won't notice/will go inactive? Are there even 510+ active, well-trained raiders?

Well, endorsements swapping can get you pretty high up and raiders did manage to get Grub deleted once, so you never know.

[Drop Your Pants]

If 500 raiders update jumped into XKI would the game crash?

[Flemingovia]

Interesting ruling. Is this forum-wide, or just SC?

Site:

Trolling: Posts that are made with the aim of angering people. (like 'ALL JEWS ARE [insert vile comment here]' for example).

We have Nazis on this site, as Grub acknowledged with his reference to Nazi Europe. You might not like them, but it doesn't mean you get to troll them - they're as entitled to use this site as you are.

Poor Nazis getting trolled. Feel so much sympathy for the genocidal scum.

Feel free to warn be / ban me / whatever you feel is appropriate.

Sure, *** warned *** for ignoring a mod's instructions and trolling.

Did you mean "cite" rather than "site"?

Any chance we can have a list of things it is appropriate to call Nazis? In teh UK politicians have a tradition of using latin where the english is unwelcome. Could we call Nazis "Limo Mundi" rather than "slime of the earth"? "Spumae Genocidii" rather than "genocidal scum"?

[Cerberion]

If 500 raiders update jumped into XKI would the game crash? :blink:

I think the game would sure get a bit bogged down :P

[Sedgistan]

Did you mean "cite" rather than "site"?

No, I meant 'site' as in 'site-wide', my response to the question of whether it was a forum-wide rule or just one for the SC.

Any chance we can have a list of things it is appropriate to call Nazis? In teh UK politicians have a tradition of using latin where the english is unwelcome. Could we call Nazis "Limo Mundi" rather than "slime of the earth"? "Spumae Genocidii" rather than "genocidal scum"?

I'd suggest you read the rules, particularly the sections on trolling and rules lawyers. Once you've done that, see the part about thread hijacking, and refrain from doing so here.

[Ginet]

Sedge is right. While my WA representative would be glad to give his opinion of Nazis (purely IC of course ), this isn't the place for that.

Regarding 10K Islands, while I'm not thrilled with pre-emptive liberations, it does seem that things ended up well enough in Osiris. I'm currently undecided on this proposal.

[The Enigmatic Nation]

Are you implying it's possible for 510+ raiders to seize the delegacy in XKI, compounded with the chance that Grub won't notice/will go inactive? Are there even 510+ active, well-trained raiders?

As Cerberion so thoughtfully pointed out, I did say it would take a miracle or a tremendous run of bad luck for that to happen. To use the old expression the stars would have to align. No one is saying that this is a real possibility right now or even in the foreseeable future. All I am saying is that it pays to be prepared regardless. Though I must admit that seeing 510 nations perform a coordinated jump would be an impressive sight. Watching TITO make a perfectly timed jump has always been my favorite part of a mission.

[Cinistra]

Are you implying it's possible for 510+ raiders to seize the delegacy in XKI, compounded with the chance that Grub won't notice/will go inactive? Are there even 510+ active, well-trained raiders?

Well, endorsements swapping can get you pretty high up and raiders did manage to get Grub deleted once, so you never know.

Ever the paranoid, eh?

[Cerberion]

Well, endorsements swapping can get you pretty high up and raiders did manage to get Grub deleted once, so you never know.

Ever the paranoid, eh?

I'm paranoid. It only takes once to pay off.

[B777LR]

Are you implying it's possible for 510+ raiders to seize the delegacy in XKI, compounded with the chance that Grub won't notice/will go inactive? Are there even 510+ active, well-trained raiders?

Well, endorsements swapping can get you pretty high up and raiders did manage to get Grub deleted once, so you never know.

Now that you mention it Ananke II, that does seem quite possible... Although it is still quite unlikely.