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Postby The Wreaker » Fri Sep 02, 2011 12:14 am

NOTING that Thatcherton was once the Prime Minister and World Assembly Delegate of the peaceful region of The Federation of Kievan Rus.

UNDERSTANDING that the leaders of Thatcherton abused their leadership position within the region to eject and ban almost all nations from the region without provocation, including the founder.

ALSO UNDERSTANDING that Thatcherton then declared that the region's "last ten minutes were more interesting than its next ten weeks", indicating Thatcherton's actions were due to boredom of its leaders.

FURTHER UNDERSTANDING that Thatcherton did this due to its leaders planning to abandon the nation to wither into obscurity, thus absolving it of any responsibility of the destruction of its region.

AWARE that Thatcherton's leaders soon chickened out of abandoning the nation, and Thatcherton went on to join the regions of The Commonwealth of Crowns and The Empire of United Nations.

RECOGNIZING that after Thatcherton's treacherous act, The Federation of Kievan Rus crumbled to dust as no nation dared to come back.

DENOUCING that Thatcherton used a puppet state to create a new The Federation of Kievan Rus, which motto on its World Factbook Entry was "All hail Thatcherton!"

ACKNOWLEDGING that even though the original inhabitants have regained The Federation of Kievan Rus, efforts to restore the region to its former glory have not come to fruition.

ALSO ACKNOWLEDGING that despite The Wreaker's pleas to the regions of The Commonwealth of Crowns and The Empire of United Nations to punish Thatcherton, the regions ignored the pleas and went on to eject and ban the innocent The Wreaker while sheltering Thatcherton.

REALIZING that Thatcherton was the chief culprit in the destruction and stagnation of The Federation of Kievan Rus, and proper punishment should be given.

CONCLUDING that Thatcherton is a region destroyer and HEREBY CONDEMNS Thatcherton.


Fellow nations, I stand before you now to ask you to condemn the very, very, very bad nation of Thatcherton.

The matter is very simple. Thatcherton ejected and banned almost everyone from my region. This led to my region's population dwindling to one from fourteen, and eventually to zero. Have no doubt about it that this was the underlying factor in my region's demise. It started off a chain-reaction, and Thatcherton is to blame for causing it. Thatcherton then refounded my region after it ceased to exist. He would not let my region off. He stamped on its grave and flew the flag of Thatcherton high. What sacrilege and insult to my region!

I wish to punish Thatcherton for this. That is all I ask, for you all to punish him. But every one of you that votes AGAINST, it is obvious that you do not wish for Thatcherton to be punished this way. And it is very likely that every one of you voting AGAINST will end up not trying to punish Thatcherton at all. You might not like or support his actions, but you are letting him go scot free. He is a region destroyer, he did this to my region, and you are letting him go scot free.

Everyone arguing against me, I ask you, what do you want? I want justice for Thatcherton, and how about you? What do you want to do? What are your motives? Why do you wish to stop me? I am doing this legimately through the WA. I never attacked Thatcherton's other regions. I'm doing this the right way. It seems to me that everyone arguing against me is just blocking justice. You claim that this is a small incident. But this is still a small amount of justice. I want it dispensed.

Punish him. Carry out justice. That is all I ask.



EVIDENCE 1: Thatcherton bans almost everyone, leaving himself and the Wreaker in the region. He did not ban the Wreaker because he wanted to mock him. The Wreaker realizes that Thatcherton has banned his WA endorsements as well and will soon no longer be delegate. But then Thatcherton reveals that he was going to leave NationStates.

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EVIDENCE 2: Later, after the FKR died, Thatcherton refounded it and claimed "All hail Thatcherton". "That Not Herc" is an exact anagram / rearrangement of letters of "Thatcherton".
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EVIDENCE 3: From NS Dossier, Thatcherton banned almost everyone between June 17 and 22. Look, he was delegate on June 17, and we had 14 nations. When he banned everyone, only 1 nation came back by June 22. By that time, he is not delegate any more. Another piece of proof.

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Postby Ballotonia » Fri Sep 02, 2011 5:06 am

The term "scoundrel" strikes me as not applicable to nations, and thus in danger of being in violation of Rule 4.

'Intending to leave the game' could be phrased as something like announcing ones own nation will be left to wither into oblivion. It is illegal to refer to the game as being a game, as that would not be "SC-IC".

And, it is impossible to attach images to a proposal.

More importantly, the whole thing reads as a regional skirmish. Sorry for the (former) natives, but if one trusts a Delegate with ejection powers they can do bad things. Blame the prior Founder for enabling regional controls in the first place. Blame all natives for not beating the nominee to the refounding.

My suggestion is to let it be and move on.

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Postby Mahaj » Fri Sep 02, 2011 7:43 pm

I really dislike the precedent set by not condemning, so i'm willing to help you work on this.
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Postby Black Marne » Fri Sep 02, 2011 8:26 pm

The Wreaker wrote:ALSO ACKNOWLEDGING that despite The Wreaker's pleas to the regions of The Commonwealth of Crowns and The Empire of United Nations to punish Thatcherton, the regions ignored the pleas and went on to eject and ban the innocent The Wreaker while sheltering the scoundrel Thatcherton.


This should not be included. What other regions did for the nation proposed to be condemned is unrelated. Also, against.

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Postby The Wreaker » Sat Sep 03, 2011 12:50 am

Ballotonia wrote:The term "scoundrel" strikes me as not applicable to nations, and thus in danger of being in violation of Rule 4.

'Intending to leave the game' could be phrased as something like announcing ones own nation will be left to wither into oblivion. It is illegal to refer to the game as being a game, as that would not be "SC-IC".

And, it is impossible to attach images to a proposal.

More importantly, the whole thing reads as a regional skirmish. Sorry for the (former) natives, but if one trusts a Delegate with ejection powers they can do bad things. Blame the prior Founder for enabling regional controls in the first place. Blame all natives for not beating the nominee to the refounding.

My suggestion is to let it be and move on.

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Thank you for your comments.
I have removed "the scoundrel".
I have phrased leaving the game as "leaving the MultiVerse", is that okay?
Such a pity that my image and proof cannot be uploaded.
My region thought Thatcherton was good. But he betrayed us. He deserves to be Condemned.

Mahaj wrote:I really dislike the precedent set by not condemning, so i'm willing to help you work on this.


Thank you, thank you! How would you improve my proposal?

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The Wreaker wrote:ALSO ACKNOWLEDGING that despite The Wreaker's pleas to the regions of The Commonwealth of Crowns and The Empire of United Nations to punish Thatcherton, the regions ignored the pleas and went on to eject and ban the innocent The Wreaker while sheltering the scoundrel Thatcherton.


This should not be included. What other regions did for the nation proposed to be condemned is unrelated. Also, against.

-The Allied States of Black Marne


Why is this unrelated? This is to prove that Thatcherton has not been punished whatsoever,

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Postby Warzone Codger » Sat Sep 03, 2011 1:05 am

For.

I don't know what it's about, but it's vaguely related to the part of the world I'm slightly irritated by atm, and everything that causes even more drama in the clusterborg of regions (Like the other proposal as much) is a good thing.
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Postby Sedgistan » Sat Sep 03, 2011 6:54 am

The Wreaker wrote:UNDERSTANDING that Thatcherton abused his leadership position within the region to eject and ban almost everyone from the region without provocation, including the founder.

"His" = personal pronoun, violates Rule 4. "Everyone" runs into the same problem - it refers to people, not nations.

ALSO UNDERSTANDING that Thatcherton then declared that the region's "last ten minutes were more interesting than its next ten weeks", indicating Thatcherton's actions were due to boredom.

You're going to have to replace the word boredom there. It doesn't fit with nation-simulation language.

FURTHER UNDERSTANDING that Thatcherton did this due to its leaders planning to leave the region and the MultiVerse, thus absolving it of any responsibility of the destruction of its region.

A nation can't 'leave the Multiverse' - try Ballo's earlier suggestion.

RECOGNIZING that after Thatcherton's treacherous act, The Federation of Kievan Rus crumbled to dust as nobody dared to come back.

"Nobody" needs changing.

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Postby Tim-Opolis » Sat Sep 03, 2011 9:04 am

AGAINST

It only affects your region. And what doesnt affect me, I don't care about
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Postby Thatcherton » Sat Sep 03, 2011 9:59 am

Such a silly proposal which is why when you have annoyed latere regions I went to they ejected you! It was turning into a raiding region. The Wreaker has set up a region to keep track of me and actively seeks nations to annoy me!

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Postby Crumlark » Sat Sep 03, 2011 11:36 am

If only I was in the council, i would be for this, but, since i am not, this is what ill do for you

1.Ill spread the word about his devious acts
2.I will do my best to properly inform his region of his past actions
and 3. I suggest just letting it go
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Postby Mahaj » Sat Sep 03, 2011 11:39 am

the region seems to have been refounded now, though.
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Postby San Monteriano » Sat Sep 03, 2011 11:49 am

This proposal is totally irrelevant. This nation has only affected the FKR and does not affect the WA population whatsoever. This is a personal rivalry you have with Thatch' and it should be dealt in the same way. This was also four months ago, too, and I believe that only a handful of nations still care about this, including yourself. You should just move on instead of dwelling about it. The CoC is having a trial against Thatch', so there is absolutely no need for this; check our RMB. Please handle this with professionalism rather than acting like a child and running to the metaphorical "mummy" regarding this problem. I am sure you will be able to testify against Thatch' if needed. Also, the CoC wants to trial Wiendonia.
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Postby Wiendonia » Sat Sep 03, 2011 5:09 pm

I will offer assistance to the FKR as re-payment for un-intentionally stressing their region.
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Postby The Wreaker » Sat Sep 03, 2011 8:28 pm

Sedgistan wrote:suggestions.

Thank you! I have edited the proposal.

Thatcherton wrote:Such a silly proposal which is why when you have annoyed latere regions I went to they ejected you! It was turning into a raiding region. The Wreaker has set up a region to keep track of me and actively seeks nations to annoy me!


Liar! The regions which sheltered you are corrupt. The FKR was a peaceful region. I seek to condemn you because YOU ARE A REGION DESTROYER.

San Monteriano wrote:This proposal is totally irrelevant. This nation has only affected the FKR and does not affect the WA population whatsoever. This is a personal rivalry you have with Thatch' and it should be dealt in the same way. This was also four months ago, too, and I believe that only a handful of nations still care about this, including yourself. You should just move on instead of dwelling about it. The CoC is having a trial against Thatch', so there is absolutely no need for this; check our RMB. Please handle this with professionalism rather than acting like a child and running to the metaphorical "mummy" regarding this problem. I am sure you will be able to testify against Thatch' if needed. Also, the CoC wants to trial Wiendonia.


Move on? Wait until your region is destroyed. The CoC's trial of Thatcherton is a sham. You're all in it together. You all ignored all the evidence that I presented. Go away!

Mahaj wrote:the region seems to have been refounded now, though.


But Mahaj, we have to totally start anew, and we are not doing well. Our efforts are now directed at condemning Thatcherton. Thatcherton set my region months back by destroying it and refounding it. He still refuses to apologise and lies that we were a raiding region. He must be condemned!
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Postby Black Marne » Sat Sep 03, 2011 10:33 pm

The Wreaker wrote:
Black Marne wrote:
This should not be included. What other regions did for the nation proposed to be condemned is unrelated. Also, against.

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Why is this unrelated? This is to prove that Thatcherton has not been punished whatsoever,


Because, esteemed ambassador, condemnations are generally what damage a nation has inflicted upon a region, not whether or not other regions have sheltered it.

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Postby San Monteriano » Sun Sep 04, 2011 1:41 am

The Wreaker wrote:
Sedgistan wrote:suggestions.

Thank you! I have edited the proposal.

Thatcherton wrote:Such a silly proposal which is why when you have annoyed latere regions I went to they ejected you! It was turning into a raiding region. The Wreaker has set up a region to keep track of me and actively seeks nations to annoy me!


Liar! The regions which sheltered you are corrupt. The FKR was a peaceful region. I seek to condemn you because YOU ARE A REGION DESTROYER.

San Monteriano wrote:This proposal is totally irrelevant. This nation has only affected the FKR and does not affect the WA population whatsoever. This is a personal rivalry you have with Thatch' and it should be dealt in the same way. This was also four months ago, too, and I believe that only a handful of nations still care about this, including yourself. You should just move on instead of dwelling about it. The CoC is having a trial against Thatch', so there is absolutely no need for this; check our RMB. Please handle this with professionalism rather than acting like a child and running to the metaphorical "mummy" regarding this problem. I am sure you will be able to testify against Thatch' if needed. Also, the CoC wants to trial Wiendonia.


Move on? Wait until your region is destroyed. The CoC's trial of Thatcherton is a sham. You're all in it together. You all ignored all the evidence that I presented. Go away!

Mahaj wrote:the region seems to have been refounded now, though.


But Mahaj, we have to totally start anew, and we are not doing well. Our efforts are now directed at condemning Thatcherton. Thatcherton set my region months back by destroying it and refounding it. He still refuses to apologise and lies that we were a raiding region. He must be condemned!


Is that a threat? The CoC doesn't respond well to threats, Wreaker, and insulting us isn't going to make us any more sympathetic for you. The GDF is already pressuring the CoC to extradite Thatcherton, our new Vice Chairman (which may have been an ill-advised appointment due to the current foreign charges and controversy) for a trial. Personally, I support a trial, since it is the only way to prove Thatcherton innocent, or if you are indeed correct, guilty. Nonetheless, such a verdict will not affect his standing in the Commonwealth and will only apply to foreign regions, since he hasn't damaged our region whatsoever.

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Postby The Wreaker » Sun Sep 04, 2011 6:45 am

San Monteriano wrote:
The Wreaker wrote:Thank you! I have edited the proposal.



Liar! The regions which sheltered you are corrupt. The FKR was a peaceful region. I seek to condemn you because YOU ARE A REGION DESTROYER.



Move on? Wait until your region is destroyed. The CoC's trial of Thatcherton is a sham. You're all in it together. You all ignored all the evidence that I presented. Go away!



But Mahaj, we have to totally start anew, and we are not doing well. Our efforts are now directed at condemning Thatcherton. Thatcherton set my region months back by destroying it and refounding it. He still refuses to apologise and lies that we were a raiding region. He must be condemned!


Is that a threat? The CoC doesn't respond well to threats, Wreaker, and insulting us isn't going to make us any more sympathetic for you. The GDF is already pressuring the CoC to extradite Thatcherton, our new Vice Chairman (which may have been an ill-advised appointment due to the current foreign charges and controversy) for a trial. Personally, I support a trial, since it is the only way to prove Thatcherton innocent, or if you are indeed correct, guilty. Nonetheless, such a verdict will not affect his standing in the Commonwealth and will only apply to foreign regions, since he hasn't damaged our region whatsoever.

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There is a threat - but it does not come from me or the FKR. The threat is Thatcherton, just you wait until he destroys your region like he destroyed mine.

He murdered my region, killed it. You're going to wait until he murders your region to punish him? It will be far too late then.

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Postby Osthia » Mon Sep 05, 2011 4:04 pm

And what about your defamatory content against Thatcherton on your world factbook? According to moderation, posting defamatory (hurting the reputation of) a nation on your world factbook is against the rules. The Commonwealth of Crowns if giving him a fair trial, but it send your idea of fair is you being judge, jury, and executioner.

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Postby Opaloka » Wed Sep 07, 2011 12:47 pm

So a delegate expells people including founder. Founder returns & bans or banjects culprit no? This q a waste of time!
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Postby San Monteriano » Thu Sep 08, 2011 1:07 am

Osthia wrote:And what about your defamatory content against Thatcherton on your world factbook? According to moderation, posting defamatory (hurting the reputation of) a nation on your world factbook is against the rules. The Commonwealth of Crowns if giving him a fair trial, but it send your idea of fair is you being judge, jury, and executioner.


This ^
Many people only think trials are unfair because they do not make the decisions.
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Postby Warzone Codger » Thu Sep 08, 2011 5:38 am

How the heck did this get to quorum? I mean I supported this since their...associates (they -that group of people whatever side they're form- are all the same to me) are spreading to the warzones and turning my mind to mush.

But really? The world cares about this?
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Postby The Wreaker » Thu Sep 08, 2011 6:39 am

Never underestimate the motivations of justice... Clearly NS wishes to punish this bad person.
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Postby Sedgistan » Thu Sep 08, 2011 6:47 am

Don't refer to other users of this site as scum.

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Postby The Wreaker » Thu Sep 08, 2011 7:10 am

Sedgistan wrote:Don't refer to other users of this site as scum.


Very well then. Can I call him a scoundrel? If not I'd stick to "very very very bad person".

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Postby Ballotonia » Thu Sep 08, 2011 8:21 am

The Wreaker wrote:
Sedgistan wrote:Don't refer to other users of this site as scum.


Very well then. Can I call him a scoundrel? If not I'd stick to "very very very bad person".


Since Thatcherton is a nation, how about "very bad nation" ? Talking about the person behind the nation has a rather high risk of descending into flaming.

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